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Murtha Says Americans Back Iraq Pullout
Breitbart.com ^ | 11-21-2005 | DAN LOVERING

Posted on 11/21/2005 9:24:07 AM PST by Reagan Man

U.S. Rep. John Murtha, a key Democrat on military issues, on Monday defended his call to pull U.S. troops from Iraq, saying he was reflecting Americans' sentiment.

"The public turned against this war before I said it," Murtha said. "The public is emotionally tied into finding a solution to this thing, and that's what I hope this administration is going to find out."

Murtha, 73, a decorated Vietnam veteran and the ranking Democrat on the House Appropriations defense subcommittee, said he has received support from the public since calling for the troop pullout on Thursday. He said he has gotten e-mails from World War II veterans and parents of American soldiers in Iraq.

Murtha noted that his great-grandfather served in the Civil War, his father and three uncles in World War II, and that he and his brothers were Marines. Murtha said western Pennsylvania, where his district is located, is a "hotbed of patriotism and they've lost confidence in this effort."

He said Iraqis must take control of their own destiny.

"We cannot win this militarily. Our tactics themselves keep us from winning," Murtha said at a scheduled news conference after a speech to a civic group in his hometown of Johnstown, about 60 miles east of Pittsburgh.

House Republicans on Friday pushed for a vote on a nonbinding resolution to pull out the troops after Murtha's comments. It was rejected 403-3, but Democrats said the quick call for the vote was a political stunt designed to undermine Murtha's comments.

"The guys in Congress are scared to death to say anything because they might be vilified," Murtha said. "The soldiers can't speak for themselves. We sent them to war and, by God, we're the ones that have to speak out."

Murtha said he was unmoved by criticism he's received from President Bush, others in Congress and the public.

U.S. Rep. Jean Schmidt, R-Ohio, spoke on the House floor Friday about a phone call she got from a Marine colonel who said, "cowards cut and run, Marines never do." Asked about it, Murtha called the comment ridiculous.

"You can't spin this. You've got to have a real solution," Murtha said. "This is not a war of words, this is a war."

Aware that his comments last week would draw fire from conservatives, Murtha said he specifically asked more liberal members of his party not to step forward to support him.

"I didn't want (the public) to think this was a Democrat position plotted from the left wing," Murtha said.

Murtha expressed confidence that terrorist bombings in Iraq would cease once U.S. troops were gone and Iraqis became solely responsible for their destiny.

"Absolutely, we're the target. We're the enemy," Murtha said. "(The Iraqis) are a proud people, they've been around a lot longer than we have. They've going to win this themselves, they're going to settle this themselves. They have to, there's no alternative."

Murtha said he believes President Bush needs to realize how citizens feel about the war.

"All of us want to support the president when he's at war," Murtha said "But you can't support him when he won't change directions, won't listen."


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 109th; cutandrun; iraq; murtha; pollsoniraq; runaway
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To: Reagan Man

Read the tagline Murtha. Then go eat a salad, fatso.


51 posted on 11/21/2005 9:51:47 AM PST by BadAndy (Note to Democrats: Benedict Arnold also called himself a patriot.)
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To: Reagan Man
A lot of Americans supported the Crown back in 1776. A lot of Americans didn't want to fight in the Civil War - Lincoln nearly didn't elected in his second term.

Foreign policy can't be dictated by popular whim which changes from day to day, but but by informed, intelligent, determined and frequently hard decisions, or we will wind up like the Athenians in the Peloppensian War.
52 posted on 11/21/2005 9:54:15 AM PST by ZULU (Fear the government which fears your guns. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: Reagan Man

This should have been accompanied with a "Murtha-Off-His-Meds" Alert.


53 posted on 11/21/2005 9:56:31 AM PST by DustyMoment (FloriDUH - proud inventors of pregnant/hanging chads and judicide!!)
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To: Reagan Man
Murtha Says Americans Back Iraq Pullout

Well, duh. 100% of Americans back an Iraq pullout --when the time is right. Including President Bush.

I saw a poll last week that showed 70+% of Americans REJECT an immediate pullout of troops from Iraq.

So I don't know what polls Murtha's talking about. Sounds like he's conflating, deliberately, the ones that ask about general approval of the war, vs. those that ask when pullout is appropriate.

