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How many guns is too many?
Sentinel & Enterprise (Massachussetts) ^ | 11/22/05 | Caitlyn Kelleher

Posted on 11/22/2005 9:19:56 AM PST by kiriath_jearim

How many guns is too many?

By Caitlyn Kelleher

Chris Tietgens owned 15 different guns by the time he was 15.

Now, at age 66, he has a room full of firearms as part of his personal collection.

The Leominster resident has firearms that date back to the early-1800s, firearms German soldiers used in World War II, original Winchester rifles and a pocket-pistol made in Fitchburg in the early-1900s.

Tietgens collects firearms, hunts and competes in target competitions.

"They represent a whole line of interests," he said. "It's not just a one-thing reason."

Tietgens does not understand why anyone would wonder why he owns so many guns.

"It's the view of the person that knows less and less about firearms," he said.

The ability of people to sit around and casually discuss firearms has disappeared during the last few years, said Tietgens.

His comments come two weeks after Templeton Police arrested Scott Tardiff, 37 , after he turned over 16 firearms, ammunition, and an expired license to police when they served him with a restraining order.

Tardiff was charged with firearm possession without an firearm identification card, possession of a large capacity firearm, improper storage of a firearm, and improper storage of a large capacity firearm.

Tardiff, a former Leominster resident, was arrested within yards of Baldwinville Elementary School.

This concerned many parents, who said they were upset by the fact that the guns were not locked away.

While not talking about this case, area hunters and gun collectors said it is not unusual for a person to have more than one gun.

Different guns are needed to hunt different types of animals, shoot different targets and collected.

Hiding their guns away

"I think the stigma is somewhat caused by the laws," said Jim Wallace, the executive director of the Gun Owners Action League in Northboro. "By law we have to hide our guns away."

State laws require all firearms to be "secured in a locked container or equipped with a tamper-resistant mechanical lock or other safety device, properly engaged so as to render such weapon inoperable by any person other than the owner or lawfully authorized used."

Wallace said he thinks many people have a false sense of security and believe it is someone else's job to "protect me and feed me."

And while state gun laws regulate the sale, the possession, the carrying and the types of guns a person can own, they don't regulate the number of weapons someone can own.

Gun owners, including Tietgens, say many of these law are confusing, poorly designed and cause more harm to legal gun owners than criminals.

"Laws don't always make sense, they don't cover all the what ifs," Tietgens said.

A person needs to have a firearms identification card in order to possess a license in the state.

The cards can be obtained through the local police department. Applications are available in local police departments and a person must submit proof they have completed a safety course.

Police can refuse to issue the cards if someone has been convicted a felony or a misdemeanor that carries a sentence of two years or more or have been confined for mental illness, drug addiction or habitual drunkenness.

Still, many law-abiding gunowners say criminals will find ways to get guns.

"There is no way you are going to stop the average crook from getting their hands (on guns)," Wallace said. "If you are not going to stop the illegal drugs and the gangs, you aren't going to stop the illegal gun use."

Philip A. Madonia, III, the president of the Fitchburg Sportsmen Club, is a hunter.

He said he owns more than one gun but would not specify how many.

The 50-year-old Fitchburg resident said it is important to teach people to respect firearms, both to control their use, but also to remove the stigma attached to owning guns.

"I think it is a misperception of how guns are used by sportsmen and why they are used," he said. "I got introduced to it as a Boy Scout on issues of safe handling and use."

Richard Freel of Clinton agrees older generations did a better job of teaching their children to respect firearms.

"I think that used be something handled by parents years ago," he said.

The Clinton man said he owns about 10 firearms, including shotguns, rifles and pistols, which he uses in competitions.

"I shoot holes in paper," he said describing his interest in guns. "The goal is shooting a perfect target."

The different weapons allow him to perfect his shooting, depending on a variety of factors.

"I am protecting your second amendment to keep and bear arms," Freel said. "I think our forefathers, who wrote our constitution, were wise."


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1 posted on 11/22/2005 9:19:56 AM PST by kiriath_jearim
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To: kiriath_jearim

2,147,483,647

After that you will need to use a different variable type (LONG) in your database to catlog them.


