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College Grads Who Are Illegal Immigrants Face Barren Job Market
New York Sun ^ | November 22, 2005 | DANIELA GERSON

Posted on 11/23/2005 7:38:49 PM PST by ConservativeStatement

Each year, thousands of New York City students earn college degrees and yet have no possibility of finding work. The reason is not a lack of job offers, but because they are illegal immigrants.

"We have people who graduate at the top of their classes and they can't get jobs," the director of the City University of New York's Citizenship and Immigration Project, Allan Wernick, said yesterday at a City Council hearing. By recent counts, he said, there are 3,000 undocumented students in the CUNY system. Nationally, 65,000 illegal immigrant students are thought to graduate from high school each year.

(Excerpt) Read more at nysun.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; US: New York
KEYWORDS: aliens; college; education; illegalimmigrants; illegalimmigration; immigrantlist; newyorkcity; nyc
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They are illegal!
1 posted on 11/23/2005 7:38:51 PM PST by ConservativeStatement
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To: MassRepublicanFlyersFan

Well....DUH!


2 posted on 11/23/2005 7:39:31 PM PST by goodnesswins (We would have WON in Vietnam, without Dim interference.)
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To: MassRepublicanFlyersFan

Like that's a bad thing.


3 posted on 11/23/2005 7:40:08 PM PST by perfect stranger
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To: MassRepublicanFlyersFan

Maybe they should take their degrees back to their home country. Bet they could find jobs THERE.


4 posted on 11/23/2005 7:40:37 PM PST by conservative cat
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To: MassRepublicanFlyersFan

So all the push to give them instate tuition is all for nothing.....


5 posted on 11/23/2005 7:41:14 PM PST by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: MassRepublicanFlyersFan

They haven't gone back home to help their homeland become a paradise?


6 posted on 11/23/2005 7:41:41 PM PST by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: MassRepublicanFlyersFan

Perhaps because Federal law provides for serious penalties for companies that employ illegals.....


7 posted on 11/23/2005 7:41:43 PM PST by Gay State Conservative
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To: MassRepublicanFlyersFan

Boo frickin' hoo.


8 posted on 11/23/2005 7:43:54 PM PST by satchmodog9 ( Seventy million spent on the lefts Christmas present and all they got was a Scooter)
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To: MassRepublicanFlyersFan

Wonder how many millions of dollars in federal grant money it took to reach this conclusion.


9 posted on 11/23/2005 7:44:45 PM PST by hsalaw
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To: MassRepublicanFlyersFan; AZRepublican; flashbunny; Stellar Dendrite; kellynla; ARCADIA; ...
By recent counts, he said, there are 3,000 undocumented students in the CUNY system. Nationally, 65,000 illegal immigrant students are thought to graduate from high school each year.

If we know this, in a time of war, why are they still here??

10 posted on 11/23/2005 7:44:55 PM PST by DTogo (I haven't left the GOP, the GOP left me.)
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To: MassRepublicanFlyersFan
Yep. Its insane we educate them at taxpayer expense and then seek to reward them with jobs that should go to law-abiding Americans. Does that set up sound fair to you?

(Denny Crane: "I Don't Want To Socialize With A Pinko Liberal Democrat Commie.Say What You Like About Republicans. We Stick To Our Convictions. Even When We Know We're Dead Wrong.")

11 posted on 11/23/2005 7:46:50 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: MassRepublicanFlyersFan
Need a new congressional mandate to make them "legal" when they get their degree! I am sure I have some congressmen down here in AZ that would (or already have) sponsor such a bill! The local Arizona Repulsive is always whining about how badly we treat these precious young people who only want a good job - I want to puke. What is stopping a 24 year old from applying for legal citizenship? He has had many years to do it so I won't buy any of that crap that it is the illegal parent's problem. For crying out loud we have Congressmen who want to let these illegals pay in-state tuition at America's Universities - outrageous. Bush better get on this situation - this is one I don't like his response on. As far as Chirtof saying he is going to round them up and deport - NEVER HAPPEN. He has already backed off from that pronouncement.
12 posted on 11/23/2005 7:48:10 PM PST by p23185 (Why isn't attempting to take down a sitting Pres & his Admin considered Sedition?)
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To: MassRepublicanFlyersFan
What,no doubt, those who will set up a plea for these people, is to ignore this fact. If they do get a job, where there is a surplus of applicants, then they will DISPLACE a citizen.

