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Only 40 Genes Separate Your Pet Dog From A Wolf
The Telegraph (UK) ^ | 11-22-2005 | Roger Highfield

Posted on 11/21/2005 6:18:45 PM PST by blam

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To: blam

I believe it, when my 4 pound guard dog was howling in his sleep, the first thing I though was that there must only be 40 genes separating my dog from a wolf.


51 posted on 11/21/2005 8:32:48 PM PST by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: blam

I wish I knew how to post a pic. My dog (Cacasian Ovcharka) was bred to kill wolves. I bet there's not much genetic difference between him and them.


52 posted on 11/21/2005 8:35:07 PM PST by BruceysMom ("Scott Peterson is such an amateur!"-Michael Shiavo)
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To: blam

I don't care how many jeans you put on a fuffy little rat dog it is not going to look like a wolf.


53 posted on 11/21/2005 8:35:29 PM PST by festus (The constitution may be flawed but its a whole lot better than what we have now.)
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To: MikeinIraq
I have 2 Huskies... I wonder what the difference is there....probably less than 10 genes is my guess.....

I have one McKenzie River husky and one Siberian Husky/Malamute husky. Both are love dogs. Even our departed purebred Malamute did not fit the reputation of Malamutes. He was gentle, loving and kind to everyone from adults to children. It was other male dogs he had a vengence for. Just goes to show that so much of what a dog becomes is in the puppy rearing, not the "breed". Just like kids. :)

54 posted on 11/21/2005 8:37:55 PM PST by Chena (I'm not young enough to know everything.)
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To: A CA Guy

I just gave my two granddaughters a Bichon Frise puppy, 4 months old. She came from a local lady who just breeds once a year, then is very picky about who she sells to...the puppy was housebroken when I got him, the girls take him outside on the leash and say, "Go Potty!" and he does...

Gentlest, funniest little puppy! I swear, I'm going to get a picture of him to put up here...

I love dog threads...


55 posted on 11/21/2005 8:38:56 PM PST by Judith Anne (Thank you St. Jude for favors granted.)
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To: HairOfTheDog

Say, have you seen this great thread? ;-D


56 posted on 11/21/2005 8:41:01 PM PST by Judith Anne (Thank you St. Jude for favors granted.)
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To: Judith Anne

My dog would like to eat it's body weight in chicken for dinner and is barely tall enough to clear my ankles.


57 posted on 11/21/2005 8:43:34 PM PST by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: kstewskis

The meanest, most wolfish dog I ever had was a toy poodle.

She'd attack a damn herd of elephants if she thought they might hurt me.

She died in 2001. Now I have a (bigger) mid-sized dog, and she's scared of her own shadow.


58 posted on 11/21/2005 8:47:35 PM PST by girlangler (I'd rather be fishing)
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To: MikeinIraq
I have read that the Samoyed is closest to the wolf when their genes were compared.

The "family tree" of dogs indicates that all descend from the wolf and the Samoyed is one of four breeds in the first generation.

Your Huskie is probably one of the four.

59 posted on 11/21/2005 8:48:37 PM PST by Dustbunny (Main Stream Media -- Making 'Max Headroom' a reality.)
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To: Chena

Dogs will do anything to please their masters. Check out this story:

MOVILLE, Iowa -- Deep in the tall, wild grasses, Deuce bounds along, hot on the scent of an unseen pheasant.

The sea of grass parts in the late afternoon sunshine as the yellow Labrador, nose to the ground, searches for game.

"Is there a bird in here, Deuce?" his owner, Pat Phipps, calls out.


Excited by the encouragement, Deuce quickens his pace. The rustling through the brush gets louder. The trail of Deuce's hunt winds through the grass and abruptly stops as he crashes headfirst into a small tree he never saw. He changes directions and follows Phipps' voice into a clearing.

"Good work, Deuce boy. You're working hard today," Phipps says, bending over, patting his dog's heaving side.

Panting happily, his big pink tongue swinging from his open mouth, Deuce stares off into the distance. A pale green reflection dims his eyes, revealing the reason for the mishap with the tree.

Deuce is blind.

But once he's seeking scents along the rolling hills of Phipps' hunting spot, Deuce's nose takes over for his eyes. He's doing what he was born to do.

"I think he probably does take more abrasions on his face because he can't see stuff," Phipps said. "But you can't not take him (hunting)."

Phipps probably couldn't get away with it if he tried.

