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'Inclusive' Name Change Needles N.S. Tree Grower
CBC ^ | November 23, 2005 | CBC Online Staff

Posted on 11/24/2005 6:08:34 AM PST by NorthOf45

'Inclusive' name change needles N.S. tree grower

CBC News
November 23, 2005

A spruce tree grower in Nova Scotia isn't happy his 16-metre Christmas tree has become a "holiday" tree in Massachusetts.

Every fall, the province sends a tree to Boston as a thank-you gift for the help the New England city gave Halifax after the devastating 1917 ship explosion that levelled parts of Nova Scotia's capital.

Officials with Boston's parks department decided it would be less offensive to some people and generally more inclusive if the word "Christmas" was dropped when they referred to the tree.

"A lot of people celebrate various religious holidays but also enjoy the lights, and we're trying to be inclusive," said Toni Pollak, Boston's commissioner of parks.

But Donnie Hatt, of Beech Hill, says he wouldn't have sent his 36-year-old white spruce to Boston this year if he knew it would be called a "holiday" tree. In fact, he'd rather see it run through the wood chipper in his backyard.

"I think it's a bunch of bullcrap," Hatt said Tuesday. "The States is never happy with the way things are. They always gotta change something.

"Ever since I was born, a tree was put up for Christmas, not for holidays, because if you're gonna do that you might as well put a tree up for Easter."

Not everyone in Boston agrees with the name change, either.

"A lot of us felt it wasn't right," said resident Ray Brochu. "How could they have the right to even change the name of a gift that was given to us from the people up there?"

Despite the controversy, the "holiday" tree will be placed in the Boston Common and the lights will be powered up on Dec. 1.


TOPICS: Canada; Culture/Society; Extended News; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; US: Massachusetts
KEYWORDS: boston; canada; deathofchristmas; holidays; holidaytree; inclusive; leftistrevisionism; massachusetts; nihilism; novascotia; pcpolice; waronchristmas
Ridiculous ... just ridiculous.
1 posted on 11/24/2005 6:08:36 AM PST by NorthOf45
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To: NorthOf45

Does this surprise anyone, cause it doesnt surprise me. Although Canada doesnt have the lock on virtue when it comes to pc speech.


2 posted on 11/24/2005 6:10:32 AM PST by DeusExMachina05
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To: NorthOf45
"A lot of people celebrate various religious holidays but also enjoy the lights, and we're trying to be inclusive."

Hey, Toni. Why not let all those people who are "offended" by Christmas worry about being "inclusive"?

3 posted on 11/24/2005 6:15:16 AM PST by Savage Beast ("Oprah: The light that shines so gently on those who need it most." ~Sidney Poitier)
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To: NorthOf45
Ah the Christmas tree. It crept from pagan conquest of northern Europe by Christians into the celebration of Christ's mass. There is also the advent wreath that crept in. Now the pagans are reclaiming the tree. I say good riddance, let them have their weird beliefs. Let us now return to a Christmas without pagan symbols.
4 posted on 11/24/2005 6:21:42 AM PST by Investment Biker
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To: Investment Biker
Of course, the issue is deeper than what an inanimate object is named. The goal of the PC crowd is to stamp out the word "Christmas", not just change the name of symbols that were once pagan. This is what irks Christians like me; The snuffing out of the Christmas holiday (and all its symbols) from America.
5 posted on 11/24/2005 6:27:46 AM PST by GOP_Party_Animal
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To: Investment Biker

6 posted on 11/24/2005 6:28:53 AM PST by Txslady
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To: NorthOf45

This kind of idiocy of Mass. I went to the Witch Museum in Salem MA,and at the end of the exhibits was a display dealing with Sen. Joe McCarthy.[Witch hunts,how clever.] Sarc.


7 posted on 11/24/2005 6:30:21 AM PST by Clint Lippo
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To: NorthOf45
"Ever since I was born, a tree was put up for Christmas, not for holidays, because if you're gonna do that you might as well put a tree up for Easter."


8 posted on 11/24/2005 6:35:41 AM PST by Willie Green (God bless Jack Murtha.)
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To: NorthOf45
It's the "giving tree festival." Courtesy of Ann Coulter.