A bitter pill to swallow, for any would be job applicant who has proper citizenship- or legal immigrant status.

13 posted on 11/23/2005 7:50:50 PM PST by Peter Libra
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To: MassRepublicanFlyersFan

yet have no possibility of finding work.
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This is false. Most illegal immigrants come from places with fewer per capita college grads than the US. They may just have to work where they are legal.


14 posted on 11/23/2005 7:51:27 PM PST by JLS
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To: JLS

Bump


15 posted on 11/23/2005 7:54:25 PM PST by BlueSky194
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To: MassRepublicanFlyersFan

Instead of going after Wal-Mart, they should just visit that school and round up 65,000 in one day.


16 posted on 11/23/2005 7:56:10 PM PST by systematic
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To: MassRepublicanFlyersFan

I'd feel just soooo bad for them, except that they've leached off of our society for their entire lives. They've probably pushed thousands of their classmates out of the way for "emergency room" visits, public school placement, summer jobs, and all the while collected welfare as anchor babies for their criminal parents.

Let 'em beg on the corner and starve for all I care. It's better than they deserve.


17 posted on 11/23/2005 7:57:37 PM PST by lastmanstanding
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To: MassRepublicanFlyersFan
"We have people who graduate at the top of their classes and they can't get jobs . . ."

There's one enormous caveat that I should point out here. Graduating at the top of your class in the CUNY system is sort of like being the smartest radio host on Air America.

18 posted on 11/23/2005 7:57:57 PM PST by Alberta's Child (What it all boils down to is that no one's really got it figured out just yet.)
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To: MassRepublicanFlyersFan

Well jeez, moron (author of the piece), there's a VERY simple solution:

Get freakin' LEGAL..................good lord...........(eyes rolling)


19 posted on 11/23/2005 7:59:07 PM PST by RightOnline
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To: Alberta's Child

Yeah, I was going to say that, too.

I think if you have a commie state school teacher who is going to give you A's and push you to the front just to romanticize about you over a joint to a reporter that should be taken into account as well!!!


20 posted on 11/23/2005 8:01:10 PM PST by lastmanstanding (PLAME WAS A SECRETARY, NOTJAMES BOND! Let Libby go free.)
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To: MassRepublicanFlyersFan

So judging from the title they do realize they are illegal yet they want them employed. Liberal lunacy.


21 posted on 11/23/2005 8:05:22 PM PST by ConservativeChinese (I'm a Chinese, no affirmative action needed, thank you.)
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To: MassRepublicanFlyersFan

These are illegals going through our educational system, at taxpayers expense.
But a degree does not make one legal.
They can't find jobs, but they found and filled a place while doing their studies thereby blocking a legal resident from getting a degree.
Now comes the job market and any company hiring illegals sooner or later gets caught or is turned in to the INS.
Business losses amount to wasted training costs, hiring all over again, plus fines.
There are a certain amount of jobs, if illegals get placed, legals will be sitting dry.
Yes, jobs need to go to legals.





22 posted on 11/23/2005 8:06:32 PM PST by hermgem
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To: MassRepublicanFlyersFan
I believe they have taken advantage of this country long enough.

Go the hell home.

23 posted on 11/23/2005 8:07:05 PM PST by teenyelliott (Soylent green should be made outta liberals...)
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To: DTogo

because we're obligated to give them the best education our tax dollars can buy!!!

Haven't you heard? It's in the constitution!!


24 posted on 11/23/2005 8:11:05 PM PST by flashbunny (To err is human. But to really screw something up, have the government try to fix it.)
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To: MassRepublicanFlyersFan
There are lies and then there are damn lies, I think the military is ready to give any of them a job yesterday.
25 posted on 11/23/2005 8:11:15 PM PST by org.whodat
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To: MassRepublicanFlyersFan

BTTT


26 posted on 11/23/2005 8:12:53 PM PST by CyberAnt ( I believe Congressman Curt Weldon re Able Danger)
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To: MassRepublicanFlyersFan

CUNY is a dirty PC diaper in the world of education.


27 posted on 11/23/2005 8:17:39 PM PST by Chickensoup (Turk...turk...turk....turk....turk...turkey!!!!!!)
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To: MassRepublicanFlyersFan

No es mi problemo. America is my house. Get out of my house! Get out of my country! Get out of the sovereign nation of the United Sates of America! America is my house, not your's.