54 posted on 11/21/2005 9:56:47 AM PST by shhrubbery! (Max Boot: Joe Wilson has sold more whoppers than Burger King)
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To: Uddercha0s

There are a lot of ways to spell it! And say it, I reckon.

My "second home" was not too far from Johnstown...Central City...ever hear of it? Not many have.

mmmm pirohi...[however you spell it!]


55 posted on 11/21/2005 9:58:28 AM PST by Adder (Can we bring back stoning again? Please?)
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To: Reagan Man
Methinks Murtha is in deep, deep legal do do with his kickback schemes from defense contractors. He is seeking preparedness to yell he is being persecuted when the house of cards collapses around his sorry arse.

They just missed him in the Abscam sting, but his brother's lobbying efforts with Murtha's pressure on companies to funnel cash to said brother, is about to break loose.
56 posted on 11/21/2005 10:00:16 AM PST by Ursus arctos horribilis ("It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees!" Emiliano Zapata 1879-1919)
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To: stuartcr
Your logic is not clear.

I do not recall a "vote" by each colonist to go war against Great Britain.

Nor do I recall a vote by the citizens of the nation to go to war against Nazi Germany and Totalitarian Japan.

You seem to be one of those people who conveniently forget we were attacked on 9/11/01 and many previous times before that.

The Iraq front is a CAMPAIGN OF A GREATER WAR.

Should the citizens of this nation have voted on the Italian front in WWII, how about the Normandy front or the Island Hopping strategy.

Iraq is a military front line just as Afghanistan is.

We elect Presidents for one significant purpose. To defend the nation. That is what a Presidents job is to do. Not blow with the wind, but defend the nation.

Sheesh

57 posted on 11/21/2005 10:03:14 AM PST by A message
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To: adgirl

Battle of The Bulge, over 16,000 Americans died in six weeks of combat.


58 posted on 11/21/2005 10:05:31 AM PST by Ursus arctos horribilis ("It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees!" Emiliano Zapata 1879-1919)
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To: Reagan Man

Ho can he be so sure and yet not have enough courage in his conviction to vote for his own idea.

Is there anybody up there on the Hill that knows what the hell they are doing?


59 posted on 11/21/2005 10:06:01 AM PST by sgtbono2002
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To: Ursus arctos horribilis

Oh, is that the case? Links?

I just bet you will turn out to be correct.


60 posted on 11/21/2005 10:06:16 AM PST by Republican Wildcat
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To: Reagan Man

61 posted on 11/21/2005 10:06:48 AM PST by NCjim (The more I use Windows, the more I love UNIX)
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To: Reagan Man

Is he a leader or follower?


62 posted on 11/21/2005 10:07:32 AM PST by Parmy
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To: Reagan Man

he's got one part right.. "We cannot win this militarily. Our tactics themselves keep us from winning."
if we were to actually go out and truly be allowed to fight, we could make this end very quickly, but the pansies with "D"'s by their name bring us up short, as does the MSM. not to mention our devout adherance to military codes of conduct, that our enemies don't follow.


63 posted on 11/21/2005 10:10:59 AM PST by absolootezer0 ("My God, why have you forsaken us.. no wait, its the liberals that have forsaken you... my bad")
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To: Reagan Man
"The public turned against this war before I said it," Murtha said.

The DU public, perhaps.

64 posted on 11/21/2005 10:11:24 AM PST by b4its2late (GITMO is way too nice of a place to house low life terrorists.)
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To: A message

You are correct, citizens never get to vote on wars. Neither the citizens of Britain or the Colonies, neither the citizens of Germany, Japan, or the Muslim countries, or any of the Allies.

The people that actually do the fighting, never get much of a sayso, when it comes to wars.


65 posted on 11/21/2005 10:12:05 AM PST by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to.....otherwise, things would be different.)
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To: Reagan Man

REAL Americans think Murtha is a drunken Rat pu$$y.


66 posted on 11/21/2005 10:15:46 AM PST by clee1 (We use 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 2 to pull a trigger. I'm lazy and I'm tired of smiling.)
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To: Reagan Man

>>>"We cannot win this militarily. Our tactics themselves keep us from winning,">>>

Way to keep up the moral COLONEL. Colonel Jerk more like it!


