Skip to comments.Murtha Says Americans Back Iraq Pullout
Posted on 11/21/2005 9:24:07 AM PST by Reagan Man
U.S. Rep. John Murtha, a key Democrat on military issues, on Monday defended his call to pull U.S. troops from Iraq, saying he was reflecting Americans' sentiment.
"The public turned against this war before I said it," Murtha said. "The public is emotionally tied into finding a solution to this thing, and that's what I hope this administration is going to find out."
Murtha, 73, a decorated Vietnam veteran and the ranking Democrat on the House Appropriations defense subcommittee, said he has received support from the public since calling for the troop pullout on Thursday. He said he has gotten e-mails from World War II veterans and parents of American soldiers in Iraq.
Murtha noted that his great-grandfather served in the Civil War, his father and three uncles in World War II, and that he and his brothers were Marines. Murtha said western Pennsylvania, where his district is located, is a "hotbed of patriotism and they've lost confidence in this effort."
He said Iraqis must take control of their own destiny.
"We cannot win this militarily. Our tactics themselves keep us from winning," Murtha said at a scheduled news conference after a speech to a civic group in his hometown of Johnstown, about 60 miles east of Pittsburgh.
House Republicans on Friday pushed for a vote on a nonbinding resolution to pull out the troops after Murtha's comments. It was rejected 403-3, but Democrats said the quick call for the vote was a political stunt designed to undermine Murtha's comments.
"The guys in Congress are scared to death to say anything because they might be vilified," Murtha said. "The soldiers can't speak for themselves. We sent them to war and, by God, we're the ones that have to speak out."
Murtha said he was unmoved by criticism he's received from President Bush, others in Congress and the public.
U.S. Rep. Jean Schmidt, R-Ohio, spoke on the House floor Friday about a phone call she got from a Marine colonel who said, "cowards cut and run, Marines never do." Asked about it, Murtha called the comment ridiculous.
"You can't spin this. You've got to have a real solution," Murtha said. "This is not a war of words, this is a war."
Aware that his comments last week would draw fire from conservatives, Murtha said he specifically asked more liberal members of his party not to step forward to support him.
"I didn't want (the public) to think this was a Democrat position plotted from the left wing," Murtha said.
Murtha expressed confidence that terrorist bombings in Iraq would cease once U.S. troops were gone and Iraqis became solely responsible for their destiny.
"Absolutely, we're the target. We're the enemy," Murtha said. "(The Iraqis) are a proud people, they've been around a lot longer than we have. They've going to win this themselves, they're going to settle this themselves. They have to, there's no alternative."
Murtha said he believes President Bush needs to realize how citizens feel about the war.
"All of us want to support the president when he's at war," Murtha said "But you can't support him when he won't change directions, won't listen."
Read the tagline Murtha. Then go eat a salad, fatso.
This should have been accompanied with a "Murtha-Off-His-Meds" Alert.
Well, duh. 100% of Americans back an Iraq pullout --when the time is right. Including President Bush.
I saw a poll last week that showed 70+% of Americans REJECT an immediate pullout of troops from Iraq.
So I don't know what polls Murtha's talking about. Sounds like he's conflating, deliberately, the ones that ask about general approval of the war, vs. those that ask when pullout is appropriate.
There are a lot of ways to spell it! And say it, I reckon.
My "second home" was not too far from Johnstown...Central City...ever hear of it? Not many have.
mmmm pirohi...[however you spell it!]
Battle of The Bulge, over 16,000 Americans died in six weeks of combat.
Ho can he be so sure and yet not have enough courage in his conviction to vote for his own idea.
Is there anybody up there on the Hill that knows what the hell they are doing?
Oh, is that the case? Links?
I just bet you will turn out to be correct.
Is he a leader or follower?
he's got one part right.. "We cannot win this militarily. Our tactics themselves keep us from winning."
if we were to actually go out and truly be allowed to fight, we could make this end very quickly, but the pansies with "D"'s by their name bring us up short, as does the MSM. not to mention our devout adherance to military codes of conduct, that our enemies don't follow.
The DU public, perhaps.
You are correct, citizens never get to vote on wars. Neither the citizens of Britain or the Colonies, neither the citizens of Germany, Japan, or the Muslim countries, or any of the Allies.
The people that actually do the fighting, never get much of a sayso, when it comes to wars.
REAL Americans think Murtha is a drunken Rat pu$$y.
>>>"We cannot win this militarily. Our tactics themselves keep us from winning,">>>
Way to keep up the moral COLONEL. Colonel Jerk more like it!
I especially am offended that he called our military "the enemy".....doddering, senile old fool.
