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FAITH UNDER FIRE Plot to burn Christians thwarted (Thank the Lord)
WorldNetDaily.com ^ | November 24, 2005 | WorldNetDaily.com

Posted on 11/24/2005 5:17:16 AM PST by Jacob Kell

Police in northern India thwarted a plot by Hindu extremists who threatened to burn to death more than 60 Christian converts if they refused to return to Hinduism by Sunday.

Members of a Christian movement called Believers Church met peacefully Sunday in the state of Himachal Pradesh, according to Compass Direct, a news service that monitors persecution of Christians.

"We were able to meet without incident," said Ramish Masih Battih, the son of Pastor Feroz Masih.

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This is definetely something to be thankful for today.
1 posted on 11/24/2005 5:17:17 AM PST by Jacob Kell
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To: Jacob Kell

I didn't realize there were Hindu extremists. So now we not only have to worry about Muslim extremists but Hindus also? Wonder what the Christian extremists have been up to? Oh, never mind - they've been trying to get a conservative justice on the SC. Violent, aren't they?


2 posted on 11/24/2005 5:22:23 AM PST by mlc9852
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To: Jacob Kell

I don't know where WND gets its news from. But from past experience, especially regarding the article recently on the massacre of Christians, where the WND reporter made the serious blunder of mistaking Pakistan for India, the sources seem dubious.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1521542/posts


3 posted on 11/24/2005 5:26:21 AM PST by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: Jacob Kell
Our GOD R-E-I-G-N-S!!!!!

Gloria, GLoria, GLORIA--In Excelsis DEO!!!

4 posted on 11/24/2005 5:30:13 AM PST by ExcursionGuy84 ("Jesus, Your Love takes my breath away.")
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To: All

dang the hindis are taking a page out of the muzzies book. I expect better out of them


5 posted on 11/24/2005 5:33:47 AM PST by Kewlhand`tek
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To: Jacob Kell

Maybe they could have a bbq and talk their problems ou over some hamburgers. lol


6 posted on 11/24/2005 5:37:43 AM PST by southernerwithanattitude (new and improved redneck)
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To: mlc9852

hahah!! Thats a great little paragraph.


7 posted on 11/24/2005 5:39:12 AM PST by HHKrepublican_2 (OP Spread the Truth)
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To: southernerwithanattitude

And the Muslims could join in and have some barbecue pork!


8 posted on 11/24/2005 5:40:43 AM PST by mlc9852
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To: Jacob Kell

Instead of Christians sending money and missionalries to the Sudan, India and other Christian hating nations, maybe we should be sending Christians in those countries GUNS, AMMO, ...


9 posted on 11/24/2005 5:47:41 AM PST by john_baldacci_is_a_commie
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To: Cronos; swarthyguy; Gengis Khan

Pinggg...


10 posted on 11/24/2005 5:54:09 AM PST by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: Jacob Kell
Here's a gift for our Hindu friends
11 posted on 11/24/2005 6:04:42 AM PST by DogBarkTree
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To: CarrotAndStick
This is reliable - from several sources, including Persecution org. Sadly news just through that the 3 Sunday School teachers in Indonesia have lost their appeal against 3 year jail terms. It is Jesus they are persecuting.

http://www.persecution.org/newsite/index.php
12 posted on 11/24/2005 6:13:22 AM PST by vimto (Life isn't a dry run)
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To: vimto

I don't know. I haven't heard anything about this from any reputable Indian/ International source, notwithstanding the blunder WND committed, which I mentioned earlier.

This should have been big news in India, especially with the police being involved.

By the way, India's ruling party has a Roman Catholic as its president.


13 posted on 11/24/2005 6:19:49 AM PST by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: CarrotAndStick

I was told the other day that India has the only Baptist state in the world. Is that true?


14 posted on 11/24/2005 6:33:28 AM PST by vimto (Life isn't a dry run)
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To: mlc9852

Hindus? I also thought that they were harmless...wrong but harmless.


15 posted on 11/24/2005 6:37:29 AM PST by Mogollon (Contempt prior to investigation assures Everlasting Ignorance)
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To: vimto

No way! Maybe a state with a majority of its populace adhering to the Baptist faith, but not so in the official, political sense. India's constitution forbids religious demarcation, even if based on Hinduism. Note India has a terse relation with the world's only officially Hindu nation- Nepal, inspite of its "Hindu majority".