(Rules!)


9 posted on 11/24/2005 6:44:16 AM PST by coloradan (Failing to protect the liberties of your enemies establishes precedents that will reach to yourself.)
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To: DeusExMachina05
Although Canada doesnt have the lock on virtue when it comes to pc speech.

This is true. Many of us up here agree with you ... including the supplier of the tree.
10 posted on 11/24/2005 6:48:47 AM PST by NorthOf45
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To: NorthOf45
"I think it's a bunch of bullcrap"

That pretty much sums it up.

11 posted on 11/24/2005 6:51:08 AM PST by newzjunkey (CA: Signature deadline coming! HELP Enforce Our Border: http://www.CalBorderPolice.com/)
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To: NorthOf45
..."Ever since I was born, a tree was put up for Christmas..."

Ah yes, the sacred "kill a tree for Christ" tradition.

12 posted on 11/24/2005 6:51:25 AM PST by FReepaholic (Are Christians allowed to eat deviled eggs?)
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To: NorthOf45
"I think it's a bunch of bullcrap," Hatt said Tuesday.

You said it best, sir.

13 posted on 11/24/2005 6:54:26 AM PST by Nea Wood (A good man leaves an inheritance to his children's children. Proverbs 13:22)
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To: NorthOf45
"A lot of people celebrate various religious holidays but also enjoy the lights, and we're trying to be inclusive," said Toni Pollak, Boston's commissioner of parks.

Inclusive? This is not inclusive, but exclusive. It is the exclusion of Christ from public life.

14 posted on 11/24/2005 6:57:21 AM PST by Always A Marine
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To: Investment Biker

You know, there is absolutely nothing wrong with having a Christmas Tree, regardless of the origins of the custom.


15 posted on 11/24/2005 7:00:24 AM PST by SALChamps03
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To: tscislaw

You know, trees can be replaced.


16 posted on 11/24/2005 7:01:40 AM PST by SALChamps03
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To: GOP_Party_Animal
Not to be contrary, but they don't want to "snuff it out". They want us to keep buying and giving, et al, they just want to "change the name" so those few other folks will spend their money too! Sarcasm/

"They" don't seem to consider the fact that there are a lot more of "us" than "them"!
17 posted on 11/24/2005 7:04:38 AM PST by singfreedom ("Victory at all costs,.......for without victory there is no survival."--Churchill--that's "Winston")
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To: NorthOf45
Boston has forgotten its Christian roots...no, in fact, Boston has spit on its Christian roots. It has spit on the Pilgrims, on William Bradford, on the Puritans. Boston has rewritten history in fact. Boston is one God-hating reprobate town.

But, mark this Boston: When a nation or people spit on and reject their true history and heritage, the end is near.

18 posted on 11/24/2005 7:12:46 AM PST by IVC1974
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To: Investment Biker
Ah the Christmas tree. It crept from pagan conquest of northern Europe by Christians into the celebration of Christ's mass. There is also the advent wreath that crept in. Now the pagans are reclaiming the tree. I say good riddance, let them have their weird beliefs. Let us now return to a Christmas without pagan symbols.

No worries... Europe has returned to its pagan roots. It has rejected its Christian Heritage and is now a post-Christian society devoid of any absolute truth or morals. The only morals Europe has are the ones dictated to it by their godless governments and the Euroweenie Union. Ironically, there is now a REAL reason to despise WHITE EUROPEANS.

19 posted on 11/24/2005 7:16:48 AM PST by IVC1974
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To: Investment Biker

You left out the Siberian Eskimos.


20 posted on 11/24/2005 7:22:57 AM PST by BenLurkin (O beautiful for patriot dream - that sees beyond the years)
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To: NorthOf45
May they never send another.

Sending a good Christmas tree to New England is casting pearls before left wing swine.
21 posted on 11/24/2005 7:24:00 AM PST by BenLurkin (O beautiful for patriot dream - that sees beyond the years)
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To: NorthOf45

Are there any other holidays that have a tradition involving a pine tree, either decorated or undecorated?

I don't know of any, but that doesn't mean there aren't.

Anybody?


