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Journalists Who Won't Give Up (Mary Mapes, etc)
The Washington Post ^ | 11/21/05 | Howard Kurtz

Posted on 11/21/2005 7:28:47 AM PST by steve-b

...Mary Mapes, the CBS producer fired over the journalistic fiasco involving President Bush's National Guard service, is the latest in a line of lonely crusaders, defending her work more than a year after it was widely discredited. Dan Rather may have apologized for the story, an independent panel may have denounced it and CBS News may have criticized her "disregard for journalistic standards," but Mapes argues in her new book that the critics are either politically motivated, cowardly or just plain wrong.

In challenging those who have questioned her work -- including The Washington Post and this reporter, who is cited in the book for a triple-bylined news story recounting the mess -- Mapes displays the relentless qualities that all good diggers share. But she also opens herself up to the charge that her obsession has clouded her judgment....

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonpost.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: forgeries; forgery; killian; kurtz; mapes; memogate; rather; rathergate; rathergatekillian

1 posted on 11/21/2005 7:28:49 AM PST by steve-b
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To: steve-b
........lonely crusaders

Awwwwww poor Mary.
2 posted on 11/21/2005 7:30:39 AM PST by yobid (What we have here is a failure to communicate)
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To: steve-b
OMG...Stop already, you crazy b!tch.
3 posted on 11/21/2005 7:32:28 AM PST by Psycho_Bunny (Base. All Yours = Mine.)
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To: steve-b

Liberal is as stupid does.

She is definitely stuck on stupid (liberal). She thinks she is head and shoulders smarter than the unwashed masses and that we are so stupid we will not be able to discern or see the truth.


4 posted on 11/21/2005 7:34:40 AM PST by right right
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To: steve-b
Dear Mary,

With all due respect: No one believes you any more. You lost all your credibility long ago. And your boss, Danny boy, didn't even have the testicular fortitude to stand up for you. You are like a child caught with her hand in the cookie jar, protesting loudly to the family that you were never even in the same room as the cookie jar. No one believes you.

5 posted on 11/21/2005 7:38:23 AM PST by theDentist (The Dems have put all their eggs in one basket-case: Howard "Belltower" Dean.)
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To: yobid

We won't forget either....


6 posted on 11/21/2005 7:39:19 AM PST by ONETWOONE (onetwoone)
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To: ONETWOONE

I saw O'Reilly interview Mapes last week on The Factor. She displayed the same "angry-to-the-point-of-mental-illness" demeanor seen in Orca Moore.


7 posted on 11/21/2005 7:45:45 AM PST by RooRoobird14 (I thank God every day for President George W. Bush)
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To: All

I took a trip to Amazon. The hardcover 24.95 has been marked down to 16.47.

The reviews are hilarious.


8 posted on 11/21/2005 7:52:48 AM PST by GOP_Proud (Dims:Scooter threw sand in the ump's eyes...waaaaaa...we was robbed!)
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To: steve-b

I always thought that the burden of proof was on Mapes.


9 posted on 11/21/2005 7:54:27 AM PST by BeHoldAPaleHorse (MORE COWBELL! MORE COWBELL! (CLANK-CLANK-CLANK))
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To: steve-b

The latter part of the column is the most interesting. Mary Mapes has destroyed herself and is obviously washed up, but the Republican establishment is about to crumble into dust because crusty-old-militaristic-marine Murtha is riding to the rescue.

I don't think so.

As for Mapes, Kurtz writes: "Mapes is right that the purported 30-year-old memos by Bush's long-dead squadron commander have not been proven to be forgeries."

No, Howie. They have not been legally proven to be forgeries, because for the usual reasons no prosecutor has pursued Mapes, Rather, and CBS for the crime of pushing a forgery on the public to influence a presidential election.

But anyone who doubts for a minute that these documents are forgeries simply hasn't looked at the evidence.