2 posted on 11/22/2005 9:21:56 AM PST by YouPosting2Me
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To: kiriath_jearim

A premise of the article is that controlling guns (the number, for example) will reduce violence. No thought for the idea that when violent criminals used to be held answerable for their acts, that violence was much lower.

The UK eliminated all gun ownership and crimes have been skyrocketing. In fact, hot crimes, in which the perp goes into the house when the owners are there, are way up.



3 posted on 11/22/2005 9:23:07 AM PST by saveliberty (Conservativism - the commitment to live within your own means and to take care of yourself & family)
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To: kiriath_jearim
too many?

Does. Not. Compute.

4 posted on 11/22/2005 9:23:30 AM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: kiriath_jearim
well, you need one for each day of the week, holidays, birthdays and other special events. You need a few different kinds for hunting and then one must accessorize....
5 posted on 11/22/2005 9:24:53 AM PST by misterrob
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To: kiriath_jearim

As many as you can afford.


6 posted on 11/22/2005 9:25:23 AM PST by SmoothTalker
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To: kiriath_jearim
[cue music]

Too much [guns]? What's that mean? It's like too much money, there's no such thing

It's like a girl too pretty, with too much class

Being too lucky, a car too fast

No matter what they say I've done I ain't never had too much [guns]

7 posted on 11/22/2005 9:26:06 AM PST by LambSlave ( :-)
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To: kiriath_jearim

I'll own as many damn guns as I want. In fact, because of this article, I am going to look into getting a rifle - one of the holes in my gun collection...


8 posted on 11/22/2005 9:26:24 AM PST by steel_resolve
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To: kiriath_jearim

There is no such thing as too much horsepower or too many guns. The idiot hoplophbes don't realize that an individual can't fire them all at once. A good way to make a hoplophobe speechless is to tell them: "I'm pro choice on the 2d Amendment. I won't force you to own a firearm"!


9 posted on 11/22/2005 9:26:24 AM PST by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: kiriath_jearim

If you start losing track of them, you have too many.


10 posted on 11/22/2005 9:26:26 AM PST by BeHoldAPaleHorse (MORE COWBELL! MORE COWBELL! (CLANK-CLANK-CLANK))
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To: kiriath_jearim
How many guns is too many? By Caitlyn Kelleher

Too many? No such thing!

11 posted on 11/22/2005 9:26:31 AM PST by Rummyfan
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To: SmoothTalker

More than I need, not as many as I want.


12 posted on 11/22/2005 9:27:04 AM PST by IndyTiger
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To: kiriath_jearim
State laws require all firearms to be "secured in a locked container or equipped with a tamper-resistant mechanical lock or other safety device, properly engaged so as to render such weapon inoperable by any person other than the owner or lawfully authorized used."

So my house too big of a locked container?

Odd law in MA, both that one, and the Firearms ID card business. My sympathies to MA.

13 posted on 11/22/2005 9:27:15 AM PST by HairOfTheDog (Join the Hobbit Hole Troop Support - http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net/ 1,000 knives and counting!)
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To: kiriath_jearim

"Too many" firearms is one more than the last blue-nosed busybody thinks you ought to own. That number tends toward zero if you let them run your life for you.


14 posted on 11/22/2005 9:27:45 AM PST by Billthedrill
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To: sheik yerbouty

What does it matter? You can only hold two at once.


15 posted on 11/22/2005 9:28:00 AM PST by will180 (I am l337, just ask my mom.)
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To: YouPosting2Me
Just use an unsigned long.

I was going to say a billion and six, but I like your number better.
16 posted on 11/22/2005 9:28:23 AM PST by MarkeyD (Cowards cut and run. Marines finish the job. I really, really loathe liberals.)
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To: kiriath_jearim

I'll tell you when I get there.


17 posted on 11/22/2005 9:28:46 AM PST by Mr. Brightside
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To: kiriath_jearim

Always keep the law, but who are these people to tell us how many is too many? Would it EVER tell us we have too few? A government that is big enough to give everything to you is big enough to take it all away.


