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City refutes worst U.S. crime ranking [Camden]
UPI ^ | 11/21/2005

Posted on 11/21/2005 9:02:00 AM PST by ncountylee

CAMDEN, N.J., Nov. 21 (UPI) -- City officials in Camden, N.J., are taking the offensive against a Kansas statistical firm that ranks Camden as the most dangerous city in the United States.

Monday, the Morgan Quitno firm released its annual ranking of dangerous cities based on six types of crime, and for the second year, Camden was first in the country among 354 cities.

The study analyzed the occurrence rates of murder, rape, aggravated assault, robbery, burglary and motor vehicle theft.

However, local officials told the Camden Courier-Post the latest rankings use figures from 2004, and overlook improvements made in 2005.

"Last year is old news. The ranking is not an appropriate measure of where we stand today," said Camden County Prosecutor Vincent Sarubbi.

Camden Chief Operating Officer Randy Primas said the Marriott hotel chain backed out of plans to build a hotel downtown after last year's ranking was announced.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; Politics/Elections; US: New Jersey
KEYWORDS: camden; camdencounty; moosesisterbadthings; newjersey; nj; njsp; toilet
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1 posted on 11/21/2005 9:02:01 AM PST by ncountylee
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To: ncountylee

Camden, I can't spell. LOL


2 posted on 11/21/2005 9:03:04 AM PST by ncountylee (Dead terrorists smell like victory)
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To: ncountylee

"The ranking is not an appropriate measure of where we stand today,"

They're right.

It's probably WORSE!


3 posted on 11/21/2005 9:03:56 AM PST by Bigh4u2 (Denial is the first requirement to be a liberal)
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To: ncountylee

New Jersey and you . . .


4 posted on 11/21/2005 9:05:38 AM PST by LdSentinal
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To: ncountylee
It is an absolute travesty that the U.S.S. New Jersey is docked in that hell-hole called Camden...


5 posted on 11/21/2005 9:08:32 AM PST by frogjerk (LIBERALISM - Being miserable for no good reason)
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To: ncountylee

Camden is boasting that their murder rate has significantly reduced over the past year, by as much as 40%. Wow! Previously there was, on average, one murder per week. Somehow, though, I would feel strange boasting that the city now has only one murder every other week.

Strangely, Camden and Newark are two of the poorest cities in the nation, while Hunterdon, Sussex, and Monmouth counties (all in NJ) are among the wealthiest counties in the nation.


6 posted on 11/21/2005 9:09:50 AM PST by rit (NJ tourism slogan: Are you really sure you want to do this?)
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To: LdSentinal

NJ must be getting to be more and more of a toilet. Sorry. ;) But with McGreevey, then Corzine as governors, and LOUSE-enberg getting re-elected to the US Senate, it's obvious a majority of people who vote there are morons.


7 posted on 11/21/2005 9:09:56 AM PST by TNCMAXQ
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To: TNCMAXQ

Yup. Ever notice which political party usually governs these crappy cities? Heck, even Fallujah is safer than Camden.


8 posted on 11/21/2005 9:12:30 AM PST by LdSentinal
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To: frogjerk

You're right.....the area surrounding the Camden tourist area (opposite Philadelphia) is one of the filthiest tourist areas I have ever seen in America.


9 posted on 11/21/2005 9:13:25 AM PST by indcons ("Not all muslims are terrorists; however, all terrorists today are muslims." - George Fernandez)
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To: ncountylee

I've been to Oakland, Cincinnati, S.E. Washington D.C., the Bronx, Atlanta, Miami, North Philadelphia, and several other hell holes, and Camden is by far the worst place I've ever been.  Tijuana is nicer than Camden.  If there's a worse city than Camden, I don't want to know about it.

Owl_Eagle

(If what I just wrote makes you sad or angry,

 it was probably sarcasm)

10 posted on 11/21/2005 9:14:43 AM PST by South Hawthorne (In Memory of my Dear Friend Henry Lee II)
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To: rit
Strangely, Camden and Newark are two of the poorest bluest cities in the nation, while Hunterdon, Sussex, and Monmouth counties (all in NJ) are among the wealthiest red counties in the nation.

I'm wondering if there is any truth to the red/blue thing... Inquiring minds want to know.

11 posted on 11/21/2005 9:18:21 AM PST by CommandoFrank (Peer into the depths of hell and there you will find the face of Islam...)
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To: LdSentinal

I would LOVE to see that thug mayor of Newark defeated in the primary next year by Cory Booker, the guy whose campaign was chronicled by PBS. The Demo machine used what we might call "gestapo tactics" to stop Booker and it was downright criminal. I suspect voters there aren't wise enough to throw out the incumbent though. Then they wonder why their city remains such a sewer.