10 posted on 11/21/2005 7:59:30 AM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: RooRoobird14

I saw the BOR interview, too. It was incredible how she insisted that she didn't know if she was a democrat or an independent, and didn't know which party she was registered under. I almost started feeling sorry for her, she was so pathetic, but then I came to my senses--a woman like this deserves no sympathy.


11 posted on 11/21/2005 8:17:23 AM PST by randog (What the....?!)
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To: RooRoobird14
saw O'Reilly interview Mapes last week on The Factor. She displayed the same "angry-to-the-point-of-mental-illness" demeanor seen in Orca Moore.

I heard her on WIBC this morning. There are times, she said, when she just needs a hug. ***sniff, sniff**

12 posted on 11/21/2005 8:19:45 AM PST by Samwise (The media is "stuck on stupid.")
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To: steve-b

The next time she appears on TV the host should play the into to the Twilight zone!


13 posted on 11/21/2005 8:23:10 AM PST by truemiester (If the U.S. should fail, a veil of darkness will come over the Earth for a thousand years)
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To: theDentist
Dear Mary:
You spent 20 frigging years of your career at CBS trying to stick an untrue National Guard service story on George W. Bush. You didn't get it done.
Good bye !
14 posted on 11/21/2005 8:31:13 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

I just don't understand why a traitorous, felonious, MSM lackey for Dan ("I'm crazy, and proud of it!") Rather gets the title of Journalist.

No way is she, or ever has she been, a Journalist. Just another hack writer for the anti-American left.


15 posted on 11/21/2005 8:35:15 AM PST by Judith Anne (Thank you St. Jude for favors granted.)
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To: truemiester
The next time she appears on TV the host should play the into to the Twilight zone!

Nah -- the Looney Toons theme would be more apropos.

16 posted on 11/21/2005 8:41:02 AM PST by steve-b (A desire not to butt into other people's business is eighty percent of all human wisdom)
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To: Cicero
No, Howie. They have not been legally proven to be forgeries,

If I were on a jury with the evidentary standard to be beyond a reasonable doubt, I would convict. Any doubt that Mapes raises that the documents are not forgeries is not reasonable by any standard.

17 posted on 11/21/2005 8:43:44 AM PST by dirtboy (Drool overflowed my buffer...)
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To: Psycho_Bunny

LOL!


18 posted on 11/21/2005 8:44:43 AM PST by Howlin ("Victory is not an exit strategy." ``Jack Murtha 11/18/05)
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To: steve-b

When people who think they're Gods are doubted by mere mortals, it's hard for them to let go...


19 posted on 11/21/2005 8:46:42 AM PST by GOPJ (Frenchmen should ask immigrants "Do you want to be Frenchmen?" not, "Will you work cheap?")
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To: dirtboy

I agree. The problem is that nobody wanted to bring it to trial.

Frankly, it's time to take on the MSM frontally. Much of what they do is actually criminal, and I fail to see why they should have a special license in the name of freedom of the press to commit literal crimes.

I've read all that stuff about special $10,000 typewriters. I am certain that a case could be made to a jury that those typewriters could not have made those documents, and that the Texas Air National Guard had no such typewriters at their disposal, and in fact that the officer in question didn't type.

They are indeed forgeries, beyond a reasonable doubt. And it could also be proved beyond a reasonable doubt that the experts said they were probably fake, but CBS went ahead with them anyway. And it can further be proved that when Dan Rather said the experts confirmed their genuineness, he was telling an outright lie.


20 posted on 11/21/2005 8:52:39 AM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: GOPJ

Its the Planet of the Mapes.


21 posted on 11/21/2005 8:53:25 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: BeHoldAPaleHorse
I always thought that the burden of proof was on Mapes.

No no no! The burden of proof is on you, the critic! Mary says so in numerous interviews.

Someone ought to publish an investigative report on how monkeys fly out of Mary Mapes' butt, or how she has fairy godparents, or how she comes from a line of demon spawn, and then challenge people to dispove it in the same way she challenges us (after all, the monkeys only fly out when nobody's looking!).

