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'Inclusive' Name Change Needles N.S. Tree Grower
CBC ^ | November 23, 2005 | CBC Online Staff

Posted on 11/24/2005 6:08:34 AM PST by NorthOf45

'Inclusive' name change needles N.S. tree grower

CBC News
November 23, 2005

A spruce tree grower in Nova Scotia isn't happy his 16-metre Christmas tree has become a "holiday" tree in Massachusetts.

Every fall, the province sends a tree to Boston as a thank-you gift for the help the New England city gave Halifax after the devastating 1917 ship explosion that levelled parts of Nova Scotia's capital.

Officials with Boston's parks department decided it would be less offensive to some people and generally more inclusive if the word "Christmas" was dropped when they referred to the tree.

"A lot of people celebrate various religious holidays but also enjoy the lights, and we're trying to be inclusive," said Toni Pollak, Boston's commissioner of parks.

But Donnie Hatt, of Beech Hill, says he wouldn't have sent his 36-year-old white spruce to Boston this year if he knew it would be called a "holiday" tree. In fact, he'd rather see it run through the wood chipper in his backyard.

"I think it's a bunch of bullcrap," Hatt said Tuesday. "The States is never happy with the way things are. They always gotta change something.

"Ever since I was born, a tree was put up for Christmas, not for holidays, because if you're gonna do that you might as well put a tree up for Easter."

Not everyone in Boston agrees with the name change, either.

"A lot of us felt it wasn't right," said resident Ray Brochu. "How could they have the right to even change the name of a gift that was given to us from the people up there?"

Despite the controversy, the "holiday" tree will be placed in the Boston Common and the lights will be powered up on Dec. 1.


TOPICS: Canada; Culture/Society; Extended News; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; US: Massachusetts
KEYWORDS: boston; canada; deathofchristmas; holidays; holidaytree; inclusive; leftistrevisionism; massachusetts; nihilism; novascotia; pcpolice; waronchristmas
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To: NorthOf45
May they never send another.

Sending a good Christmas tree to New England is casting pearls before left wing swine.
21 posted on 11/24/2005 7:24:00 AM PST by BenLurkin (O beautiful for patriot dream - that sees beyond the years)
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To: NorthOf45

Are there any other holidays that have a tradition involving a pine tree, either decorated or undecorated?

I don't know of any, but that doesn't mean there aren't.

Anybody?


22 posted on 11/24/2005 7:26:26 AM PST by savedbygrace
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To: IVC1974
It has spit on the Pilgrims, on William Bradford, on the Puritans. Boston has rewritten history in fact.

If I'm remembering correctly, the Puritans in the Massachusetts Bay Colony didn't celebrate Christmas with trees, etc, either. They were rather austere, and Christmas was just another day working to survive.

That said, Boston is being stupid, but I think most towns and cities are doing the same thing these days. They don't want to invite a lawsuit by some idiot claiming he or she was 'offended' by the sight of a Christmas tree.

23 posted on 11/24/2005 7:32:08 AM PST by SuziQ
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To: NorthOf45

It is a "Yule" tree, and decorating the tree was originally a pagan ritual.


24 posted on 11/24/2005 7:35:58 AM PST by Alouette (Gaza: Too small to be a country, too large to be an insane asylum (thanx: Pettigru).)
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To: NorthOf45
This has been on the local radio news here, and they have interviewed the guy. He sounds mighty pissed. I would be too.

This holiday crap has got to stop. If we claim to be so tolerant of all religions, why the hell can't we mention Christmas?

Would we ever refer to the "holiday candle holder thingy? Of course not.

25 posted on 11/24/2005 7:37:20 AM PST by Semper911 ("We can stand here like the French, or we can do something about it." -Marge Simpson)
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To: NorthOf45
The States is never happy with the way things are. They always gotta change something.

I'd tell the fellow that it's really PARTS of the States that always
gotta change something...like Boston, San Francisco, Austin TX, etc.
26 posted on 11/24/2005 7:41:34 AM PST by VOA
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To: VOA
I'd tell the fellow that it's really PARTS of the States that always gotta change something

LOL, you sound like me defending Conservatism in Canada ... "We're not ALL liberals up here". : )
27 posted on 11/24/2005 7:56:53 AM PST by NorthOf45
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To: NorthOf45
Officials with Boston's parks department decided it would be less offensive to some people and generally more inclusive if the word "Christmas" was dropped when they referred to the tree.

Supposedly intelligent people duped by the smarmey and idiotic "political correctness" moronic schlemeel crowd.

The Lemmings are on the march again so the blimp heads got in lockstep like good little Socialists.

28 posted on 11/24/2005 8:21:16 AM PST by VOYAGER (M<)
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To: savedbygrace

You've never witnessed the annual fall festivals involving unshaved men and dead animals around a pine fire?