Walking toward the kennel in the back yard of his Moville home, Phipps yells to Deuce and Axle, his other yellow Lab, "How we doin'? You ready to go out and get some birds?"

Deuce and Axle spring to their feet, ears at attention, bodies wiggling eagerly, tails flapping furiously from side to side. With a couple yelps, they dash out the kennel door and race around the yard. Nearly tripping Phipps several times, they accompany him to his Suburban in the driveway. Deuce bumps into the rear fender, then follows Axle to the open back door and jumps inside.

Phipps isn't sure why his 9-year-old dog lost his sight. He suspects it had something to do with the mouse poison Deuce got into as a puppy. After a close call with death, Deuce fully recovered and became an accomplished hunting dog.

But about two years ago, Phipps noticed Deuce was bumping into things in the yard with increasing frequency. It was obvious the dog was losing his sight. Phipps thinks Deuce might be able to see a little, but guesses he's almost 100 percent blind.

But Deuce hasn't lost any of the instincts he perfected when he had his eyesight.

"He's probably a better hunter now than when he could see. He uses his nose now," said Jay Phipps, Pat's son.

It's a nose that works extremely well. On a recent hunt, Pat Phipps and six other hunters hadn't fired a single shot before Deuce came back from the tall grass, a rooster pheasant in his mouth.

"My nephew was with us and he began laughing. He said there were seven guys who could see out here and the first pheasant is caught by the blind dog," Phipps said, laughing.

Because of Deuce's condition, Phipps has adjusted his hunting patterns. He keeps Deuce in the middle of the field, away from ditches and ravines that he could fall into. They avoid fences and groves of trees. Other than that, stay out of the way. Nothing gets between Deuce and a scent.

"He'll take you out, he gets going," Phipps said.

On this day, Deuce's nose leads him to several hen pheasants, but no roosters. Phipps and his son walk back to the Suburban with only one rooster that Axle flushed out. A tired Deuce trots next to Phipps and leaps into the back of the vehicle for the ride home.

He'll be asleep before they get back to town, Jay Phipps says.

No doubt seeing pheasants in his dreams.

Nick Hytrek can be reached at 712-293-4226 or nickhytrek@siouxcityjournal.com.


60 posted on 11/21/2005 8:58:50 PM PST by girlangler (I'd rather be fishing)
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To: blam
There are only a few genes separating fish, birds, humans, whales, cows, chickens, etc. This is just evo-hype to get you to believe we all came from pond scum. The trick is to get the genes in the right sequence so you won't have offspring more related to bacteria. It is also the main reason we should FEAR the gene splicers. I agree that wonderful things could come from jiggering genes, as long as we realize the consequences of a slight screw up. I was watching a show on nano bots the other day, and they talked about the "Grey Goo" syndrome. It was a nano bot designed to eat spilled hydrocarbons(oil spills). The only problem was a software glitch that happened when they self replicated and started eating all carbon based lifeforms. Just imagine "beneficial insects", disease resistant food, etc, to come up with all kinds of doomsday scenario's. We may start looking for that tomato that has a bruise, or an orange with a spot on it because the perfect ones may kill us.

Whole Foods is the only grocery company growing at double digits for a reason.

61 posted on 11/21/2005 9:00:35 PM PST by chuckles
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To: RedWhiteBlue
I read an interesting theory that said that dogs may have domesticated themselves. They were wolves who started out by following humans and scavenging from their camps, and then got bolder and bolder, setting up nightly near the humans. The benefit of having wolves to warn when danger approached became obvious soon enough, and the people reciprocated by supporting the wolves, throwing them bones, etc.

Over time, the wolves that prospered were the ones that got along with humans and that were able to read our intentions. They were brought into the human camp, and then breeding changed them even more.

I had always assumed that wolves were domesticated when humans nabbed a few pups and started raising them, but some research indicates that that would not have worked, because the wolves had to change first before they would be compatible with people. Who knows, but it's fascinating stuff.

62 posted on 11/21/2005 9:16:31 PM PST by Defiant (Dar al Salaam will exist when the entire world submits to American leadership.)
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To: blam
The problem with a blanket statement like this is that not all genes are created equal. Some genes do next to nothing(i.e. influence hair or skin color. Other genes are "big picture" genes. They make sure our arms and legs end up in the right place, and stuff like that. Exactly what genes separate my dogs from a wolf, that is the question. Someone needs to start a genetics ping list.
63 posted on 11/21/2005 9:25:20 PM PST by aliquando (A Scout is T, L, H, F, C, K, O, C, T, B, C, and R.)
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To: chuckles

You don't need to fear the "gene splicers" just watch them like a 12 year old boy with a knife, a bike, a magnifying glass, and a boring afternoon. The insulin that anyone has been using since the eighties is human insulin generated by bacteria that were "gene spliced". I'm not trying to lecture you. It can be good or evil, just like most children they need parental supervision.