India has secular laws, and any attempt to associate into a religion-based separatist entity will be treated as treason/ rebellion to the Indian State, and will be put down. The Indian states of Goa and Nagaland have sizable Christian populations. Although Goa is peaceful, a change in religious composition of the tiny north-east state of Nagaland is linked to the allegation that the Church is funding an attempt at seccession from the Union. Please note, this is an allegation, so you do the research to understand better.


16 posted on 11/24/2005 6:57:35 AM PST by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: Jacob Kell; sukhoi-30mki; Cronos; CarrotAndStick; razoroccam; Arjun; samsonite; Bombay Bloke; ...

Another piece of anti-Hindu garbage ping!

.....straight from the very same (anti-Hindu) WorldNutDaily that reported events happening in Pakistan as happening in India. This is just another of WND's tirade of lies and slander of Hindus.


17 posted on 11/24/2005 10:21:56 AM PST by Gengis Khan
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To: mlc9852; HHKrepublican_2; Gengis Khan; All

Very likely this article is not based in fact. It is based on emails and one Christian news service. In order to be taken seriously, there needs to be another source. WND gets it wrong about Hinduism and India. There have been more than several articles claiming that Hindus have harassed Christians in India, when the reality was that MUSLIMS were doing the harassing, in PAKISTAN.

Hindus and Muslims are not the same at all, and Hindus suffered terribly for hundreds of years at the cruel hands of Muslims. Rape, looting, slavery, mass slaughter, forced conversion - all at the hands of Muslim invaders.


18 posted on 11/24/2005 10:37:50 AM PST by little jeremiah
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To: MSCASEY; Dr. Eckleburg; Moorings

Pardon me for pinging you all to yet another piece of anti-Hindu BS from the very same WND.


19 posted on 11/24/2005 10:37:58 AM PST by Gengis Khan
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To: john_baldacci_is_a_commie

India is not a Christian hating country. So many people have very, very little knowledge of India. If you want to see some Christian hating countries, focus on ones like Saudi Arabia, Indonesia, and other Muslim countries where they behead and torture Christains right and left. Or China, where they are imprisoned.

India has had Christians since one of the Apostles went there almost 2000 years ago. There were Christians in India before there were Christians in Europe.


20 posted on 11/24/2005 10:42:47 AM PST by little jeremiah
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To: Gengis Khan

Glad to see you have gained some compassion for people. As I said earlier I hope most Hindus are not as uncaring and cruel as you are. You are puffed up and pridefull. This is not about any anti-hindu it is about helping and caring for a fellow human beings. You do not speak well for Hindu's if this is the attitude that they have.

Ms. Casey's Daughter


21 posted on 11/24/2005 11:06:52 AM PST by MSCASEY (Our God is an Awesome God! Please come soon Lord.)
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To: Jacob Kell

Thanks for posting this. I had was busy baking pies.

Here is another thread and a prayer thread. I had posted this before it became public by other sources.

Ms. Casey's Daughter


22 posted on 11/24/2005 11:10:38 AM PST by MSCASEY (Our God is an Awesome God! Please come soon Lord.)
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To: MSCASEY

Yeah whatever.

The fact is this article and the whole website (WND) is plain rubbish.


23 posted on 11/24/2005 11:16:40 AM PST by Gengis Khan
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To: mlc9852

These incidents will be coming to America in the not too distant future.


24 posted on 11/24/2005 11:18:05 AM PST by Free Baptist
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To: little jeremiah
And people who are Christians that live there are also wrong too. I guess the Australian missionary and his two sons 8 and 10 years old were not really burned alive either.

Maybe you should get VOM and see what is going on. Some have eyes but do not see and have ears but do not hear, sounds like you are one of them.

Turn your back on the persecuted Christians and God will turn His back on you until you soften your hardened heart.

I know you say that you are a Christian but your lack of compassion, understanding, discernment seem to suggest that your heart is far from the Lord!

Ms. Casey's Daughter
25 posted on 11/24/2005 11:18:31 AM PST by MSCASEY (Our God is an Awesome God! Please come soon Lord.)
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To: MSCASEY

"This is not about any anti-hindu is about helping and caring ........ "

I still have with me your anti-Hindu comments Lady.