12 posted on 11/21/2005 9:18:59 AM PST by TNCMAXQ
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To: Owl_Eagle

"I've been to Oakland, Cincinnati, S.E. Washington D.C., the Bronx...."

You've been everywhere man, you've been everywhere... (Sung in the voice of Johhny Cash). :)


13 posted on 11/21/2005 9:19:15 AM PST by Pessimist
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To: TNCMAXQ
NJ must be getting to be more and more of a toilet.

Camden and Newark are not all of New Jersey. There are many great areas of New Jersey that are holding out from the influence of the corruption in Trenton. This is why many in the NYC area are moving to these pockets of decency...

14 posted on 11/21/2005 9:19:50 AM PST by frogjerk (LIBERALISM - Being miserable for no good reason)
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To: ncountylee
Wonder if God has been deported from Camden to the bible belt yet..
Is P. Diddy teaching science in Camden yet.?. or ethics even.?.
Satan is certainly frog marching San Fransisco to Queerdom..

Well, Isn't that special?.(Lily Tomlin as Ernestine doing the Church Lady)..

15 posted on 11/21/2005 9:22:26 AM PST by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole..)
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To: ncountylee

Many people (not me) expect a Hillary Clinton - Rudy Giuliani matchup. Well, here's an interesting tidbit for the 2008 election:

New York City is the 4th safest city in America.
Little Rock is among the 20 most dangerous metropolitan areas (#14).
In fact, FOUR Arkansas areas are. The other three are Pine Bluff (#11), Hot Springs (#9), and West Memphis (Memphis Metropolitan Area, #3).


16 posted on 11/21/2005 9:24:31 AM PST by dangus
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To: ncountylee

http://www.breitbart.com/news/2005/11/21/D8E0LBTO4.html

Safest and Most Dangerous Cities in U.S.
Nov 21 12:06 AM US/Eastern

By The Associated Press
Following are the safest and most dangerous cities with populations over 75,000, according to Morgan Quitno Press.



Safest Cities:

1. Newton, Mass.

2. Clarkstown, N.Y.

3. Amherst, N.Y.

4. Mission Viejo, Calif.

5. Brick Township, N.J.

6. Troy, Mich.

7. Thousand Oaks, Calif.

8. Round Rock, Texas

9. Lake Forest, Calif.

10. Cary, N.C.

Most Dangerous Cities:

1. Camden, N.J.

2. Detroit

3. St. Louis

4. Flint, Mich.

5. Richmond, Va.

6. Baltimore

7. Atlanta

8. New Orleans

9. Gary, Ind.

10. Birmingham, Ala.

____

Source: Morgan Quitno Press


17 posted on 11/21/2005 9:25:51 AM PST by Cat loving Texan
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To: Cat loving Texan

St Louis is number 3! Woo-Hoo! I'd better start locking my door at night!


18 posted on 11/21/2005 9:27:38 AM PST by TravisBickle (The War on Terror: Win It There or Fight It Here)
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To: frogjerk
There are many great areas of New Jersey that are holding out from the influence of the corruption in Trenton. This is why many in the NYC area are moving to these pockets of decency...

Jersey city has undergone a fairly amazing revitalization.

19 posted on 11/21/2005 9:27:39 AM PST by rit (NJ is pretty much broke, said Corzine after he and Forrester spent over $73M on the election.)
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To: Cat loving Texan

My city is # 1 but I still lock my doors at night.

I can't imagine what I'd do if I lived in Camden.


20 posted on 11/21/2005 9:30:20 AM PST by Mears (The Killer Queen)
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To: ncountylee

I think their last mayor or city manager is under indictment for some kind of graft, too -- just in case anyone had any illusions about Camden.


21 posted on 11/21/2005 9:30:37 AM PST by Alberta's Child (What it all boils down to is that no one's really got it figured out just yet.)
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To: Cat loving Texan

Gary, Indiana, Gary Indiana, Gary, Indiana,
Let me say it once again.
Gary, Indiana, Gary, Indiana, Gary, Indiana,
That's the town that "knew me when."

If you'd like to have a logical explanation
How I happened on this elegant syncopation,
I will say without a moment of hesitation
There is just one place
That can light my face.
Gary, Indiana,
Gary Indiana,

Not Louisiana, Paris, France, New York, or Rome,
but Gary, Indiana,
Gary, Indiana,
Gary Indiana,
My home sweet home.