67 posted on 11/21/2005 10:16:18 AM PST by sandbar
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To: sandbar

I especially am offended that he called our military "the enemy".....doddering, senile old fool.


68 posted on 11/21/2005 10:18:33 AM PST by Jrabbit (Kaufman County, Texas)
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To: Reagan Man
"I didn't want (the public) to think this was a Democrat position plotted from the left wing," Murtha said.

Unfortunately for him and his Party, the 'Pubs figured out a way to expose the truth on Friday.

69 posted on 11/21/2005 10:19:44 AM PST by You Dirty Rats (I Love Free Republic!)
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To: stuartcr
Ok. fair enough.

Lets go win this thing.

The way to end this as soon as possible is to be united against the terrorists. Call them what they are, terrorists.
Kill them because of what they are, terrorists, murderers, evil.

Terrorism only works against the weak willed.

We must be strong, we can not afford to Murtha.

And then we can get our men and women home in VICTORY against terrorists, murderers, evil.
70 posted on 11/21/2005 10:19:45 AM PST by A message
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To: Jaxter


From the LA Times article "Democrats' War Opposition Not a United Front " (of all places):


"Many Democratic political strategists and foreign policy analysts have long believed the party can benefit more from criticizing Bush's handling of the war than from specifying an alternative."

71 posted on 11/21/2005 10:22:10 AM PST by Zacs Mom (Proud wife of a Marine! ... and purveyor of "rampant, unedited dialogue")
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To: Reagan Man

"I didn't want (the public) to think this was a Democrat position plotted from the left wing," Murtha said."


Of course we don't think that.


72 posted on 11/21/2005 10:27:25 AM PST by mlc9852
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To: Republican Wildcat

Read the entire "The Hill" article, very interesting.

http://www.hillnews.com/thehill/export/TheHill/News/Frontpage/101805/spending.html

"But Murtha also has raised some watchdogs’ concerns because his brother Robert “Kit” Murtha runs KSA Consulting, a lobbying group that represents some 10 smaller defense companies. In 2004, Murtha’s brother was able to secure $20 million in the defense-spending bill for his clients. Kit Murtha repeatedly has denied working directly with his brother’s office"

http://blogcritics.org/archives/2005/11/19/095435.php

"Republican lawmakers say that ties between Rep. John Murtha (D-PA) and his brother's lobbying firm, KSA Consulting, may warrant investigation by the House ethics committee...
According to a June 13 article in the Los Angeles Times, the fiscal 2005 defense appropriations bill included more than $20 million in funding for at least 10 companies for whom KSA lobbied. Carmen Scialabba, a longtime Murtha aide, works at KSA as well.


KSA directly lobbied Murtha's office on behalf of seven companies, and a Murtha aide told a defense contractor that it should retain KSA to represent it, according to the LA Times.

In early 2004, Murtha reportedly leaned on U.S. Navy officials to sign a contract to transfer the Hunters Point Shipyard to the city of San Francisco, according to the San Francisco Chronicle. A company called Lennar Inc. had right to the land, and Laurence Pelosi, nephew to House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-CA), was an executive with the firm at that time.

Murtha also inserted earmarks in defense bills that steered millions of dollars in federal research funds toward companies owned by children of fellow Pennsylvania Rep. Paul Kanjorski (D). .."

http://rawstory.com/news/2005/GOP_calls_for_ethics_investigation_into_1118.html

http://dailydelay.blogspot.com/2005_06_01_dailydelay_archive.html

http://corner.nationalreview.com/05_11_13_corner-archive.asp

http://www.thepoliticalchase.com/


http://blogs.aol.fr/demorpion/R-Actions

"The chairman of the Defense Appropriations subcommittee at the time, Rep. John Murtha (D-Pa.), had been caught in the FBI's ABSCAM sting operation in which an agent disguised as a Saudi sheik offered members of Congress large cash bribes. O'Neill put Wilson on the Ethics Committee to save Murtha, which he did."


