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Daniel Ellsberg on Iraq (Crawford Protest Leader Believed Saddam Was Capable of WMDs...)
Zmag ^ | 1/31/2003 | Metall (German Union Paper)

Posted on 11/24/2005 7:18:00 AM PST by Recovering_Democrat

Recovering_Democrat's note before the article:

Daniel Ellsberg is the "former Defense Department official" being alluded to in the LameStream Press today--he is joining the leftwingnuts in Crawford in their illegal campout on public roadways. He is a Bay Area boy, and he leaked some apparently secret Pentagon papers during the Vietnam War. From what I could surmise, his actions probably put the lives of lots of servicemen and POWs in danger, since the papers revealed some top secret actions being taken by our military. Of course, the lives of the men and women fighting for freedom don't mean much to the pacifist left. So Ellsberg gave these secret papers to the New York Slimes and the Washington comPost.

Ellsberg's minor celebrity status as a peacenik within the Defense Department made him a hero among the left, and he continues that role today. He has been arrested over 70 times for his "activism".

Here is an interview he gave to some German Union paper back in January of 2003...notice how he concludes Saddam could use chemical weapons on our soldiers, and that is why we shouldn't attack him. This is just one of the many idiotic things Ellsberg says in the interview.

Daniel Ellsberg on Iraq

Daniel Ellsberg answers questions on Iraq for Metall (Germany Metalworkers Union newspaper) and Freitag

1. "What threat does Iraq now pose or could pose in the future to essential US objectives in the Middle East or globally?"

No threat at all, so long as Saddam is not faced with overthrow or death by attack or invasion. Saddam has been weakened by a decade of sanctions, contained and deterred by the readiness and even strong desire of the US to attack Iraq on any excuse. Unattacked, he poses no threat at all to his neighbors or the US. To call him "the number one danger to US security and interests" is not just questionable, it's absurd. On any reasonable list of outstanding dangers, he isn't on the list.

This would remain true even if he acquired more gas and biological weapons than he may now have (or could soon have), and even if he acquired nuclear weapons! He would be better equipped to deter unprovoked attack than now, but to a reasonable opponent his ability to deter attack should be strong now (see below). But invading Iraq, however desirable in the eyes of American oil-men, is not an "essential" US objective. Otherwise, it is absurd to say that it is less feasible to contain or deter Saddam, even armed with nuclear weapons, from aggression than to seek to do the same with Stalin, Mao or the two Kims.

If he is attacked with the prospect of overthrow and death, that's another matter. Then he goes up near the top of the list, given his probable willingness to launch nerve gas on invading US troops (produced under bombing, if necessary; Scott Ritter believes he can and will do this, though he believes that Iraq has no such weapons operational now), his possible ability to launch such weapons on Israel (Ritter believes he has no delivery ability for this now, given the effectiveness of past inspections, but perhaps he's wrong), and the likelihood that he would give such weapons or their precursors to Al Qaeda or other terrorists as a legacy (not otherwise). The first two contingencies have a strong possibility of evoking US (or Israeli) first-use of nuclear weapons. That might arise also from a strong city-fighting defense of Baghdad, with large US casualties and stalemate.

2. "What, in your opinion, are the objectives of the Bush administration in pursuing its current policy toward Iraq?"

(a) oil.

(b) oil.

(c) oil.

(d) US elections: distraction and rally-round-the-President in November 2002 and November 2004; and with the hope of

(e) shifting American Jews from the Democrats to the Republicans, semi-permanently, by total backing of Sharon's (Greater Israel) policy, while gratifying the Christian Right by the same policy, in their current alliance with Likud and Likud-supporters in the US, reflecting the Christian Right's bizarre apocalyptic beliefs (about the necessary in-gathering of Jews in Israel as a precursor to Armageddon: at which time, incidentally, the Jews either convert, belatedly, or are doomed along with other unbelievers).

Control of Iraq's oil, by US occupation, is seen as instrumental to a number of other desiderata by the oilagarchy that is the dominant influence on US foreign policy: control of the rest of the oil reserves of the Middle East and the Caspian: Iran, Saudi Arabia, etc.; this to the end, not only of assuring access to cheap oil for the American market but to control the oil needed by Germany, Japan, China, etc., as a basis for all kinds of diplomatic and economic leverage; direct profits from development and sale of oil and gas in the region; assurance of the regime of petrodollars, to sustain the US economy.

3. "How united is the administration/Bush government about this war?"

Not united at all. Large parts of the government-unprecedentedly large, in dissent from White House policy-indicate great skepticism, reservations, even fear of the risks of the policy. Unprecedented leaks about the plans and about internal dissent indicate that large parts, perhaps large majorities, of the State Department (not only Powell), the CIA and the JCS do not believe in the necessity or prudence or even legitimacy of this war, and do not want it. That doesn't mean they won't obey orders and do their part for the President when he orders it. It does mean that a journalistic search for heroes who would not only leak but testify against it, at the cost of their careers, might be rewarded.