26 posted on 11/24/2005 11:19:50 AM PST by Gengis Khan
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To: little jeremiah

"India is not a Christian hating country."

This does not mean, of course, that there are not very large and strong religious elements within China who are willing to murder Christians and others "in defense of their religion." Just as in this reported incident, police intervention was required. It was on time in this case. It has not been in time in other documented cases in recent years.


27 posted on 11/24/2005 11:21:32 AM PST by Free Baptist
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To: vimto

I have heard about that. I am going to send them letters in jail. I need to do that this weekend. I got the prisoner list from VOM and we want to start sending letters at least once a week. Sit down as a family and write. I think it would be good for the kids.

Do you have the list? It is something we can do to ease their pain. So simple but to them it means allot.

Ms. Casey's Daughter


28 posted on 11/24/2005 11:22:52 AM PST by MSCASEY (Our God is an Awesome God! Please come soon Lord.)
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To: CarrotAndStick

WorldNetDaily is just like our IndiaDaily except that its Christian. LOL!


29 posted on 11/24/2005 11:25:16 AM PST by Gengis Khan
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To: vimto

A "Baptist STATE" in India?! A "Baptist state" is an oxymoron (Did I spell this correctly?). Historical Baptist distinctives include strict non-entanglement between churches and civil government, at least in these regards. If this is confirmed to be the case, those "Baptists" have denied their distinctives. But then, many have, even here in the USA. I would say that any Baptists here who accept government money in so-called faith-based initiatives (e.g.) have denied their historical Baptist distinctives.


30 posted on 11/24/2005 11:28:59 AM PST by Free Baptist
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To: little jeremiah

Sorry, I said "China" in another response, rather than India. That's because that's where my mind and heart are at this moment...have been speaking in several venues on the underground Christian house church movement.


31 posted on 11/24/2005 11:31:07 AM PST by Free Baptist
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To: little jeremiah
India is not a Christian hating country. So many people have very, very little knowledge of India

Evangelist in India Receives Death Warrant for Not Leaving His Ministry September 23, 2005 The Voice of the Martyrs - Michael F. Haverluck For spreading the Good News in Devanoor, a village in Southern India, 24-year-old evangelist Zacriah was expelled from his village by radical Hindus and given a death warrant if he resumes his ministry there. Zacriah’s ministry started when he joined the Jesus Film Team in their outreach to Hindus in Southern India. Over the past four years, he has ministered in the poor and primitive Hindu village of Devanoor, which is near Shankarayanapuran in the district of Chickmaglur. Serving his small congregation of 15 to 20 members, the devoted evangelist has come under great attack by militant Hindus. These extremists demanded that Zacriah leave the village, located in the state of Karnataka, and not come back. Despite the expulsion order that he received from the radical Hindu group, Zacriah continued his prayer meeting. Because he has refused to comply with the expulsion order, the extremists have awarded him a death penalty. Intervening in this matter, the Global Council of Indian Christians (GCIC) has taking action to protect this bold soldier of Jesus Christ. Zacriah fears the Lord more than man and his death warrants, as he remains a stalwart of faith by his continued witness in a hostile area.

Please pray for Zacriah’s protection and for his continued bold witness.

If India is so peace loving why was there an anti-conversion law! Because of pressure by caring Christians not people like you the law was changed for now.

New Delhi, May. 21, 2004 (CWNews.com) - The defeat of India's ruling Hindu-nationalist coalition has had an echo in the southern Tamil Nadu state, as the local state government has said that it will scrap a controversial anti-conversion law that was enacted two years ago despite Christian protests.

This change of heart by the ruling AIDMAK (All India Anna Dravida Munnetra Kazhakam) party in Tamil Nadu follows the drubbing that AIADMK-- an ally of the Hindu nationalist BJP, which had led the national ruling coalition-- received in parliamentary elections, the results of which were announced last week. The AIADMK-BJP alliance lost all the 39 parliamentary seats from the state to the alliance led by the Congress Party, which generally enjoys the support of Christians and other minorities.

Oh here are some names and other places in India where persecution is taking place. And if you want more from other sources I will be happy to provide much more!!!