73 posted on 11/21/2005 10:31:07 AM PST by Ursus arctos horribilis ("It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees!" Emiliano Zapata 1879-1919)
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To: savedbygrace
And on the talk shows he talks about how many calls and emails of support he's received. No mention of those not supporting him, though, and from these threads I imagine there have been quite a few. Maybe he's having an affair with Pelosi!
74 posted on 11/21/2005 10:33:08 AM PST by mlc9852
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To: A message

I honestly do not believe that we can wipe terrorism from the planet. I think there will always be those that commit random acts of violence.


75 posted on 11/21/2005 10:35:24 AM PST by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to.....otherwise, things would be different.)
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To: kellynla
time to retire and go fishin'...

He was once my congressman, and he should have done that about 25 years ago!

76 posted on 11/21/2005 10:35:48 AM PST by appleharvey
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To: Reagan Man

77 posted on 11/21/2005 10:38:40 AM PST by cartoonistx
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To: Ursus arctos horribilis

Good stuff. Thanks.


78 posted on 11/21/2005 10:38:51 AM PST by Republican Wildcat
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To: Reagan Man

put a sock in it, Mr. Murtha.


79 posted on 11/21/2005 10:39:38 AM PST by Ciexyz (Let us always remember, the Lord is in control.)
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To: absolootezer0
"You can't spin this. You've got to have a real solution," Murtha said. "This is not a war of words, this is a war." "

There is a kinetic war going on that we ARE winning. Militarily the terrorist are incapable of mounting attacks even at the platoon size level. The other war, the information war, is being fought every day in the press and now in congress. That war can be lost if the Democrats and their allies can convince enough people that we are losing the Kinetic war or, at least as Murtha says that we cannot win.

The game is on and the real analogy to Vietnamese is not the tactical quagmire but rather whether or not the political opportunist in the Democratic party can, once again, undermine the will of the American people and force a withdrawal, make it the fault of Bush as they did with Nixon and have a few more years of power. I hope the American people will not be fooled this time...
80 posted on 11/21/2005 10:39:39 AM PST by RedEyeJack
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To: JamesP81

I do not believe they will have fought for nothing. Their job is to obey the orders of their Commander-in-chief, which they all have done willingly.


81 posted on 11/21/2005 10:40:23 AM PST by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to.....otherwise, things would be different.)
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To: stuartcr
No, we will never be able to wipe evilness from the face of the earth. We are after all only humans.

But we can defend the Nation and make it clear that attacks upon us will be dealt with severely.

Deterrence does go along way against terrorists. After all terrorists in reality are cowards. Too cowardly to fight a stand up battle. Too cowardly to face reality when they choose to blow themselves up with others. Too cowardly to go on living when they commit suicide.

Only cowards can not face tomorrow and only cowards will find a way to justify killing themselves.
82 posted on 11/21/2005 10:45:43 AM PST by A message
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To: appleharvey

Every time one of these Lefties opens their mouth I thank God we have freedom of speech in America...
makes it easier to spot the idiots! LOL

compare what the Lefties were saying Friday night to what Cheney said today and it just doesn't seem fair! :-]


83 posted on 11/21/2005 10:48:34 AM PST by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1st Battalion,5th Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Div. Viet Nam 69&70 Semper Fi)
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To: SE Mom

You can word any poll to get the results you want. Most people (about 55%) think a pre-mature pullout from Iraq would be a mistake. Don't listen to polls, esp. the ones touted by the MSM. They are misleading and designed to erode morale. The only polls that count are in November of even-numbered years.


84 posted on 11/21/2005 10:50:04 AM PST by attiladhun2 (evolution has both deified and degraded humanity)
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To: Dems_R_Losers

You are correct and I could not have summed up Murtha's comments and our leaders inability to communicate/educate the public better.


85 posted on 11/21/2005 10:51:03 AM PST by Cathy
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To: RedEyeJack

i can agree that we are "winning" but i don't see a true victory with our current tactics. mostly because even if we won a resounding victory, MSM would undermine it.
you can't truly win a military victory if the MSM refuses to report a victory. part of military tactics needs to include a co-operative media that will report successes and help de-moralise enemy combatants.


86 posted on 11/21/2005 10:52:27 AM PST by absolootezer0 ("My God, why have you forsaken us.. no wait, its the liberals that have forsaken you... my bad")
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To: Reagan Man

He's spent to much time surfing DU....