22 posted on 11/21/2005 8:53:46 AM PST by COBOL2Java (The Katrina Media never gets anything right, so why should I believe them?)
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To: steve-b
Mapes is right that the purported 30-year-old memos by Bush's long-dead squadron commander have not been proven to be forgeries

Below is forged CBS document overlayed by Microsoft Word in default mode......courtesy Little Green Footballs..

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....you go girl...

23 posted on 11/21/2005 9:06:48 AM PST by Donald Rumsfeld Fan ("Memos on Bush Are Fake but Accurate". NYTimes)
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To: Cicero
But anyone who doubts for a minute that these documents are forgeries simply hasn't looked at the evidence.

You got that right. Here it is again, for those who never saw it or need a reminder:


This is the Mapes memo forgery, superimposed with the output of Charles Johnson's Word 2004 program. Identical to the millimeter, except for some artificial "aging".

A large reward has been offered to anybody who can do this using any typewriter or typesetting machine available in 1972. Nobody has claimed it, and nobody ever will.

What's more, even if you lay aside the type face question, content analysis shows more holes in this memo than you can shake a stick at. Most conspicuously, the abbreviations and layout are Army National Guard, not Air Force. Bill Burkett, take a bow.

CBS, Dan Rather, and Mary Mapes used forged military documents in an attempt to stage a coup d'état. Never forget that. In a just world, they would face a firing squad.

-ccm

24 posted on 11/21/2005 9:13:22 AM PST by ccmay
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To: steve-b
Kurtz claims:

Mapes is right that the purported 30-year-old memos by Bush's long-dead squadron commander have not been proven to be forgeries

Yup. As long as you don't define what proof is, nothing is ever proven. So it's only of passing interest that Killian's secretary thinks the documents are forgeries and says that there was no proportional spacing typewriter in their offices. Same for the reality that certain facts in the memos are wrong and that some of the terms used were Army rather than Air Force terms. It's a minor point for people like Mapes that the stylistic elements were wrong for the Air Natl Guard. Or that Joseph Newcomer, someone who actually knows what he is talking about, has to this to say:

The probability that any technology in existence in 1972 would be capable of producing a document that is nearly pixel-compatible with Microsoft’s Times New Roman font and the formatting of Microsoft Word, and that such technology was in casual use at the Texas Air National Guard, is so vanishingly small as to be indistinguishable from zero.

BTW, his full analysis is here:

http://www.flounder.com/bush2.htm

After all, he's just another blogger to people like Mapes and Kurtz.

25 posted on 11/21/2005 10:51:18 AM PST by freespirited
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To: steve-b

>>Mapes is right that the purported 30-year-old memos by Bush's long-dead squadron commander have not been proven to be forgeries<<

Huh?

Yes, they have, Howie.


26 posted on 11/21/2005 10:57:43 AM PST by 1L
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To: steve-b
Howie, Howie, Howie,

I always enjoy it whenever one of you lefties produce a bit of "Mad Mary Mapes" bashing, even though you are only doing it so that you can later say "look here, we are fair and balanced too!".

Of course, I am never surprised that you will transition all such articles into full-up Bush Bashing by the time you reach the article's end.
27 posted on 11/21/2005 1:29:02 PM PST by Col Freeper
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To: steve-b
Mapes is right that the purported 30-year-old memos by Bush's long-dead squadron commander have not been proven to be forgeries...

Wanna bet!? What sort of standard of proof do these clowns operate on? The near-perfect way in which the memos are duplicated by the default settings in Microsoft Word, and the fact that specialized superscripts were not then easily available (if at all) proved to me, and I think most here, that these were out and out frauds.

28 posted on 11/21/2005 1:37:14 PM PST by PeoplesRepublicOfWashington (Dream Ticket: Cheney/Rice '08)
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To: steve-b

29 posted on 11/24/2005 12:02:43 AM PST by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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