4. "What do you think about the planned military strategy?"

We don't know that much about it. It might be quickly successful, as Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz and Perle, and others who, like these, have never been near a war, appear to expect with high confidence. It is certainly possible that Saddam (including all his doubles) will quickly be assassinated, by us or his officers, that the Revolutionary Guard will quickly defect along with the regulars and draftees, that command and control will be totally disrupted, that city-fighting in Baghdad will prove unnecessary, that Saddam's efforts to launch gas attacks will be preempted or that they will fail, perhaps because our protective clothing will prove effective, that Saddam will be preempted or prevented from destroying or setting on fire the oil-fields of Iraq (and perhaps Kuwait and Saudi Arabia), and that there will be no major terrorist attacks on our occupation troops after we take Baghdad. In other words, everything could go right, fast, and the war could be quick and cheap in American lives (and even, relatively speaking-i.e. no more than 10 to one-in Iraqi lives, not that the administration cares).

I don't think this is very likely. Certainly, to have high confidence in this, as the top Administration officials appear to possess (except for Powell and the JCS, the only ones with experience of war), bespeaks ignorance and foolishness. To gamble on it, which is the best that can be said for them, even if it had a likelihood as high as 80 or 90%, is reckless and irresponsible, given the actual stakes in terms of lives and American interests (including control of oil).

5. What kind of scenario do you envision: what kind of weapons will be used, will there be urban warfare? Some military strategists talk about a 'cakewalk.' Are they underestimating the Iraqi forces?

I think I've just answered this above, pretty adequately. I will add only that I fear there is a significant chance (2% would be significant, and I think it is well above that) that the US will use nuclear weapons at some point: in response to nerve gas, or (to set a precedent for the future, with an apparently "legitimate" and "limited" use) against "deep underground bunkers for production or storage of chemical or biological weapons" or for black-out effects on command and control (high-altitude low-yield bursts).

No one can say that there will not be heavy urban fighting. City-fighting is something that no one does well. The movies "Black Hawk Down" (Somalia) and "The Pianist" (Warsaw) give a good depiction of what this means for cities, civilians, and for the casualties on both sides among fighters. (Recall also "Full Metal Jacket" for a depiction of the battle for Hue in 1968). The chickenhawks simply have no answer for how we deal with this; nor do the real military, which is doubtless one reason they do not want this war.

6. Who or what could prevent the Bush administration from going to war?

I would be happy to see Saddam yield to inducements from his Arab neighbors and others to seek asylum somewhere, with assurance against war crimes prosecution if necessary. It would mean a success for threats of US aggression, but it would be a much better prospect for all than a war. France's warning that it might veto a UN-authorized attack for at least the next several months, while the inspections proceed, is both appropriate and could be effective; it should be joined by Russia and China (it would be too much to expect of Blair), while other members of the Security Council, starting with Germany, should warn in advance of a "no" vote in the absence of obstruction of inspection by Sadddam or positive findings of forbidden weapons (not empty casings) by the inspectors.

Even one to three vetoes would not guarantee that the US would not attack on the basis of a claimed "provocation"-a Tonkin Gulf incident, manufactured or simply claimed-but it might actually slow down the US attack by months, long enough for the illegality and recklessness of the whole project to become a matter of consensus, even in the US. The chance of this is small, but not zero: definitely worth pursuing.

I hope that officials with access to official documentation-IN ANY COUNTRY-which gives the lie to official US/UK rationales for war, including a possible Tonkin Gulf incident, will consider doing what I wish I had done on August 5, 1965, or soon thereafter before the bombs had started falling: Go to the world press, WITH DOCUMENTS, and reveal the truth. This is a global crisis; many, many individuals in many countries could do more than has been done to avert it, if they are willing to risk or sacrifice their own careers to do so. They might save a war's worth of lives, and avert a downward worldwide spiral. This applies above all to averting a first-use of nuclear weapons, under any circumstances whatever: by the US, Israel, UK (whose soldiers will also be at risk in Iraq), Pakistan, India, Al Qaeda (far more likely to acquire nuclear weapons-the worst possible prospect-from Russia's inadequately-guarded hoards, or from Pakistan or even North Korea-than from Iraq, UNLESS Iraq is attacked!), or from any other nuclear weapons state, currently or in the future.

With or without first-use in this conflict, I fear that an attack on Iraq will spur other nations into acquiring nuclear weapons for deterrence in the future. In the guise of averting proliferation in Iraq, this bullying attack by the world's preeminent nuclear power will accelerate proliferation dramatically. (It may already have had that effect in North Korea). The black market price for Russian (or Pakistani, or North Korean) nuclear materials or, better, operational nuclear weapons, will skyrocket. If a market and international trade in such materials and weapons does not develop in response to this, then the assumptions underlying the theory of markets and free trade need radical overhaul.