18 posted on 11/22/2005 9:29:01 AM PST by DaveLoneRanger (Celebrating my first full year on FR! Has it been one year already?? Has it only been one year??)
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To: saveliberty

You can own guns in the UK. Rifles and shotguns are permitted, you need a police certificate. Hand guns are verbotten! Very restrictive, oppressive, but you can own them.


19 posted on 11/22/2005 9:29:23 AM PST by conservativewasp (Liberals lie for sport and hate their country.)
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To: SmoothTalker

The minimum? At least one or two for every member of your family (extended) and trusted neighbors and friends, plus the ammo to boot!


20 posted on 11/22/2005 9:29:34 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: kiriath_jearim

Chris Tietgens has a nice collection.


21 posted on 11/22/2005 9:30:08 AM PST by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: Gaffer

"We got guns! They got guns! All God's chillun got guns!"


22 posted on 11/22/2005 9:30:23 AM PST by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: Mr. Mojo
An equation my friends and I derived, useful especially for guns or any toys!

X = n + 1

Where:
X = # of guns you need
n = # of guns you own
23 posted on 11/22/2005 9:30:28 AM PST by proud_yank (Socialism is economic oppression)
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To: BeHoldAPaleHorse
If you start losing track of them, you have too many.

That’s why we now have the home computer.
24 posted on 11/22/2005 9:31:14 AM PST by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: kiriath_jearim

How many pair of underwear is too many? You generally only wear one at a time...


25 posted on 11/22/2005 9:31:21 AM PST by trebb ("I am the way... no one comes to the Father, but by me..." - Jesus in John 14:6 (RSV))
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To: YouPosting2Me

LOL!


26 posted on 11/22/2005 9:31:24 AM PST by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: sheik yerbouty

We jess gotta make shure ourn is bettern' thern!


27 posted on 11/22/2005 9:31:32 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: kiriath_jearim

You only "NEED" one gun :) (those are for fun)

But you should have as many "Weapons" as you want.

On the other hand, with 1 proper weapon (and a sh!t load of ammo) you could probably get by (but why just have one?)


28 posted on 11/22/2005 9:32:03 AM PST by YouPosting2Me
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To: saveliberty; kiriath_jearim
The UK eliminated all gun ownership and crimes have been skyrocketing. In fact, hot crimes, in which the perp goes into the house when the owners are there, are way up.

That is an essential point.

It also happened in Australia and New Zealand.

The signficance is that the the gun confiscation laws were extreme and precipitous (they did not evolve, they happened all at once). The effect was that violent crime went up immediately and a lot.

The reason that this is so essential is that the gun control debate has never had such a clear, controlled experiment about the effects of gun control. The gun grabbers can argue all the theory they want, but there are now clear data about the real effects.

29 posted on 11/22/2005 9:32:11 AM PST by 2ndreconmarine (Horse feces (97 citations) vs ID (0 citations) and horse feces wins!!!!!)
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To: kiriath_jearim

Click the Gadsden flag for pro-gun resources!
30 posted on 11/22/2005 9:32:38 AM PST by Joe Brower (The Constitution defines Conservatism. *NRA*)
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To: Billthedrill

Yep i agree. Its non of there damm business how many guns me or my family owns. We have a lot of guns and a ton of ammo and there is always a gun readily available to defend life, liberty, and property.

A person never has too many guns. Each law abiding citizen should own at least 1 gun. However i recomend many many more than that. Like others have said- Buy as many as you can afford! Oh, and NEVER EVER register your guns with any gov't.

Anybody own a Model 70?? Any feed back on it?


31 posted on 11/22/2005 9:33:32 AM PST by BigTom85 (Proud Gun Owner and Member of NRA)
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To: YouPosting2Me

Since Ted Kennedy's body guard was found to be in posession of one hand gun, 2 machine guns and 147 rounds. I think we found the number of just right guns.


32 posted on 11/22/2005 9:34:07 AM PST by massgopguy (massgopguy)
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To: YouPosting2Me
lessee......"This is my weapon, THIS is my gun. One's for shootin', the other's for fun.....
33 posted on 11/22/2005 9:34:11 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: kiriath_jearim
Does it matter how many little glass pigs you have on your nic/nac shelf? Does it matter how many old cars you have out in your garage? Does it matter how many refrigerator magnets you have on your fridge?