Christian Persecution in India Continues Attacks on Christians in India are continuing, a Christian persecution watchdog group reported yesterday following a recent report of violence in the northwestern Indian state of Rajasthan.

Posted: Saturday, March 5 , 2005, 22:52 (UK) Attacks on Christians in India are continuing, a Christian persecution watchdog group reported yesterday following a recent report of violence in the northwestern Indian state of Rajasthan.

In the latest reported incident of violence against Indian Christians, Dr. Joseph Chavady of One to One International informed persecution watchdog Voice of the Martyrs (VOM) that the Wednesday night worship service led by one of their pastors was interrupted by a group of Hindu militants who entered the prayer hall and severely beat eight One to One workers. "Thankfully there were no permanent injuries," VOM reported. "But the men are very shaken up by the attack."

The leading pastor of the congregation, whose name was withheld by VOM, had been preaching the Gospel and planting churches for almost thirty years in Rajasthan. Wednesday’s incident was the first time that persecution has come so close to his home, VOM reported.

In Rajasthan and in a number of states throughout India, reports of escalating violence against Christians have made their way outside the predominantly Hindu nation and into religious media agencies.

According to reports, the recent wave of violence began on 30 January, when Hindu activists forced their way into a large Christian gathering after hundreds of worshippers had come from towns and villages in India’s Uttar Pradesh state to take part in a prayer rally. The activists reportedly charged that rallies such as the prayer rally were aimed at conversions and that Christians lure the people with gifts of land, money, food and clothes.

In another reported incident of violence, the body of 25-year-old Pastor Narayan was found on Feb. 11 in a small town in Mysore district, Karnataka state. Sajan K. George, national convener of the Global Council of Indian Christians (GCIC), told Compass News that the official report of the autopsy suggested it was a case of suicide. However, George suspects Hindu extremists were responsible for Narayan’s death and that their sympathisers are engaged in a cover-up.

Shortly afterwards, in India’s Kerala state, six theology students with Gospel for Asia (GFA) were forcibly abducted and beaten on Feb. 13 by activists of Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS), the armed wing of the Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) — the Hindu nationalist party that has been accused of being hostile to religious minorities. On 18 February, GFA reported that police had arrested the five RSS men involved in the attack after a raid conducted by the Deputy Superintendent of Police.

During an interview last week with AsiaNews, Bishop Percival Fernandez—Secretary General of the Catholic Bishops Conference of India — said the recent wave of violence against Christians in India is part "of a plan led by fundamentalist groups."

"Practically all of these incidents of violence against Christians are masterminded by fundamentalist groups," Fernandez told the Italy-based news agency on 16 February.

Meanwhile, VOM-Canada's Glenn Penner attributed a Hindu nationalist grassroots effort for the increase in harassment — a sobering conclusion, considering the optimism born out of the elections last year.

"We had real hopes with the election of the Congress Party in the spring that we would see a shift away from persecution which we had seen so much in the last five years when the BJP was elected to power," Penner told Mission Network News (MNN) earlier this week.

John Dayal, secretary general of the All India Christian Union—an interdenominational Christian organisation that defends the rights of Indian Christians—was one of several Christian figures that condemned the Feb. 16 and Feb. 27 killings of a Baptist pastor and Pentecostal pastor in the Indian state of Orissa.

In his view, both murders reflected "the precarious and alarming situation" that Christians face in the Indian state.

"I’m appalled at the deteriorating situation," Dayal told AsiaNews. "I’ve written to Prime Minister [Singh] giving documentary and statistical evidence of the attacks on Christians in the last three months. [And] I have asked for an appointment to brief him of the sentiments of the minority community".

Dayal, like Penner, believes the recent attacks on Christians may be politically motivated.

Hindu fundamentalist groups, however, have claimed that the recent string of violence is "a spontaneous reaction by local people against missioners adamant on conversion".

"Christian organisations are on a warpath—accept their religion or face the music," the Hindu nationalist weekly Organizer quoted a Hindu leader in the state as saying.

In an article titled "Proselytisers run amok", another Hindu leader, Jagaram Samukhya, alleged that "Christian missioners in Orissa were on a conversion spree to achieve their target by hook or crook".

Meanwhile, the BJP-led government in India's western state of Rajasthan said last week it was going to introduce a law banning religious conversion.

