Skip to comments.THAT TURKEY IS MARXIST.
Posted on 11/23/2005 5:46:38 PM PST by GladesGuru
THAT TURKEY IS MARXIST.
The first Thanksgiving was not at all what most Americans have been taught. The Indians didnt make the difference between starvation and plenty for the Pilgrims in what they called Ye Plimouth Colonie.
What really made the critical difference between that first year, which Governor Bradford called The Starving Winter, and the year of the first Thanksgiving? This critical factor lies at the heart of the American experiment in government. Yet virtually none of the present American population knows about the real reason behind the first Thanksgiving.
I was a double major in college and one of my majors was history. But I didnt hear about this critical moment in American history from my professors. And there is a reason that they didnt tell me about this critical factor, but Ill return to this later.
One thanksgiving season back in my college days when I was talking about what I had learned in my courses in American history with my girl friend, it happened. She listened to me until I had run down, so to speak, then she quietly said It wasnt that way at all.
And how would a psychology major know more than my history professors? I asked. Mary was a small, quiet, very pretty blonde, with blue eyes and a very sweet and (fortunately for both myself and you, Gentle Readers) a very forbearing personality.
She smiled and said One of my ancestors signed the Compact. She meant the Mayflower Compact, of course. I deflated my ego and began to listen to what she said.
The Mayflower Compact was a document that established a religious society where all labored together, and each would share in what they produced. Many generations in the future, Marx would blabber about a society based upon a slightly different iteration of socialism - from each according to his ability, to each according to his need. But Marys ancestor in Ye Plimoth Colonie suffered the inevitable consequences of socialism long before Marx was born.
Mary was, of course, a member of the Daughters of the American Revolution. When I went to meet her parents, in Arlington, I slept in the guest room in the simple wood frame bed with rope supports under a feather mattress.
You guessed it, the bed frame was an antique (her ancestors bed, as a matter of fact), as was the mattress. No, the feathers probably werent all original. Yes, feather beds arent very comfortable by modern standards. No, her ancestor didnt die that winter, but he certainly was afraid he might, because even though the bed was warm, there was little heat and less food.
That winter, the Starving Winter socialism killed one third of all the Pilgrims. The women and children suffered most. But Mary told me something that made the horror of that first Winter of Socialism come alive in a way that has never left my mind.
Mary also told me that there were stories among the old families that one of the men who survived the Starving Winter, when he buried his wife, didnt bury quite all of her. Hunger was , all too real that winter.
She was quietly emphatic that I needed to read Bradford, and had a copy which she had brought to college with her. She showed me his description of how he had given to each man a parcel of land for that man to farm himself. Bradford thus changed the his colony, and the America that was yet to be, from a communal society to a society of individuals - property owning individuals.
Under the Mayflower Compact, that fateful first year in the New World, all land had been farmed as a community. But communal farming had not produced enough to sustain the Pilgrims. People were so hungry that starvation killed many. And one man didnt bury quite all of his wife, remember?
Community - commune - communism. The Pilgrims tried it, they didnt like it, and according to Governor Bradford, they abandoned it.
The increased productivity which resulted from abandoning socialism in favor of individual property led, according to Bradford, in a surplus of food. That surplus is what made the first Thanksgiving possible. Bradford was quite clear about that.
Which brings us to the point I said I would return to - why hadnt I heard about this in my history classes? Why had my parents paid for what turned out to be shallow, revisionist history courses, as simplistic in their propagandizing as a Disney cartoon? Why was the most radical (and successful) experiment in the government of men not properly described and discussed?
The answer is at once simple and exceeding complex. It was not that I had attended a state subsidized school where I had gotten what my parents paid for, not at all. The University, which shall remain nameless out of charity, charged some 80% of the tuition at Harvard. But the Ivy League school to which I had won a scholarship (which I declined), was even more dedicated to revisionist history.
My mothers graduate study was at Columbia Universitys Teachers College, which has been the preeminent school of education in America for generations. There, in the hallowed halls, and lying on the immense shelves of the Columbia University libraries, deeply hidden from public view lay the answer.
John Dewey had made Teachers College into the leading center of American educator education. But it was not teaching that which was historically American. Deweys curriculum was based on something very different from the Founding Documents. No longer were the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution, and the Bill of Rights carefully studied as the core concepts of America.
Dewey had been to Russia and had been shown a Potemkin village. This was a fake peasant village wherein all were leading the wonderful life made possible under the new world of Communism. All that dwelt therein were actors, even the animals. And the price of a bad performance was either Siberia or execution.
The village was not a real one, it was a set where a carefully scripted performance took place, and the rest of a cruelly suffering Russia supported the life style Dewey was seeing.
Not surprisingly, Dewey believed he was seeing the future. So did a whole generation of Western intellectuals from George Bernard Shaw on. This period is when Hollywood began to morph into Hollyweird as those sympathetic to what we now call Communism became producers, directors, script writers, and actresses and actors. Dewey was not the only sucker to fall for the Party Line.
He returned bubbling with enthusiasm for the new group man and made this a central aspect of curriculum studies at Teachers College, Columbia.University.