87 posted on 11/21/2005 10:53:07 AM PST by kjam22
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To: moonman

Someone on the Drudge thread last night suggested "Simper Flee!" is more apt for Murtha.


88 posted on 11/21/2005 11:07:53 AM PST by JennysCool (Non-Y2K-Compliant)
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To: Mr Ramsbotham

Wasn't it an premature pullout that got the dna on the blue dress?


89 posted on 11/21/2005 11:15:51 AM PST by USS Alaska (Nuke the terrorist savages - In Honor of Standing Wolf)
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To: Reagan Man

Liar. I don't care where or how long you served, Lee Harvey Oswald was also a Marine.


90 posted on 11/21/2005 11:19:33 AM PST by Joseph_CutlerUSA (New blogspot at "http://yankeestation.blogspot.com". Mostly military and political affairs.)
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To: absolootezer0
"you can't truly win a military victory if the MSM refuses to report a victory"

Again, the war on the ground, the kinetic war, is not in danger of being lost... any time the terrorist stand and fight, mostly to defend their caches of weapons and explosives, we fix them in place and destroy them with supporting arms or, when necessary, close combat. They will fight, but autopsies on their casualties are reported to show a high incidence of narcotic use indicating that they get some of their courage from a needle...

The war you worry about, what is reported in the press, is the information war. When Secretary Rumsfield tried to set up a DoD agency to manage this war the Democrats accused him of trying to establish a propaganda office to "manage" the news. The press picked it up and the idea was dropped. The need continues. We need to fight the information war offensively and not defensively which is what we have been doing... Maybe someone will read this and get the message... who knows... seems pretty clear to me but I only stayed in a Holiday Inn last night...
91 posted on 11/21/2005 11:32:49 AM PST by RedEyeJack
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To: Adder

Haha right you are! I just couldn't help myself from taking a jab. Now you bring "reckon" into the situation! LOL!

I can't say I've heard of Central City. All this talk has made me decide what I want for dinner! I'm going to have to dig thru the freezer and see if I don't have a dozen or so potato pirohi left (not none of the Mrs Paul's stuff but made by little bubas at church)


93 posted on 11/21/2005 12:03:37 PM PST by Uddercha0s
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To: martin_fierro; xsmommy; Adder; Uddercha0s
Go have another peroghie....n-kay?
;-) spell it right it's pirohi! (j/k)
mmmm pirohi...[however you spell it!]

Hey yinz guys! Lookit da hicks!
Caneven spell "pierogi" 'nat...
LOL! Prolly eat 'em with sketty sauze like ravioli too... LOL!!!

94 posted on 11/21/2005 12:06:47 PM PST by Willie Green (Go Pat Go!!!)
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To: Reagan Man

Not enough money in this war for Murtha's brother... Is that it Mr. Murtha?


http://www.livejournal.com/~mparent7777/103785.html


95 posted on 11/21/2005 2:33:29 PM PST by eleni121 ('Thou hast conquered, O Galilean!' (Julian the Apostate))
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To: Reagan Man

The congressman from Pennsylvania is a Murtha Focker


96 posted on 11/21/2005 2:39:36 PM PST by msnimje (Bob Woodward is the Grinch who stole Fitzmas.....................................................)
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To: Willie Green

LOL

Nope...boiled and served with onions and a little butter or oil, sour cream, salt and pepper
Or fried in butter and savored with sour cream and lots of salt and pepper.

A real heart stopper on a plate....


97 posted on 11/22/2005 2:48:35 AM PST by Adder (Can we bring back stoning again? Please?)
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To: Reagan Man
U.S. Rep. John Murtha, a key Democrat on military issues, on Monday defended his call to pull U.S. troops from Iraq, saying he was reflecting Americans' sentiment.

This is a lie. If it were true the dems would have climbed over each other to vote yea to get the troops out expecting to be embraced by the American people...but they voted nay...they know the truth...Americans don't want to leave a critical job undone. Americans don't want the party of "cut and run".

98 posted on 11/22/2005 2:50:40 AM PST by highlander_UW (I don't know what my future holds, but I know Who holds my future)
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