"We will not allow anyone to convert poor and illiterate people," said State home minister Gulab Chand Kataria.

Although state governments in India do have the power to introduce anti-conversion laws, the World Hindu Council, or Vishwa Hindu Parishad (VHP), welcomed the state government's move.

Ms. Casey's Daughter

32 posted on 11/24/2005 11:50:58 AM PST by MSCASEY (Our God is an Awesome God! Please come soon Lord.)
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To: Gengis Khan

And I still have with me your Anti-Christian and hatefull comments Mister!

Ms. Casey's Daughter


33 posted on 11/24/2005 11:53:50 AM PST by MSCASEY (Our God is an Awesome God! Please come soon Lord.)
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To: Gengis Khan
The fact is this article and the whole website (WND) is plain rubbish.

The fact is that you could care less about this. You would not take a stand for you fellow country men because they are Christian.

Ms. Casey's Daughter

34 posted on 11/24/2005 11:58:18 AM PST by MSCASEY (Our God is an Awesome God! Please come soon Lord.)
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To: MSCASEY

Anti-Christian ?

Can you show me?


35 posted on 11/24/2005 12:30:36 PM PST by Gengis Khan
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To: MSCASEY

"You would not take a stand for you fellow country men because they are Christian."

Thats nonsense. I care less about this because this article is BS.


36 posted on 11/24/2005 12:32:36 PM PST by Gengis Khan
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To: MSCASEY; Gengis Khan

I will read your entire comment later; don't have time at the moment.

If indeed Christians are being persecuted in India, I am very sorry about it. But in general, India is one of the more tolerant countries as far as religous activities. China and practically all Muslim countries are infinitely worse. Muslims are the real antagonists in anti-Christian, anti-Jew and anti-Hindu violence and hatred.

That said, some of the missionaries who go to India use underhanded tactics such as bribing, threatening, or villifying other religions. This is unacceptable. Ignorant people need illumination - people should be attracted by Truth, not frightened into a shallow meaningless conversion which is not from the heart.

When poor people are fed and told they will be fed more if they convert, this is not a real conversion. One problem is that Hinduism is a lot more universal in vision that what a lot of people understand Christianity to be. People are told "accept this sect of Christianity as we present it or you're going to hell" and that scares ignorant people. I don't see that as Jesus' message at all.

The message of Jesus Christ is simple - Love God with all your heart and soul, and love others as much as you love yourself. I've heard of pictures circulated by some missionairies in India of Jesus supposedly kicking the heads of Hindu deities. That is offensive, creates very bad feelings, and is something Jesus would never have done. If missionaries inform themselves of the culture and history of the countries they go to, and have some respect for them, there would be less acrimony.

All relgions should be tolerated, if their adherents follow the law and respect others. But not all behavior in the name of religion is actually in accord with the original tenets or scripture.


37 posted on 11/24/2005 2:01:43 PM PST by little jeremiah
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To: Gengis Khan
So if it could be pr oven true how much are you willing to put forth in money for the pastors medical and recovery?

Ms. Casey's Daughter
38 posted on 11/24/2005 2:46:18 PM PST by MSCASEY (Our God is an Awesome God! Please come soon Lord.)
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To: MSCASEY; Gengis Khan

MSCASEY:

"Police in northern India thwarted a plot..." is not news. So India takes care of religious extremism, and that's a good thing. You falsely accused GK of "hate" in another thread.

Why do some political/religious identity organizations publish so much more propaganda about India, when Iran, Pakistan and the Sudan are much more credible concerns? An unreasonable number of threads have been published against India and Hinduism, giving a false impression to readers.

I stopped reading VOM, because it has cried too often about oppression against Islamists and not enough about how Christians are treated in places like Iran.

For a more humble perspective, try studying the history of Christianity regarding Judaism over the past 1700 years--especially that of the "Church fathers" (Constantine, his son, Augustine, Jerome and all through the Medieval). And on Isaiah, try reading Isaiah 52:1 and Ezekiel 44:9 for context. Try reading the truth about Pontius Pilate by historians of his time instead of pagan contrivances by the likes of Emmerich (often used in Nazi-esque passion plays through the 100s of years).