7. "How great is the danger Hussein poses?"

Answered above, in question 1. In sum: unattacked: negligible (externally); attacked: great.

8. "How should he be dealt with?"

I won't give a general answer to how the international community should "deal" with tyrannous, brutal regimes (such as China-to mention one permanent member of the Security Council-or Saudi Arabia, or Pakistan). Pre-emprive war is NOT the answer, any more than it was for the Soviet Union, though even that had its advocates, including some nut-cases who say now that that's what we should have done then.

The inspection process, perhaps continued indefinitely, is quite reliable in preventing Iraq from developing nuclear weapons, even from proceeding with that development. That's certainly desirable, though not the highest priority in the world. Keeping al Qaeda from getting nuclear weapons is an infinitely higher priority, and attacking Saddam will make it much much more likely that this will come to pass. Keeping al Qaeda from getting nuclear material goes hand in hand with two other top security priorities for the US, safeguarding Russian weapons and materials, and ending the North Korean program by negotiation (in effect, meeting their not-unreasonable terms!) The Pakistani program and stockpile is also very dangerous in this respect. So: keep inspecting! And meanwhile, while the inspections keep coming up negative, end the sanctions on non-military imports entirely.

One danger posed by the planned war against Iraq is not raised by your questions. The notion that a war against Iraq is any way part of a "war against terror" is a dangerous hoax. On the contrary: the war against Iraq inevitably conflicts with the supposed campaign against terrorism, to the point of virtually nullifying the latter. The inevitable spectacle of massive US and UK killing of Muslim civilians-and for that matter, draftees, defending against an aggressive invasion-will, I believe, mean surrendering to the prospect of endless, escalating stalemate (not unlike Vietnam, but with less prospect of an eventual end or lessening, and with much higher consequences for the US civilian population) in the "war on terrorism."

This will happen for three reasons: 1) the number of recruits for suicide bombing against the US and its allies (including, possibly, Germany) will increase a hundredfold; 2) regimes with sizeable Muslim populations (including Indonesia, the Philippines, France and Germany, not only in the Middle East) will find it politically almost impossible to be seen collaborating with the US on the anti-terrorism intelligence and police operations that are essential to lessening the terrorist threat (to which Saddam Hussein is not even contributing); 3) Iraq, under attack (and conceivably segments of the Pakistani Army) will finally share directly with Al Qaeda and others a capability for "weapons of mass destruction."

The only prospect of avoiding all of these effects, or minimizing them, is if the most wishful hopes of the warhawks are all realized, and the war really is very quick; and, what is most unlikely, this would have to preclude not only any city-fighting, but any sizeable killing of Iraqis. That's not impossible. But the likely military plans will probably be designed to minimize US and UK military casualties, with heavy air bombardment (possibly from high altitudes), and that points toward heavy Iraqi casualties, military and civilian, even if there is an inclination of the Iraqi military to defect early. Thus, the price of this reckless policy is likely to be measured in civilian lives in America and its allied homelands, as well as in lives of innocent Iraqis. We should not, must not, imitate US (and Israeli Likud) policy in answering terrorism with terrorism, nor seek to prevent terroristic aggression with terrorism. On the other hand, no non-violent measures of opposition could come too soon, or be too "extreme," if they held any prospect-at whatever personal or institutional costs-of averting the disastrous risks of this war.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: ellsberg; iraq; saddam; terror; wot
This guy is helping along with the protest in Crawford. What a maroon.

Notice this quote from pro-terrorist Ellsberg, as he warns us not to invade Iraq...

"Iraq, under attack (and conceivably segments of the Pakistani Army) will finally share directly with Al Qaeda and others a capability for "weapons of mass destruction."

Funny how the LameStream Press NEVER MENTIONS THESE INTERVIEWS AND ASSERTIONS OF LIBERALS AND ANTI-WAR ACTIVISTS WHEN COVERING THEIR ANTI-TROOP PROTESTS!!

1 posted on 11/24/2005 7:18:02 AM PST by Recovering_Democrat
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To: Recovering_Democrat

Ellsburg is another person stuck in a time warp from the 60s, longing for the good old days when just them and the msm guided American public opinion.

Another washed up has been......living at the bottom of the ash heap of history.


2 posted on 11/24/2005 7:40:29 AM PST by armydawg1 (" America must win this war..." PVT Martin Treptow, KIA, WW1)
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Geeze...if Ellsburg had any kind of sense of humor,he'd laugh himself silly reading transcripts of some of the things he's said.
3 posted on 11/24/2005 8:04:27 AM PST by Gay State Conservative
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