22 posted on 11/21/2005 9:30:50 AM PST by cowtowney
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To: ncountylee

I think you can put New Orleans now as one of the safest cities in America.


23 posted on 11/21/2005 9:32:40 AM PST by LdSentinal
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To: TNCMAXQ
Oddly enough, Camden used to be a heck of a lot worse. Crime is down in the city over the last 25 years mainly because more and more of the city's buildings have been razed or burned to the ground over that time.

There are parts of Newark that have undergone a similar "renaissaince" over that period of time.

24 posted on 11/21/2005 9:32:44 AM PST by Alberta's Child (What it all boils down to is that no one's really got it figured out just yet.)
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To: indcons
the Camden tourist area

That's pretty funny.

25 posted on 11/21/2005 9:34:14 AM PST by bkepley
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To: bkepley

LOL....I guess that was a wrong choice of words.

The Camden aquarium is actually quite nice.....pity it is located on the other side of Philly.


26 posted on 11/21/2005 9:36:19 AM PST by indcons ("Not all muslims are terrorists; however, all terrorists today are muslims." - George Fernandez)
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To: bkepley
Camden indeed has a substantial tourist area, a waterfront opposite Philadelphia which includes the Battleship New Jersey, Aquarium, Riversharks baseball, marina, and upscale condos, to name a few. Been there many times for perfectly fine events. Cooper hospital also has fine doctors and is spreading out to the suburbs.

The rest of Camden is poor and luckily small, you can be out of Camden and into perfectly nice surrounding communities in a matter of minutes.

27 posted on 11/21/2005 9:38:53 AM PST by Williams
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To: frogjerk
More idiotic hell hole talk. Camden is an American city, and I have visited the New Jersey many times. It's here for the entire region and we're damn proud of it.

I guess you want the New Jersey docked off New York or San Francisco? Even putting aside the fact that it's the New Jersey, do you really prefer those anti-military cities?

28 posted on 11/21/2005 9:42:29 AM PST by Williams
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To: indcons

Didn't they close the Camden aquarium when the moose ran away?


29 posted on 11/21/2005 9:44:12 AM PST by LdSentinal
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To: Cat loving Texan

Hmm, something is similar about the crime-ridden cities...can't quite put my finger on it...


30 posted on 11/21/2005 9:44:59 AM PST by Aznar5
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To: ncountylee

Camden's incidences of murder, rape, aggravated assault, robbery, burglary and motor vehicle theft are all metaphorical and should not be taken out of context.


31 posted on 11/21/2005 9:45:31 AM PST by Fester Chugabrew
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To: ncountylee

On the one hand, a 40% reduction in crime is very significant, especially if this occurs in temporal association with major overhauls in law enforcement (since that suggests that there is a substantial reason for the reduction, not just a fluke). On the other hand, such bounces are not rare, and impartiality requires a "just the facts" sort of approach to such rankings since they AREN'T rare; if they aren't outliers, who is to say when an asterisk is deserved?

So, no, I don't think an asterisk is reasonable. On the other hand, I do believe that Morgan Quitno might have noted the reduction in crime in subsequent press dealings: The news stories are obviously going to look at a declaration that "Trenton, NJ repeats as most dangerous" as a lede, and if it's a misleading lede, Morgan Quitno can prevent that misinformation.


32 posted on 11/21/2005 9:50:43 AM PST by dangus
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To: LdSentinal

>> Didn't they close the Camden aquarium when the moose ran away? <<

It didn't run away; they claimed insufficient funds and they let it loose. Talk about reckless behavior from government officials; Hungry moose can be dangerous! My sister is contemplating a lawsuit.


33 posted on 11/21/2005 9:52:49 AM PST by dangus
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To: TravisBickle
You and I both know why STL is on that list and ranked so high.
34 posted on 11/21/2005 9:54:13 AM PST by Mulch (tm)
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To: Cat loving Texan

Go for broke! Here's the entire list:


OVERALL: (369 cities)
SAFEST 25: MOST DANGEROUS 25:
1 Newton, MA 1 Camden, NJ
2 Clarkstown, NY 2 Detroit, MI
3 Amherst, NY 3 St. Louis, MO
4 Mission Viejo, CA 4 Flint, MI
5 Brick Twnshp, NJ 5 Richmond, VA
6 Troy, MI 6 Baltimore, MD
7 Thousand Oaks, CA 7 Atlanta, GA
8 Round Rock, TX 8 New Orleans, LA
9 Lake Forest, CA 9 Gary, IN
10 Cary, NC 10 Birmingham, AL
11 Colonie, NY 11 Richmond, CA
12 Fargo, ND 12 Cleveland, OH
13 Irvine, CA 13 Washington, DC
14 Orem, UT 14 West Palm Beach, FL
15 Dover Twnshp, NJ 15 Compton, CA
16 Warwick, RI 16 Memphis, TN
17 Sunnyvale, CA 17 Dayton, OH
18 Hamilton Twnshp, NJ 18 San Bernardino, CA
19 Parma, OH 19 Springfield, MA
20 Canton Twnshp, MI 20 Cincinnati, OH
21 Greece, NY 21 Oakland, CA
22 Simi Valley, CA 22 Dallas, TX
23 Coral Springs, FL 23 Newark, NJ
24 Port St. Lucie, FL 24 Hartford, CT
25 Centennial, CO 25 Little Rock, AR


CITIES OF 500,000 OR MORE POPULATION: (32 cities)
Safest 10: Most Dangerous 10:
1 San Jose, CA 1 Detroit, MI
2 El Paso, TX 2 Baltimore, MD
3 Honolulu, HI 3 Washington, DC
4 New York, NY 4 Memphis, TN
5 Austin, TX 5 Dallas, TX
6 San Diego, CA 6 Philadelphia, PA
7 Louisville, KY 7 Columbus, OH
8 San Antonio, TX 8 Nashville, TN
9 Fort Worth, TX 9 Houston, TX
10 Jacksonville, FL 10 Charlotte, NC

CITIES OF 100,000 TO 499,999 POPULATION: (208 cities)
Safest 10: Most Dangerous 10:
1 Amherst, NY 1 St. Louis, MO
2 Thousand Oaks, CA 2 Flint, MI
3 Cary, NC 3 Richmond, VA
4 Irvine, CA 4 Atlanta, GA
5 Sunnyvale, CA 5 New Orleans, LA
6 Simi Valley, CA 6 Gary, IN
7 Coral Springs, FL 7 Birmingham, AL
8 Port St. Lucie, FL 8 Richmond, CA
9 Glendale, CA 9 Cleveland, OH
10 Provo, UT 10 Dayton, OH

CITIES OF 75,000 TO 99,999 POPULATION: (129 cities)
Safest 10: Most Dangerous 10:
1 Newton, MA 1 Camden, NJ
2 Clarkstown, NY 2 West Palm Beach, FL
3 Mission Viejo, CA 3 Compton, CA
4 Brick Twnshp, NJ 4 Trenton, NJ
5 Troy, MI 5 Reading, PA
6 Round Rock, TX 6 Canton, OH
7 Lake Forest, CA 7 Youngstown, OH
8 Colonie, NY 8 Miami Beach, FL
9 Fargo, ND 9 North Charleston, SC
10 Orem, UT 10 Macon, GA*


OVERALL (330 METROPOLITAN AREAS):
Safest 25: Most Dangerous 25:
1 Logan, UT-ID 1 Detroit-Livonia-Dearborn, MI M.D.
2 Fond du Lac, WI 2 New Orleans, LA
3 Glens Falls, NY 3 Memphis, TN-MS-AR
4 Appleton, WI 4 Sumter, SC
5 Sheboygan, WI 5 Miami-Dade County, FL M.D.
6 Columbus, IN 6 Stockton, CA
7 La Crosse, WI-MN 7 Las Vegas-Paradise, NV
8 Oshkosh-Neenah, WI 8 Florence, SC
9 Bangor, ME 9 Hot Springs, AR
10 Bismarck, ND 10 Myrtle Beach, SC
11 Eau Claire, WI 11 Pine Bluff, AR
12 State College, PA 12 Flint, MI
13 Binghamton, NY 13 Saginaw, MI
14 Wausau, WI 14 Little Rock, AR
15 Fargo, ND-MN 15 Tucson, AZ
16 Nassau-Suffolk, NY M.D. 16 Modesto, CA
17 Portland, ME 17 Albuquerque, NM
18 Rockingham County, NH M.D. 18 Jackson, TN
19 Edison, NJ M.D. 19 Charlotte-Gastonia-Concord, NC-SC
20 Williamsport, PA 20 Baltimore-Towson, MD
21 Owensboro, KY 21 Wichita Falls, TX
22 Elizabethtown, KY 22 Houston, TX
23 Jefferson City, MO 23 Phoenix-Mesa-Scottsdale, AZ
24 Harrisonburg, VA 24 Tallahassee, FL
25 Rochester, MN 25 Los Angeles County, CA M.D.