Unfortunately for him and his Party, the 'Pubs figured out a way to expose the truth on Friday.
"Many Democratic political strategists and foreign policy analysts have long believed the party can benefit more from criticizing Bush's handling of the war than from specifying an alternative."
"I didn't want (the public) to think this was a Democrat position plotted from the left wing," Murtha said."
Of course we don't think that.
Read the entire "The Hill" article, very interesting.
"But Murtha also has raised some watchdogs concerns because his brother Robert Kit Murtha runs KSA Consulting, a lobbying group that represents some 10 smaller defense companies. In 2004, Murthas brother was able to secure $20 million in the defense-spending bill for his clients. Kit Murtha repeatedly has denied working directly with his brothers office"
"Republican lawmakers say that ties between Rep. John Murtha (D-PA) and his brother's lobbying firm, KSA Consulting, may warrant investigation by the House ethics committee...
According to a June 13 article in the Los Angeles Times, the fiscal 2005 defense appropriations bill included more than $20 million in funding for at least 10 companies for whom KSA lobbied. Carmen Scialabba, a longtime Murtha aide, works at KSA as well.
KSA directly lobbied Murtha's office on behalf of seven companies, and a Murtha aide told a defense contractor that it should retain KSA to represent it, according to the LA Times.
In early 2004, Murtha reportedly leaned on U.S. Navy officials to sign a contract to transfer the Hunters Point Shipyard to the city of San Francisco, according to the San Francisco Chronicle. A company called Lennar Inc. had right to the land, and Laurence Pelosi, nephew to House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-CA), was an executive with the firm at that time.
Murtha also inserted earmarks in defense bills that steered millions of dollars in federal research funds toward companies owned by children of fellow Pennsylvania Rep. Paul Kanjorski (D). .."
"The chairman of the Defense Appropriations subcommittee at the time, Rep. John Murtha (D-Pa.), had been caught in the FBI's ABSCAM sting operation in which an agent disguised as a Saudi sheik offered members of Congress large cash bribes. O'Neill put Wilson on the Ethics Committee to save Murtha, which he did."
I honestly do not believe that we can wipe terrorism from the planet. I think there will always be those that commit random acts of violence.
He was once my congressman, and he should have done that about 25 years ago!
Good stuff. Thanks.
put a sock in it, Mr. Murtha.
I do not believe they will have fought for nothing. Their job is to obey the orders of their Commander-in-chief, which they all have done willingly.
Every time one of these Lefties opens their mouth I thank God we have freedom of speech in America...
makes it easier to spot the idiots! LOL
compare what the Lefties were saying Friday night to what Cheney said today and it just doesn't seem fair! :-]
You can word any poll to get the results you want. Most people (about 55%) think a pre-mature pullout from Iraq would be a mistake. Don't listen to polls, esp. the ones touted by the MSM. They are misleading and designed to erode morale. The only polls that count are in November of even-numbered years.
You are correct and I could not have summed up Murtha's comments and our leaders inability to communicate/educate the public better.
i can agree that we are "winning" but i don't see a true victory with our current tactics. mostly because even if we won a resounding victory, MSM would undermine it.
you can't truly win a military victory if the MSM refuses to report a victory. part of military tactics needs to include a co-operative media that will report successes and help de-moralise enemy combatants.
He's spent to much time surfing DU....
Someone on the Drudge thread last night suggested "Simper Flee!" is more apt for Murtha.
Wasn't it an premature pullout that got the dna on the blue dress?
Liar. I don't care where or how long you served, Lee Harvey Oswald was also a Marine.
Haha right you are! I just couldn't help myself from taking a jab. Now you bring "reckon" into the situation! LOL!
I can't say I've heard of Central City. All this talk has made me decide what I want for dinner! I'm going to have to dig thru the freezer and see if I don't have a dozen or so potato pirohi left (not none of the Mrs Paul's stuff but made by little bubas at church)
Hey yinz guys! Lookit da hicks!
Caneven spell "pierogi" 'nat...
LOL! Prolly eat 'em with sketty sauze like ravioli too... LOL!!!
Not enough money in this war for Murtha's brother... Is that it Mr. Murtha?
The congressman from Pennsylvania is a Murtha Focker
Nope...boiled and served with onions and a little butter or oil, sour cream, salt and pepper
Or fried in butter and savored with sour cream and lots of salt and pepper.
A real heart stopper on a plate....
This is a lie. If it were true the dems would have climbed over each other to vote yea to get the troops out expecting to be embraced by the American people...but they voted nay...they know the truth...Americans don't want to leave a critical job undone. Americans don't want the party of "cut and run".
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