Why would there be a special category for having and collecting guns?

34 posted on 11/22/2005 9:34:27 AM PST by fish hawk (I am only one, but I am not the only one.)
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To: 2ndreconmarine

Stalin once said "I won't let the people have the vote. Why would I let them have guns?"


35 posted on 11/22/2005 9:35:06 AM PST by saveliberty (Conservativism - the commitment to live within your own means and to take care of yourself & family)
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To: kiriath_jearim
You never know when you'll need 'em!


36 posted on 11/22/2005 9:35:45 AM PST by oldleft
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To: kiriath_jearim; hellinahandcart; Tolerance Sucks Rocks; tgslTakoma; GunsareOK; Abundy

Geez. I thought Maryland was bad.


37 posted on 11/22/2005 9:35:53 AM PST by sauropod ("The love that dare not speak its' name has now become the love that won't shut the hell up.")
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To: YouPosting2Me
On the other hand, with 1 proper weapon (and a sh!t load of ammo) you could probably get by (but why just have one?) I agree mostly with you, but with enough shooting, you can sure heat up a barrel. It'd be nice to alternate between 2-3, if needed....
38 posted on 11/22/2005 9:36:17 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: kiriath_jearim

X = SQRT("None of your damn business!")


39 posted on 11/22/2005 9:36:37 AM PST by YouPosting2Me
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To: oldleft

Burt Gummer is my role model ;-).


40 posted on 11/22/2005 9:38:10 AM PST by sauropod ("The love that dare not speak its' name has now become the love that won't shut the hell up.")
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To: kiriath_jearim

The enemy of my enemy is my friend... until he kills my enemy, then "he" is my enemy...


41 posted on 11/22/2005 9:38:30 AM PST by YouPosting2Me
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To: Gaffer

"The fustest with the mostest!"


42 posted on 11/22/2005 9:39:43 AM PST by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: will180

It's good to have a few spares..


43 posted on 11/22/2005 9:40:27 AM PST by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: kiriath_jearim
"By law we have to hide our guns away."

This is the larger problem. How do you teach the next generation to respect and be safe with guns when you have to hide them away? Hiding them away just makes kids curious about them and if they get their hands on them, they do not respect what can be done or handle them in an unsafe manner. I sometimes wonder how many kids are killed accidentally because guns have to be hidden away.

44 posted on 11/22/2005 9:41:16 AM PST by Rogle
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To: kiriath_jearim

""A person needs to have a firearms identification card in order to possess a license in the state.""

Is this so people can tell whether its a gun and not, say a watermelon or baby carriage or something?


45 posted on 11/22/2005 9:42:22 AM PST by InsureAmerica (Evil? I have many words for it. We are as dust, to them. - v v putin)
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To: conservativewasp
You can own guns in the UK. Rifles and shotguns are permitted

Semi-auto rifles? Pump shotguns?

46 posted on 11/22/2005 9:42:27 AM PST by Spirochete
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To: kiriath_jearim
How many guns is too many?

In the hands of the police, any more than one. In the hands of a private citizen, no such number exist.

47 posted on 11/22/2005 9:42:30 AM PST by john_baldacci_is_a_commie
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To: kiriath_jearim

I once saw someone post that if you know how many guns you have off the top of your head, you don't have enough!

On that thread (before I read that quote), I had to open up my gun safe and take a head count! I guess that means I'm OK, for the time being!

Mark


48 posted on 11/22/2005 9:42:34 AM PST by MarkL (I didn't get to where I am today by worrying about what I'd feel like tomorrow!)
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To: BeHoldAPaleHorse
If you start losing track of them, you have too many.

If you know the exact number, it's not enough.

49 posted on 11/22/2005 9:42:39 AM PST by Tijeras_Slim (Now that taglines are cool, I refuse to have one.)
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To: kiriath_jearim

Too many? I'm sorry, I don't understand the question.


50 posted on 11/22/2005 9:45:03 AM PST by RogueIsland
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