22 posted on 11/24/2005 7:26:26 AM PST by savedbygrace
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To: IVC1974
It has spit on the Pilgrims, on William Bradford, on the Puritans. Boston has rewritten history in fact.

If I'm remembering correctly, the Puritans in the Massachusetts Bay Colony didn't celebrate Christmas with trees, etc, either. They were rather austere, and Christmas was just another day working to survive.

That said, Boston is being stupid, but I think most towns and cities are doing the same thing these days. They don't want to invite a lawsuit by some idiot claiming he or she was 'offended' by the sight of a Christmas tree.

23 posted on 11/24/2005 7:32:08 AM PST by SuziQ
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To: NorthOf45

It is a "Yule" tree, and decorating the tree was originally a pagan ritual.


24 posted on 11/24/2005 7:35:58 AM PST by Alouette (Gaza: Too small to be a country, too large to be an insane asylum (thanx: Pettigru).)
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To: NorthOf45
This has been on the local radio news here, and they have interviewed the guy. He sounds mighty pissed. I would be too.

This holiday crap has got to stop. If we claim to be so tolerant of all religions, why the hell can't we mention Christmas?

Would we ever refer to the "holiday candle holder thingy? Of course not.

25 posted on 11/24/2005 7:37:20 AM PST by Semper911 ("We can stand here like the French, or we can do something about it." -Marge Simpson)
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To: NorthOf45
The States is never happy with the way things are. They always gotta change something.

I'd tell the fellow that it's really PARTS of the States that always
gotta change something...like Boston, San Francisco, Austin TX, etc.
26 posted on 11/24/2005 7:41:34 AM PST by VOA
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To: VOA
I'd tell the fellow that it's really PARTS of the States that always gotta change something

LOL, you sound like me defending Conservatism in Canada ... "We're not ALL liberals up here". : )
27 posted on 11/24/2005 7:56:53 AM PST by NorthOf45
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To: NorthOf45
Officials with Boston's parks department decided it would be less offensive to some people and generally more inclusive if the word "Christmas" was dropped when they referred to the tree.

Supposedly intelligent people duped by the smarmey and idiotic "political correctness" moronic schlemeel crowd.

The Lemmings are on the march again so the blimp heads got in lockstep like good little Socialists.

28 posted on 11/24/2005 8:21:16 AM PST by VOYAGER (M<)
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To: savedbygrace

You've never witnessed the annual fall festivals involving unshaved men and dead animals around a pine fire?


29 posted on 11/24/2005 8:41:46 AM PST by Dust in the Wind (I've got peace like a river. . .)
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To: NorthOf45; odoso; animoveritas; mercygrace; Laissez-faire capitalist; bellevuesbest; ...

Moral Absolutes Ping.

"Holiday" tree. Arbor Day? Labor Day? Why are they so afraid of the word "CHRIST mas?"

Freepmail me if you want on/off this pinglist.

Happy Thanks Giving!


30 posted on 11/24/2005 8:57:32 AM PST by little jeremiah
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To: Dust in the Wind

LOL.


31 posted on 11/24/2005 9:07:51 AM PST by savedbygrace
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To: Alouette

....It is a "Yule" tree, and decorating the tree was originally a pagan ritual.......

Originally the day of December 25 was a pagan day of festival!


32 posted on 11/24/2005 9:09:20 AM PST by aShepard
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To: Dust in the Wind

"You've never witnessed the annual fall festivals involving unshaved men and dead animals around a pine fire?"

You mean deer season?


33 posted on 11/24/2005 9:43:16 AM PST by Nik Naym
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To: Clint Lippo
I went to the Witch Museum in Salem MA,and at the end of the exhibits was a display dealing with Sen. Joe McCarthy.[Witch hunts,how clever.] Sarc.

Incredible. Witch hunts are only "witch hunts" because there is no such thing as a witch and anyone so accused is being falsely accused. McCarthy on the other hand was chasing communists -- who really existed, and the people outed as communists then really were communists. That's no witch hunt.

34 posted on 11/24/2005 10:52:58 AM PST by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: NorthOf45
A spruce tree grower in Nova Scotia isn't happy his 16-metre Christmas tree has become a "holiday" tree in Massachusetts.