28 posted on 11/23/2005 8:20:50 PM PST by dennisw (You shouldn't let other people get your kicks for you - Bob Dylan)
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To: MassRepublicanFlyersFan
They are illegal!

BINGO!! That makes it a Federal crime to hire them!

29 posted on 11/23/2005 8:21:23 PM PST by RebelBanker (If you can't do something smart, do something right.)
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To: lastmanstanding
I think if you have a commie state school teacher who is going to give you A's and push you to the front just to romanticize about you over a joint to a reporter that should be taken into account as well!!!

90% of the time it's a female reporter given the assignment of writing the day's illegal immigrant sob story

30 posted on 11/23/2005 8:23:12 PM PST by dennisw (You shouldn't let other people get your kicks for you - Bob Dylan)
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To: MassRepublicanFlyersFan

AAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWwwwwwwwwww...poor baby. We be ashamed for not rewarding your bad behavior.


31 posted on 11/23/2005 8:26:18 PM PST by Doctor Raoul (Raoul's First Law of Journalism: BIAS = LAYOFFS)
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To: MassRepublicanFlyersFan
The reason is not a lack of job offers, but because they are illegal immigrants.

Gee, maybe correcting that issue would solve the problem.

Talk about a tempest in a teapot!

How does an illegal immigrant get admitted to an American college anyway?

Maybe the admissions board could make some sort of determination of citizenship/immigration status BEFORE approving the admission?

Just a thought...

32 posted on 11/23/2005 8:26:33 PM PST by sargon (How could anyone have voted for the socialist, weak-on-defense fraud named John Kerry?)
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To: MassRepublicanFlyersFan
Last I saw, there was plenty of job's out there!


33 posted on 11/23/2005 8:29:03 PM PST by austinmark ("May the Flea's of a Thousand Camels Nest in ALLAH's Pubic Hair" !!!)
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To: MassRepublicanFlyersFan
By recent counts, he said, there are 3,000 undocumented students in the CUNY system.

So the universities should be fined 3000 times for breaking the law and the illegals should be deported immediately and made to pay back ANY and ALL government assistance they might have received to go to school and live here. I'm tired of paying for foreigners to take my job and my country away, ENOUGH!

PS. If these illegals are so smart, they shouldn't have any problems getting a job OUTSIDE of the USA. India is hiring programmers left and right.

34 posted on 11/23/2005 8:32:25 PM PST by SwordofTruth (God is good all the time.)
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To: MassRepublicanFlyersFan

Does Gerson think anybody who is sane cares about these criminal invaders?


35 posted on 11/23/2005 8:37:56 PM PST by isrul
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To: MassRepublicanFlyersFan

how many of the illegals are professors?


36 posted on 11/23/2005 8:40:40 PM PST by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestu s globus, inflammare animos)
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To: MassRepublicanFlyersFan

If they are Islamic and have engineering degrees, thre is probably a career waiting for them back home in the explosives field (sarcasm)


37 posted on 11/23/2005 8:41:26 PM PST by ZULU (Fear the government which fears your guns. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: USNBandit
So all the push to give them instate tuition is all for nothing....

I wondered the same thing. Farm and construction bosses may be able to get by w/o questioning new employees, but the white collar jobs these kids want will all require proof of the ability to work in this country.

Why let these kids get a US education, at in-state rates, when they can't show they are here legally?

Here's something I've been thinking about. Let's say you've got a sizable crop of illegals w/college degrees. Will white collar employers start acting like construction crews and turn a blind eye to forged documents and hire these kids at cheaper rates than US kids? The illegals need a job and can't really complain.

Right now, hispanics do not attend college in large numbers (and yes, I'm picking on hispanic illegals since they seem to be a bigger problem than other groups). But this could change. Considering their overall numbers in the population, could illegals w/degrees start affecting the job market for recent grads? Just wondering.

38 posted on 11/23/2005 8:45:19 PM PST by radiohead (Proud member of the 'arrogant supermagt')
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To: systematic

Yep, Thats what i was thinking. Legal immigration is fine. Most of our ancestors, including mine, came here legally and did everything by the books. These illegals make me sick.