29 posted on 11/24/2005 8:41:46 AM PST by Dust in the Wind (I've got peace like a river. . .)
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To: NorthOf45; odoso; animoveritas; mercygrace; Laissez-faire capitalist; bellevuesbest; ...

Moral Absolutes Ping.

"Holiday" tree. Arbor Day? Labor Day? Why are they so afraid of the word "CHRIST mas?"

Freepmail me if you want on/off this pinglist.

Happy Thanks Giving!


30 posted on 11/24/2005 8:57:32 AM PST by little jeremiah
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To: Dust in the Wind

LOL.


31 posted on 11/24/2005 9:07:51 AM PST by savedbygrace
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To: Alouette

....It is a "Yule" tree, and decorating the tree was originally a pagan ritual.......

Originally the day of December 25 was a pagan day of festival!


32 posted on 11/24/2005 9:09:20 AM PST by aShepard
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To: Dust in the Wind

"You've never witnessed the annual fall festivals involving unshaved men and dead animals around a pine fire?"

You mean deer season?


33 posted on 11/24/2005 9:43:16 AM PST by Nik Naym
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To: Clint Lippo
I went to the Witch Museum in Salem MA,and at the end of the exhibits was a display dealing with Sen. Joe McCarthy.[Witch hunts,how clever.] Sarc.

Incredible. Witch hunts are only "witch hunts" because there is no such thing as a witch and anyone so accused is being falsely accused. McCarthy on the other hand was chasing communists -- who really existed, and the people outed as communists then really were communists. That's no witch hunt.

34 posted on 11/24/2005 10:52:58 AM PST by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: NorthOf45
A spruce tree grower in Nova Scotia isn't happy his 16-metre Christmas tree has become a "holiday" tree in Massachusetts.

Dumbasses. First of all, Christmas tree have absolutely nothing to do with Christmas and second, the root word for "holiday" is "holy day" so they're STILL giving the tree a religious connotation.

35 posted on 11/24/2005 10:55:37 AM PST by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all.)
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To: NorthOf45
his 16-metre Christmas tree has become a "holiday" tree in Massachusetts.

Yes, it is ridiculous. Especially when you know that the word 'holiday' was derived from 'Holy Day'.

And did you know the word 'liberal' is a derivitive of 'politically correct loser'?

36 posted on 11/24/2005 11:00:05 AM PST by CommandoFrank (Peer into the depths of hell and there you will find the face of Islam...)
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To: Nik Naym

Yeah, deer, elk, or whatever game is in season.


37 posted on 11/24/2005 11:57:13 AM PST by Dust in the Wind (I've got peace like a river. . .)
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To: Investment Biker

There is nothing in the Christian story of the New Testament that does not find its earlier version in 'paganism.'

The virgin born dying and rising god-man is an archetypal narrative; the suffering savior motif - is without dispute an idea found in the world's religious traditions long before Christianity.

The cross, a resurrection/ascension, sacred meals, sacred meals of bread and wine are all 'pagan' in origin.

Other ideas are also long antedated in paganism - the logos/rational principle of creation being incarnate; the idea of atonement; the Holy Spirit of the Deity; baptism by blood or water; anointing with oil and on.

Even most of the teachings of Jesus Christ as we find them in the New Testament are predated in various schools of thought in Judaism or Stoicism.

The folks who gripe about the 'pagan' origins of the Christmas tree are straining at gnats and swallowing camels.

A quick and dirty guide, dated but still generally accurate, especially in its cataloging of histories rising and dying god-man saviors is: The World's Sixteen Crucified Saviors.

Syncretism is a fact in every religion of humanity. There is no more a 'pure' Biblical Christianity than a man on the moon.

It would seem better to appreciate the good gifts of Deity in creation, to behold with wonder the symbolism in the Christmas tree and the lessons it or Advent wreaths or yule logs, etc. teach us. All truth is God's truth. We ought not despise it even in the guise of a tree.

That said - my opinion is that changing the name of Boston's Christmas tree to Holiday tree is moronic.


38 posted on 11/24/2005 12:11:01 PM PST by PresbyRev
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To: NorthOf45
"A lot of people celebrate various religious holidays but also enjoy the lights, and we're trying to be inclusive," said Toni Pollak, Boston's commissioner of parks.

Calling the Orkin Man, nasty pest infestation at the Parks Department. Please hurry.

39 posted on 11/24/2005 4:05:11 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: SuziQ
If I'm remembering correctly, the Puritans in the Massachusetts Bay Colony didn't celebrate Christmas with trees, etc, either.

You are probably right. The Christmas Tree was imported into the celebration of Christmas by Martin Luther in Germany. He used the tree to support candles, which when lit represented the stars on the night of the Holy Birth.

Whether it was a previous pagan symbol I neither know nor does it matter. But no, I would guess Puritans had not picked up on the custom.

40 posted on 11/24/2005 4:11:40 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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