35 posted on 11/21/2005 9:58:22 AM PST by dangus
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To: LdSentinal
Didn't they close the Camden aquarium when the moose ran away?

I am not aware of this story....sounds fascinating. Do you have a link or some background information?
36 posted on 11/21/2005 10:02:15 AM PST by indcons ("Not all muslims are terrorists; however, all terrorists today are muslims." - George Fernandez)
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To: ncountylee

Fox News is covering this story RIGHT NOW.


37 posted on 11/21/2005 10:02:48 AM PST by indcons ("Not all muslims are terrorists; however, all terrorists today are muslims." - George Fernandez)
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To: indcons

/s. My bad.


38 posted on 11/21/2005 10:02:59 AM PST by LdSentinal
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To: All

Oops....that was WABC Radio.


39 posted on 11/21/2005 10:03:35 AM PST by indcons ("Not all muslims are terrorists; however, all terrorists today are muslims." - George Fernandez)
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To: LdSentinal
/s. My bad.

Not really......the fact that something so bizarre can be attributed to Camden (even if it is sarcasm) speaks volumes about that city.
40 posted on 11/21/2005 10:05:20 AM PST by indcons ("Not all muslims are terrorists; however, all terrorists today are muslims." - George Fernandez)
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To: LdSentinal

I've been in Newark for an extended stay (2 weeks) on a project and all the horror stories are justified. One cabbie took us on a shortcut to the hotel and I literally thought that was the end.

Every parking lot has 20 ft high fences PLUS razor wire around it.

I saw another story based on this data and some dim bulbs from Camden claiming that 'people moved out just because a serial rapist was operating in the area' (!) and one person who said 'I don't hear that many gunshots at night' (!!!).


41 posted on 11/21/2005 10:11:39 AM PST by relictele (How can Hillary run the country when she couldn't manage a household of 3?)
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To: rit
Strangely, Camden and Newark are two of the poorest cities in the nation, while Hunterdon, Sussex, and Monmouth counties (all in NJ) are among the wealthiest counties in the nation.

Ayn Rand says, "Crime breeds poverty".

42 posted on 11/21/2005 10:13:16 AM PST by eddie willers
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To: ncountylee

"Last year is old news. The ranking is not an appropriate measure of where we stand today," said Camden County Prosecutor Vincent Sarubbi."

I can see Camden across the Delaware River from where I sit and it is as close as I care to get.


43 posted on 11/21/2005 10:19:59 AM PST by WmCraven_Wk
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To: Mulch

Of course, if they divided the city into North St Louis and South St Louis, we could be in the Top Ten in both lists.


44 posted on 11/21/2005 10:40:36 AM PST by TravisBickle (The War on Terror: Win It There or Fight It Here)
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To: Williams
How about Bayonne Military Ocean Terminal, Liberty State Park in Jersey City or the Earle Naval Pier in Leonardo. I believe those are much better and safer areas.

I believe the reason that the USS New Jersey is docked in Camden is because that is where the Political RATs are centered in NJ and it was a political favor to the local corrupt politician...

45 posted on 11/21/2005 11:27:54 AM PST by frogjerk (LIBERALISM - Being miserable for no good reason)
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To: nutmeg

Congrats again to the "Garden State."


46 posted on 11/21/2005 11:37:30 AM PST by stanz (Those who don't believe in evolution should go jump off the flat edge of the Earth.)
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To: frogjerk

Morristown comes to mind. I went there and understood why NJ calls itself "The Garden State." It was beautiful!


47 posted on 11/21/2005 11:40:02 AM PST by Little Ray (I'm a reactionary, hirsute, gun-owning, knuckle dragging, Christian Neanderthal and proud of it!)
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To: Cat loving Texan

Atlanta is #7 - which is why I live in Cumming, GA and seldom venture inside the Perimeter (I285).


48 posted on 11/21/2005 11:42:18 AM PST by Little Ray (I'm a reactionary, hirsute, gun-owning, knuckle dragging, Christian Neanderthal and proud of it!)
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To: TravisBickle

Yup


49 posted on 11/21/2005 12:07:52 PM PST by Mulch (tm)
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To: frogjerk

So what, I live here too and I'm a republican. BTW do you know anything about New Jersey? The Earle Naval station is a weapons depot and warship reloading facility built extending out to sea, which is extremely off limits for security and safety reasons. An odd place for a ship museum open to the public, eh?


50 posted on 11/21/2005 3:25:24 PM PST by Williams
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