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We don't know how to explain say the design of an eyeball, as a scientifically possible evolution with any statistical chance of occurring in the span of ten trillion universes, even once, on one planet.

Sure we do -- have you bothered to actually *look* at the science journals before saying something like this?

So "we" don't know how to explain the origins of the eyeball, as an evolutionary scenario? Oooookay. Pull the other leg now:

Uncovering The Ancestry of A Complex Organ, The Eye

The Visual System II

The Evolution of Eyes

The Evolution of Color Vision

Life's Grand Design

Life's Grand Design (II)

How Could An Eye Evolve?

And those are just some pages for *laymen*. If you really want to get into the gritty details, read some actual journal articles on the subject, for example:
Cubozoan jellyfish: an Evo/Devo model for eyes and other sensory systems
To give a taste of the vast amount of research that has actually been published on this subject (which the creationists routinely falsely mischaracterize as as if nothing at all is actually known), consider:
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Perhaps creationists "don't know" how the eye evolved, but if so it's because they're not bothering to read the science journals before they make their pronouncements. Biologists actually know a great deal about how the eye evolved, in what stages, in what lineages, at what points in time, via what genetic and molecular changes, etc. etc. There's still a lot to discover yet, of course, but the usual creationist canard of "you guys don't know nothin' and have no evidence, it's all just guesswork" is a gigantic misrepresentation.

However the argument that "We don't know how it happened, so someone must have designed it" answers nothing for me. It just regresses the magic.

Bingo! Creationists like to offer "a designer did it" as an "explanation", but it actually *explains* nothing. An actual explanation would involve details as to processes, methods, materials, etc.

72 posted on 11/23/2005 1:38:58 AM PST by Ichneumon
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To: Ichneumon
Now found in The List-O-Links, in the section SOME INCORRECT (BUT COMMON) CREATIONIST ARGUMENTS:

NEW Ichneumon's post 72 on eye evolution.

75 posted on 11/23/2005 4:37:48 AM PST by PatrickHenry (Expect no response if you're a troll, lunatic, retard, or incurable ignoramus.)
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To: Ichneumon

Excellant reply. Thanks.

76 posted on 11/23/2005 6:02:34 AM PST by Recovering Ex-hippie (Cowards cut and run...Marines never do!)
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To: Ichneumon
Thanks for the references. They don't surprise me at all. Pretty obviously, when I wrote "we don't ..." I meant by we myself and the creationists to whom I was responding, not necessarily all humans. And obviously I had not looked for the science on this myself.

Sorry - I pulled a common ploy. When too lazy to look something up, state an outrageous claim to the contrary and let someone else have the fun of showing how wrong you were.

And I used another common rhetorical ploy. When you want to focus the readers attention on one of a couple of reasons they are wrong (the regressed magic, in this case) willingly grant without qualification the other points so as not to defocus the reader.

89 posted on 11/23/2005 7:53:53 AM PST by ThePythonicCow (To err is human; to moo is bovine.)
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To: Ichneumon; PatrickHenry; Junior
Sure we do -- have you bothered to actually *look* at the science journals before saying something like this?

Remind me never, ever, ever to get into an argument with you!!!!


Fantastic post, as always.

94 posted on 11/23/2005 8:55:26 AM PST by 2ndreconmarine (Horse feces (929 citations) vs ID (0 citations) and horse feces wins!!!!!)
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