To all you illegals- The US does not own your A DAMN THING. Come here legally and do things the right way and then mabey you will have a better chance of 'making it in life'. Dont b!itch and complain when you break the law and choose to come here illegally and cant find the level of work you want because you have to pay taxes. You make me sick.


39 posted on 11/23/2005 8:48:40 PM PST by BigTom85 (Proud Gun Owner and Member of NRA)
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To: MassRepublicanFlyersFan

And the problem here is...what?


40 posted on 11/23/2005 9:12:30 PM PST by rlmorel ("Innocence seldom utters outraged shrieks. Guilt does." Whittaker Chambers)
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To: MassRepublicanFlyersFan

They can thank Mom and Dad for bringing them here illegally and screwing them in the job market.AWB


41 posted on 11/23/2005 9:19:07 PM PST by Americanwolfsbrother (Don't hate on someone for using their mind.)
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To: radiohead
"Why let these kids get a US education, at in-state rates, when they can't show they are here legally?"

Heh heh..it's like.. so that politicians can be liked by the voting-Mexican-American-Latino-Hispanic population.... or something... Heh heh.


42 posted on 11/23/2005 9:24:34 PM PST by monkapotamus
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To: MassRepublicanFlyersFan

Maybe I should go to... I don't know, Elbonia. I'll go there illegally and I'm sure I'll find a college that will place me in a degree program for free. And I will demand that they teach me in English because I feel "entitled" to use only English even when I am in a non-English speaking country. And I expect that I will automatically be offered a good job at great pay when I graduate. I expect the Elbonian taxpayers will gladly subsidize me and I will be given preferential treatment all the way. I feel I'm entitled to this as a matter of "social justice."


43 posted on 11/23/2005 9:26:36 PM PST by Wilhelm Tell (True or False? This is not a tag line.)
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To: MassRepublicanFlyersFan

How in the world did they get into college?


44 posted on 11/23/2005 9:29:52 PM PST by carton253 (Al-Qa'eda are not the Viet Cong. If you exit, they'll follow. And Americans will die...)
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To: MassRepublicanFlyersFan

I bet they could get great jobs if they only went back to where they came from.


45 posted on 11/23/2005 9:31:20 PM PST by thoughtomator (What'ya mean you formatted the cat!?)
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To: MassRepublicanFlyersFan

They could go home and get a job and work to make their own country a better place. Whine, snivel, play the victim.


46 posted on 11/23/2005 9:34:24 PM PST by tkathy (Ban the headscarf. (All religious headdress). The effect will creat a huge domino effect..)
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To: SwordofTruth

Your comment reminds me of a problem the university I worked for faced several years ago. It was a religious university which accepted a lot of foreign students and granted church money to support them, beyond that granted to US citizens. The idea was that these foreign students would get a good education, return to their homelands and make our church organizations in that nation, and the nation itself, a better place for everyone. The problem was, a lot of these foreign students were marrying US citizens and then, of course, not going back to the homeland. The program was being frustrated.

One of the administrators asked me what could be done. Without doing a lot of research on the legalities, I posited that perhaps the university could extend financial help to foreign students with the proviso that it was a loan if they stayed in the US, but it would be forgiven if they returned to their homelands and stayed there for a minimum number of years. That way, no one was forced to leave the country but they had to repay the church's money spent on their behalf if they stayed here.

I have no idea if the university followed through because I left shortly after that, but I think it should, if possible, apply here: go home and you get to take your taxpayer education with you. Stay here and be prepared to repay us. And then give them a short period of time to decide or repayment happens automatically.

Probably not workable, but one can dream, can't one?


47 posted on 11/23/2005 9:40:40 PM PST by caseinpoint (Don't get thickly involved in thin things.)
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To: monkapotamus
so that politicians can be liked by the voting-Mexican-American-Latino-Hispanic population

Sad. I like to think better of politicians, pretend they are actually interested in the public good, but then I always slap myself for doing so.

48 posted on 11/23/2005 10:11:22 PM PST by radiohead (Proud member of the 'arrogant supermagt')
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To: 1_Inch_Group; 2sheep; 2Trievers; 3AngelaD; 4Freedom; 4ourprogeny; 7.62 x 51mm; A CA Guy; ...

ping


49 posted on 11/23/2005 10:22:22 PM PST by gubamyster
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To: teenyelliott

Now, THAT was special teenelliott! :)


50 posted on 11/23/2005 10:29:17 PM PST by LNewman
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