I'm not an Atheist or New Ager. I'm not Jewish, although I am friendly to Judaism. I was Southern Baptist for most of my life, am a believer and am more morally conservative than nearly all Christians.

You're more than welcome to go into the history of Christianity regarding Judaism with me, if you like. What do you say? Would you like to pit your charisma against my documented facts, from about the year 300 to the present? It would take much of our time, but I'm willing.


39 posted on 11/24/2005 3:45:27 PM PST by familyop ("Let us try" sounds better, don't you think? "Essayons" is so...Latin.)
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To: Gengis Khan
This report sounds dubious. There have defintely been occasional anti-Christian attacks in India, but to insinuate that there is something going on in a large scale is just plain wrong. I personally know a Baptist as well as a Mennonite family both of whom have family members ministering to Indians after the Tsunami and I have not heard one complaint from them. The real threat to Christians is in Islamic countries like Pakistan and Iran. India is not a bad actor here.
40 posted on 11/24/2005 4:10:08 PM PST by Saberwielder
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To: familyop
When I received documentation from one of the Christian Identity churches I did not defend what they were doing or saying just because it said Christian. This is exactly what GK is doing.

There was a threat, a pastor was beaten. And if you and others are attempting to defend it or desire to make excuses about it then you are not much better than those that are making the threats.

Ms. Casey's Daughter
41 posted on 11/24/2005 4:52:53 PM PST by MSCASEY (Our God is an Awesome God! Please come soon Lord.)
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To: Saberwielder

So why are they attempting to have anti-conversion laws?

And maybe it depends what part of India you are in I have heard diffrent from a pastor that went to India. He said completly the opposite of what you have stated.

Ms. Casey's Daughter


42 posted on 11/24/2005 4:55:35 PM PST by MSCASEY (Our God is an Awesome God! Please come soon Lord.)
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To: mlc9852
I didn't realize there were Hindu extremists. So now we not only have to worry about Muslim extremists but Hindus also? Wonder what the Christian extremists have been up to?

The caste system is what props up India's power elite. For the upper caste to have a plush life, the lower castes have to be kept in their place, doing their appointed jobs.

Those who turn Christian withdraw from the caste system. This can be threatening to the local power elite

43 posted on 11/24/2005 4:56:45 PM PST by SauronOfMordor (I do what the voices in lazamataz's head tell me to)
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To: SauronOfMordor; little jeremiah
According to little jeremiah the caste system is barely existent anymore in India. At least that was his post to me on another thread.

Ms. Casey's Daughter
44 posted on 11/24/2005 5:03:33 PM PST by MSCASEY (Our God is an Awesome God! Please come soon Lord.)
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To: ironmaidenPR2717

It was put up here. The usually people that attempt to defend or make lite of this behaivor are following this thread also.

Sick people out there! I think they need our prayers also.

Ms. Casey's Daughter


45 posted on 11/24/2005 5:07:19 PM PST by MSCASEY (Our God is an Awesome God! Please come soon Lord.)
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To: familyop; Gengis Khan

I'm interested in your assesment. It's curious to me (and somewhat disturbing) the number of anti-India and anti-Hinduism threads lately, either obviously false (confusing Pakistan with India and Muslims with Hindus), or of dubious authenticity, with no source other than emails and obscure websites.

There is certainly more harassment to the point of beheadings and torture going on in many other countries, primarily Islamic countries. Why don't they focus on that? Or on China? Why India, which is much more tolerant of real religious diversity?

A couple of weeks ago there was a newly registered poster who posted some really weird, offensive stuff, claimed it was from the Ramayana, and luckily I was able to prove him wrong. Then Gengis did some searching and found out the guy was getting his info from a Muslim site that specializes in disseminating wild claims about other religions in order to denigrate them. (The offender got banned.)


46 posted on 11/24/2005 5:50:21 PM PST by little jeremiah
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To: MSCASEY
"When I received documentation from one of the Christian Identity churches I did not defend what they were doing or saying just because it said Christian. This is exactly what GK is doing."