Dumbasses. First of all, Christmas tree have absolutely nothing to do with Christmas and second, the root word for "holiday" is "holy day" so they're STILL giving the tree a religious connotation.

35 posted on 11/24/2005 10:55:37 AM PST by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all.)
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To: NorthOf45
his 16-metre Christmas tree has become a "holiday" tree in Massachusetts.

Yes, it is ridiculous. Especially when you know that the word 'holiday' was derived from 'Holy Day'.

And did you know the word 'liberal' is a derivitive of 'politically correct loser'?

36 posted on 11/24/2005 11:00:05 AM PST by CommandoFrank (Peer into the depths of hell and there you will find the face of Islam...)
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To: Nik Naym

Yeah, deer, elk, or whatever game is in season.


37 posted on 11/24/2005 11:57:13 AM PST by Dust in the Wind (I've got peace like a river. . .)
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To: Investment Biker

There is nothing in the Christian story of the New Testament that does not find its earlier version in 'paganism.'

The virgin born dying and rising god-man is an archetypal narrative; the suffering savior motif - is without dispute an idea found in the world's religious traditions long before Christianity.

The cross, a resurrection/ascension, sacred meals, sacred meals of bread and wine are all 'pagan' in origin.

Other ideas are also long antedated in paganism - the logos/rational principle of creation being incarnate; the idea of atonement; the Holy Spirit of the Deity; baptism by blood or water; anointing with oil and on.

Even most of the teachings of Jesus Christ as we find them in the New Testament are predated in various schools of thought in Judaism or Stoicism.

The folks who gripe about the 'pagan' origins of the Christmas tree are straining at gnats and swallowing camels.

A quick and dirty guide, dated but still generally accurate, especially in its cataloging of histories rising and dying god-man saviors is: The World's Sixteen Crucified Saviors.

Syncretism is a fact in every religion of humanity. There is no more a 'pure' Biblical Christianity than a man on the moon.

It would seem better to appreciate the good gifts of Deity in creation, to behold with wonder the symbolism in the Christmas tree and the lessons it or Advent wreaths or yule logs, etc. teach us. All truth is God's truth. We ought not despise it even in the guise of a tree.

That said - my opinion is that changing the name of Boston's Christmas tree to Holiday tree is moronic.


38 posted on 11/24/2005 12:11:01 PM PST by PresbyRev
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To: NorthOf45
"A lot of people celebrate various religious holidays but also enjoy the lights, and we're trying to be inclusive," said Toni Pollak, Boston's commissioner of parks.

Calling the Orkin Man, nasty pest infestation at the Parks Department. Please hurry.

39 posted on 11/24/2005 4:05:11 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: SuziQ
If I'm remembering correctly, the Puritans in the Massachusetts Bay Colony didn't celebrate Christmas with trees, etc, either.

You are probably right. The Christmas Tree was imported into the celebration of Christmas by Martin Luther in Germany. He used the tree to support candles, which when lit represented the stars on the night of the Holy Birth.

Whether it was a previous pagan symbol I neither know nor does it matter. But no, I would guess Puritans had not picked up on the custom.

40 posted on 11/24/2005 4:11:40 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: hinckley buzzard
'Santa Claus' was introduced into the US by Dutch immigrants based on their Sinter Klaas. He visited the children on St. Nicholas Day with his helper Black Peter.

I believe the modern interpretation of Santa as the 'jolly old elf' came from the text of "The Night Before Christmas", and from Thomas Nast's illustration of the poem.

41 posted on 11/24/2005 5:11:07 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: GOP_Party_Animal

John Gibson was on EWTN and the way he explained it was the ACLU and such that took what was considered secular Christmas symbols such as the candy cane, the tree, red and green and made them to be religious so they could take them out of Christmas. But along with that they are going after these symbols because of the kids. They have to go after them to get at Christianity for the future. Little by little. Even though they are still going after the nativity as well. Look at the nativity and you can see where that could be a threat. Husband and wife and the baby Jesus. That blessed is the fruit of thy womb can cause problems for some people.


42 posted on 12/15/2005 9:48:05 AM PST by red irish (Gods Children in the womb are to be loved too!)
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