Should Tookie Get Clemency? (Poll)

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Convicted murderer and Crips founder, Stanley "Tookie" Williams, set to be executed Dec. 13, has used his prison time to write books urging children to stay out of gangs, among other peace-preaching efforts. Should clemency be given to deathrow inmates who pursue such activities?

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Freep this poll.

[saganite]

Took a while to get there at 3/4 impulse (dialup) but consider it freeped.

[R.W.Ratikal]

Sure. Just as soon as we figure out a way to bring his victims back to life.

[sport]

Voted

Yes: 12

No: 41

I voted no.

[jocon307]

Voted and bttt

[QwertyKPH]

Peace-keeping efforts

C'mon.... He's a murderer and a thug! His efforts after conviction are to keep his butt outta the fiery depths of HELL! Sincere or otherwise, its for God to decide.

[whitedog57]

Let's see. I plan a murder. If caught, I either find religion or become a social model in order to be spared.

It could be legit, but how can we tell the difference?

He knew what he was doing and the consequences of being caught. End of story.

[spintreebob]

The best message he could send to children is to show the children what happens to people who do what he did.

[nuconvert]

Yes 12 (14.63%)
No 70 (85.37%)

[sport]

Cood!

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That's the best answer.

[Samwise]

The best message he could send to children is to show the children what happens to people who do what he did.

Bump

[showme_the_Glory]

voted bumped

[elc]

Does anyone have a timeline on when he started these "peace preaching" efforts and how they coincided with his appeals process?

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That would be worth looking into.

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Current stats:

Yes 12
No 105

How soon til DU starts its counter-strike?

[Lancer_N3502A]

Cook em Dano.

[Brilliant]

More than 90% say no.

[johnny7]

Or... what time does the inner-city wake-up?

[newzjunkey]

Of course we should! (sarcasm) He only murdered an 26 yr old Army vet, the father of two daughters, by shotgun. Execution style. For $63. Bragged about offing "some white guy" to accomplices.

Oh, and there's the matter of the three others he murdered. All from one family. Thsai-Shai Yang, Yen-I Yang, and Yee Chen Lin. Immigrants from Tiawan they owned an area hotel. The mother was murdered first. She died immediately with the father shot second and then daughter. He left father and daughter to die on the floor. They perished en route to a hospital.

Here's a photo of Tookie in prison, a couple years after his murder spree:

And now the "sainted" Tookie in 2000:

[manwiththehands]

I'm sure Governor Schwarzenegger will take the results of this poll into account. /sarc

[Rummyfan]

Is there a No, No, and Hell No option?

[RichInOC]

...He's still alive?

[R. Scott]

Yes 12 (8.28%)
No 133 (91.72%)

[R. Scott]

Have his execution video taped and included in a Snoop Dog rap video.

[elc]

I found this timeline that someone put together. Don't know how accurate it is, but I'm sure most of it can be verified.

Tookie Timeline

I'm not an expert, but it seems to me the books and writings to children started coming out when his appeals were running out.

[absolootezer0]

how about a post-humous pardon?

[HighlyOpinionated]

12 votes Yes, give clemency.
144 votes No, execute him.

He refuses to give up the names of the other Crips leaders. He started the Crips.

It's all a game, isn't it? Next, I assume he'll take up Islam and claim religious persecution.

The USA waits too long to execute those found guilty of heinous crimes. Execute within two years of a guilty verdict. If the USA makes a few mistakes, it's still a better policy than housing murderous thugs for years and years while they play off people's sympathy.

[Niuhuru]

"Next, I assume he'll take up Islam and claim religious persecution."

I hope not.

"The USA waits too long to execute those found guilty of heinous crimes. Execute within two years of a guilty verdict. If the USA makes a few mistakes, it's still a better policy than housing murderous thugs for years and years while they play off people's sympathy."

I agree to that. Ironically, the people who complain it costs too much are the people who drive up the cost by filing constant appeals.

[Seamoth]

It could be legit, but how can we tell the difference?

The truly repentant want to get their just punishment.

[enraged]

"I agree to that. Ironically, the people who complain it costs too much are the people who drive up the cost by filing constant appeals."

Good observation

[P-Marlowe]

Convicted murderer and Crips founder, Stanley "Tookie" Williams, set to be executed Dec. 13, has used his prison time to write books urging children to stay out of gangs, among other peace-preaching efforts. Should clemency be given to deathrow inmates who pursue such activities?
Yes	12	(7.06%)
No	158	(92.94%)

[Darnright]

Three words:

Karla

Fay

Tucker

[libertyman]

I just voted for NO clemency. I also wrote the comment that we should expand the death penalty to include other horrendous crimes & make his execution public!

[facedown]

Convicted murderer and Crips founder, Stanley "Tookie" Williams, set to be executed Dec. 13, has used his prison time to write books urging children to stay out of gangs, among other peace-preaching efforts. Should clemency be given to deathrow inmates who pursue such activities?
Yes	13	(7.14%)
No	169	(92.86%)

[dfwgator]

Took, Took, Tookie Goodbye
Took, Took, Tookie Just Die...

[JIM O]

If he is truly remorseful for his previous crimes God will forgive him after the execution.

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Amen!

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I think we made our point!

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The libs should be waking up around now.

[trisham]

Convicted murderer and Crips founder, Stanley "Tookie" Williams, set to be executed Dec. 13, has used his prison time to write books urging children to stay out of gangs, among other peace-preaching efforts. Should clemency be given to deathrow inmates who pursue such activities?
Yes 19 (8.88%)
No 195 (91.12%)

[evets]

Life is short.

Rot in hell, Tookie.

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Nicely put.

[CodeToad]

No. His work since being in jail is a result of his being in jail, not his personal desire to change. He would not have made the change is he had not been jailed. His final demonstration to children that murder is not a good thing is to be executed for being a murderer.

[Redcloak]

Tookie had better hope that Schwarzenegger isn't reading this poll!

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That's the best answer I've read yet. Thank you.

[Spiff]

Not only should Tookie be executed, but is unfortunate that we can't execute him 4 times, once for each of his murder victims.

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That's right. An eye for an eye.

[al baby]

set beeber to kill