Most of the larger churches of Christianity are now Christian identity groups. They urge businesses to divest from Israel (the largest of those churches, by its usual stealth and participation with the WCC), declare themselves to be the new figurative Nation of Israel (including both of our President's churches--the one of his past and the one he attends), defend terrorists (sometimes physically--the Church of the Nativity standoff, for one) and propagandize against Judaism (thus, the rising frequency of "Jews are going to hell if they don't convert" statements). It is a tendency toward what the first few hundred years of Christianity (the emperors and other "fathers" of the Roman Church, who were essentially all of Christianity then) did. I don't believe that GK is doing anything like that. Hinduism is not a replacement religion, and its followers aren't trying to conquer the world.

"There was a threat, a pastor was beaten. And if you and others are attempting to defend it or desire to make excuses about it then you are not much better than those that are making the threats."

...another false accusation and, I take it, you decline my offer to debate on the history of Christianity. To publish so many repetitions about isolated incidents in India for the purpose of generalizing about India and Hindus (or to split new US cooperation with India for security against expansionist, fascist regimes) is wrong. It is a false accusation using an Ancient Roman diversion and repetition tactic.

My argument is that Christianity needs to clean its own house and get with "us" in the war against radical, Islamist terrorism (even against terrorism in Israel) instead of pecking on Hindus. You're not going to convert many more Hindus, unless you start using the tactics of Constantine, Hadrian, Augustine and countless others like them again.

Our US Constitution is the best law model that I know of for religious freedom under a government, and there are now too opposing sides trying to disrespect our rights under it. One of those sides is trying to misrepresent it to fit their agenda of stopping public religious speech, and the other is trying to establish a national religion.

For about four years, I studied the history of Christianity, the history of Nazism, and a little of Judaism. After that, my own mother watched "The Passion..." After watching that passion play, she subseqently told me that "Jesus is G-d" and "all of the Jews are going to hell"--same thing I've heard from most Christians who've preached at me since. We didn't behave that way or say such things in the Christian church of my childhood. That was the last straw for me.
47 posted on 11/24/2005 6:14:13 PM PST by familyop ("Let us try" sounds better, don't you think? "Essayons" is so...Latin.)
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To: Gengis Khan; Jacob Kell; sukhoi-30mki; Cronos; CarrotAndStick; razoroccam; Arjun; samsonite; ...

<< Another piece of ... Hindu garbage ping! >>

Cool your jets, Brother G-K.

Telling us that a number of folks from Group A was prevented from exterminating a number of folks from Group B is not "anti-Group A."

It's not even "pro-Group B."

It's just telling us that a number of folks from Group A was prevented from exterminating a number of folks from Group B.

Now, to assist your redemption, go check out post #11, Dear G-K - and then go to your room!

[And while you are there, figure out an answer to why you think a pro-UNITED STATES-OF-AMERICA, THE GREATEST NATION THERE HAS EVER BEEN OR EVER WILL BE, site should be even used by those who patently seek only to express their hatred for America, for the West, for Judeo-Christian/Western/Human Civilization in general and for Christians in particular and to divide and disrupt US and to create dissent among US -- let alone that we should actually enjoy your doing so?]

Love and fellowship and blessings FRom Brian

BUMPping


48 posted on 11/24/2005 6:17:43 PM PST by Brian Allen (Patriotic, Immigrant & therefore Hyphenated-AMERICAN-American & Aviator by choice. Christian byGrace)
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To: little jeremiah

I'm not sure about the specifics on those behind the columns and posts. But there are quite a few Christian-Muslim alliances out there--some only diplomatic and some too tight. ...and the SSPX, the "Christian Party," similar European groups, Sobranites, Buchananites, and the like. ...so many.

I might be prompted to dig and find out, if there's much more fuss, though.


49 posted on 11/24/2005 6:28:12 PM PST by familyop ("Let us try" sounds better, don't you think? "Essayons" is so...Latin.)
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To: MSCASEY

I had mentioned earlier that this "news" hasn't been reported by any of the mainstream news agencies, both from India and abroad. With supposed police action being involved, this can't have escaped unheard of. No chance. Not in India.

What's being pushed here is certainly an agenda, and that is dangerous. After all, WND has its disproportionately large share of journalistic blunders, and the source most probably an anonymous email.

Ever wonder why the persecution of Hindus don't get this much attention? Try Jammu and Kashmir. Search for "Kashmir Pandits". WND probably hasn't ever heard of them.


50 posted on 11/24/2005 6:36:57 PM PST by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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