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To: Jo Nuvark
The Evolution v Creation argument may be the undoing of civilization.

Yeah. Right. Sure.

If we deny that we are created beings (a creation must have a Creator), we have no accountability and an excuse to behave badly.

This is complete and utter nonsense. Even absent a creator, we still have accountability to others in our society. Behave badly, and pretty soon you're going to get the crap kicked out of you (literally or figuratively) -- and excuses about "it's in my nature" aren't going to fly.

If kin to apes, our primal desires to murder and breed are then instinctual.

...and so are our "primal desires" for cooperation, family and community bonds, love, caring for and protecting our children, defending our peers, etc. etc.

You really haven't thought this through at all, have you?

We are without guilt and free to roam and do as we please.

Horse manure. Even *apes* feel guilt, and fail to act as hedonistically and unrestrained as you ignorantly assume they "should". Get a clue.

Even apes understand that that sort of behavior is a recipe for disaster. And humans have even more of an ability to use their minds to understand why short-term selfish gains are *not* worthwhile or desirable strategies in the long run. Instead, cooperation, mutual altruism, "golden rule" ethics, and so on are vastly more effective ways to enhance even your *own* net benefits in a society, as well as the welfare of others. It's a win-win situation.

Duh. Even *apes* figure this out pretty fast as they grow up. What's *your* excuse?

Promiscuous sex, unwanted pregnancy, abortion (murder). The decline of the family... the decline of civilization.

Uh huh. Whatever you say.

Tell me, if it were somehow proven tomorrow that there wasn't a creator after all, would *you* suddenly start raping, killing, and pillaging? Yes or no? If Yes, shame on you, and you'd better have "fun" quick before you get shot or thrown in jail. If No, then realize you're not the only one with an actual brain and a conscience.

61 posted on 11/23/2005 12:39:07 AM PST by Ichneumon
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To: Ichneumon

Ichneumon... Me thinks thou dost protest too much.

No matter how much of that evolutionary nonsense you throw at the wall, it still won't stick. You cannot ignore design. Look in the mirror, design is staring you in the face. Evolution does not work, no matter how many zero's you add to the age of the earth.

Further, we DO run amock. We ARE uncivilized. Why do you think we must have laws? The jungle order works because the jungle is full of animals. But, WE are human and without excuse.

91 posted on 11/23/2005 8:11:30 AM PST by Jo Nuvark (Having to explain God is like having to point out the sun. (Ray Comfort))
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