64 posted on 11/21/2005 9:31:13 PM PST by aliquando (A Scout is T, L, H, F, C, K, O, C, T, B, C, and R.)
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To: Defiant

I seem to recall a children's book and/or story about that man/wolf relationship. Makes sense.


65 posted on 11/21/2005 9:37:00 PM PST by geopyg (Ever Vigilant, Never Fearful)
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To: girlangler

I love that story! God loves all dogs. And as we all know, "God" spelled backwards, is "dog". ;)

When our elderly black lab was losing her sight, and then lost her hearing, she still came to us when we used hand signals and eventually she just "sensed" our presence and came to us, tail wagging as if she had spotted us a mile away and I swear she could even sense the smiles on our faces, and the "good girl" words we spoke. God bless Niki's soul.


66 posted on 11/21/2005 9:54:04 PM PST by Chena (I'm not young enough to know everything.)
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To: Ursus arctos horribilis

Terriers don't KNOW they're little dogs . . .


67 posted on 11/22/2005 3:55:09 AM PST by AnAmericanMother (. . . Ministrix of ye Chace (recess appointment), TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary . . .)
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To: peyton randolph

My cats are in constant battle with our new pup - and the pup is learning to dodge the kitty claws and swat just like them.

We have more fun watching them fight!


68 posted on 11/22/2005 5:13:31 AM PST by Cathy
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To: blam

Is it any surprise that conservatives tend to be dog people and libs tend to be cat people? Not from where I sit (with two springers curled at my feet). Life is better with dogs!


69 posted on 11/22/2005 8:38:19 AM PST by GBA (I believe Congressman Weldon! MSM do your job.)
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To: kstewskis
How you see him:

How he sees himself:

Count on it.

70 posted on 11/22/2005 8:42:42 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: AnAmericanMother
You are right, terriers are truly a group of canines unto themselves.

We have had terriers from the large Orang Airedales, Welsh, and now the wire hairs and Yorkie. The wire hairs are jewels, even tempered and gentle, unless provoked, they then revert to breed. The yorkie is a 200 pounder stuck in a seven pound body.
71 posted on 11/22/2005 9:43:37 AM PST by Ursus arctos horribilis ("It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees!" Emiliano Zapata 1879-1919)
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To: ArrogantBustard

Excellent advice.

Dogs will "seize the day" largely if they can (the strong 1s) - or if they think they have to (the wimpy dogs). Wimpy sappy owners = cuckolded humans = dangerous dogs.

Those who think dogs're somehow "better" than cats - due to temperament obviously, saying wolves are better too - fool themselves and obviously don't read the papers much.


72 posted on 11/22/2005 11:40:54 AM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue.)
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73 posted on 01/30/2006 9:03:40 AM PST by SunkenCiv (In the long run, there is only the short run.)
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Both are better than cats.

Add 100 pounds to your pet dog and he will still think you are the smartest person in the world and will lick your face to prove it.

Add 100 pounds to your cat and it will think you are lunch.

74 posted on 01/30/2006 9:07:57 AM PST by N. Theknow (Kennedys - Can't drive, can't fly, can't ski, can't skipper a boat - But they know what's best.)
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75 posted on 01/30/2006 9:12:59 AM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum.)
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To: girlangler

Nice story. My old dog, Ruff, who died last year, was getting very deaf (he could just barely hear you if you shouted as loud as you could in a small room) and slowly going blind, as well. I don't know what I would have done with him if he'd gone completely blind. I've heard of people raising deaf-blind dogs from when they're young, but I imagine it would be very hard on an old dog to get used to. As it was you could startle him really badly by sneaking up on him - apparently dogs' alertness when sleeping is triggered by sound, which he could no longer hear.


76 posted on 01/30/2006 9:36:01 AM PST by -YYZ-
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Sorry to hear about you losing your dog.

I lost one that was my best friend for 13 years. They are the most loyal friend one can have. I lost her in 2001 and still miss her. I even dream about her a lot.

Thanks for the ping. Good story.


77 posted on 01/31/2006 8:52:50 AM PST by girlangler (I'd rather be fishing)
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