Americas educators no longer taught the traditional, historically proven values of individual responsibility, private ownership, and Unalienable Rights. Generations later, my professors didnt teach me the basic historic facts of what had happened in Ye Plymothe Colonie as Governor Bradford called it, of the Starving Winter, or of the derivation of Thanksgiving because they hadnt been taught them either.
That the most important lesson learned by Marys ancestor on the shores of Massachusetts Bay, socialism will kill you, is no longer taught should disturb you. As Paul Johnson said in his book A History Of The American People should this experiment in government fail, that which will follow will be unspeakably worse.
Given that Communism killed somewhere over 100,000,000 people in the name of the new group man Johnson would seem to have a point.
Summation: Lest Marys ancestor, and the rest of the Pilgrims suffered the horrors of the Starving Winter in vain, learn for yourself, and teach to your children, the core American concepts enshrined in the Founding documents. They are unique in the history of Man.
Right now, in a school, college, or university near you, Americas educators are teaching a curriculum more Marxist than American. It is time to muck the Marxism and the Marxist faculty out of the stable which Americas educational establishment has become.
As Governor Bradford said, individual ownership of land resulted in the crop surplus that made possible the first Thanksgiving.
I can't find the article on the link.
What a stretch.
I think this article is a turkey.
For whatever reasons, there is a gut-level urge to collectivism, Marxism, Communism, etc when a society's existence is threatened. Yes, that would include the urge to raise taxes in a "soak the rich" campaign.
This sort of collectivism does work... but only if it is voluntary. In other words, it's the old addage that "if we all work together then we'll all get thru this." We pitch in, help our neighbor, feed the poor, care for the sick, etc.
However, when one is forced by law to give up all that they have to give to those who are undermotivated to do all that they can do then the system falls apart quickly.
Besides, among the immoralities of Socialism (Communism, colletivism, etc) is that we are no longer free moral agents. We MUST be our brother's keeper, whether we like it or not. Unfortunately, for an act to be either moral or immoral the individual will be a free moral agent, and in such a system, one cannot be a free moral agent. In other words, "good works" are not good when we're forced to do them. Mankind, therefore, cannot be moral under the "isms".
Above URL has the truth about the Pilgrims first year.
The American socialist experiment
By Charles F. Wickwire
web posted September 2, 2002
On November 11, 1620, the Mayflower landed at Plymouth Rock. The ship lay at anchor until March, the pilgrims living onboard while permanent housing was being built. When the Mayflower finally left, 27 adults and 23 children were left of the 102 people who set out across the ocean. Their governor was William Bradford and under his leadership, these first Americans began to make a new life in the New World.
What very few Americans today know is this very first colony on the shores of America started out as a socialist colony. The Pilgrims at Plymouth set up a common store that worked on the principle of "From Each According To His Ability - To Each According To His Need". Everything that the colony produced was placed in the common store and was then distributed out as needed.
For two years the colony worked to create a socialist Utopia but even with an additional 30 settlers who arrived a year after the Mayflower, the colony barely survived. Each winter the colonist would go hungry being reduced to rations of a quarter pound of bread at times. Governor Bradford relates his experiences concerning the socialist state he had helped to create:
Better URL with quotes from Governor Bradford.
Bet you didn't know they picked Plymouth Rock because they ran out of beer.
Another thing about the Boston Tea Party, it was the second and smaller than the one in Delaware.
Learn something new every day.
You are welcome. I love history trivia, thanks for the addition.
I had forgotten about this. Thanks for recounting it. Very apropos.
Didnt they also arrive too late for planting a crop in the New England climate?
My wife just made a couple gallons of chicken soup for tomorrow.
My wife just made a couple gallons of chicken soup for tomorrow.
Wise woman. Chickensoup is the best...if I say so myself!
The kids are grown now, but they still think we are supposed to have chx soup for the main holidays. They always request it when they come home.
I'm pretty sure I was never taught this. Thanks for the link. I'm going to be sure all 3 of my sons read it as well, because if I wasn't taught it, I'm SURE they weren't!
Ha, this is our first Thanksgiving with no children or family here, so we are having.....LOBSTER!
There was a while when several of us related families would get together for Thanksgiving and eat at a restaurant instead of cooking. I always ordered prime rib. The lobster sounds great!
We smoked a turkey two days ago, will be eating that soon. Having sauerkraut as well.
We thought about going out instead, but gosh, who can pass up lobster! Plus, hubby is doing most of the cooking anyway! I'm baking bread, making the salad and dessert (apple turnovers). The rest is on him!
I do love turkey and smoked is the best way to eat it. I haven't ever tried the deep fried turkey tho, it sounds wonderful as well.
I much prefer it at home!
I never tried the deep fried turkey either, but it's everyone seems to rave over it.
Other FReepers posted good links, as well. And at Thanksgiving dinner, my friend (a history teacher) told me that the Captain of the Mayflower had taken a bribe to drop the Pilgrims off in Massachusetts rather than Virginia.
Seems the Massachusetts Company wanted people and payed a bribe to the Captain.
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