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Laureates seek clemency for Death Row inmate [Tookie Williams]
San Francisco Chronicle ^ | 11/24/5 | Lynda Gledhill

Posted on 11/24/2005 6:29:21 PM PST by SmithL

Sacramento -- A bevy of Nobel laureates and celebrities have written a letter urging Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger to commute the death sentence of Stanley Tookie Williams, himself a Nobel Peace Prize nominee.

Williams, 51, the co-founder of the Crips gang convicted of four 1979 murders, is scheduled to be executed at San Quentin State Prison on Dec. 13.

The letter praises Williams' work as an anti-gang crusader, including writing children's books.

"Each year at the holiday season voices the world over cry out for peace," states the letter to the governor. "This year, one of them, a voice of great power, will be lost unless you act."

Among the signatories of the letter are Nobel Laureates Archbishop Desmond Tutu; Irene Kahn, secretary general of Amnesty International; and Mairead Corrigan Maguire, who founded the Community of the Peace People in 1976.

Among the celebrities who signed the letter are Jason Alexander, Jackson Browne, Russell Crowe, Carl Reiner and Susan Sarandon.

Kerry Kennedy Cuomo, with the Human Rights Center of the Robert F. Kennedy Memorial, also signed the letter. She is a cousin of Schwarzenegger's wife, Maria Shriver.

On Monday, civil rights activists Jesse Jackson and Bianca Jagger visited Williams at San Quentin. His case has become a cause for many activists.

"Through his work, gang truces have been mediated, and long-standing wounds have been healed," the letter states. "Lives have been saved."

Williams has been nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize each year since 2000, initially by a member of the Swiss parliament and more recently by a Bay Area philosophy professor.

(Excerpt) Read more at sfgate.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: deathpenalty; leftistidiots; leftistweenies; leftistwhiners; nobelnominee; tookie; tookiemustdie; tookiewilliams
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OK, let's compromise. Let's produce a Nobel-nominated children's coloring book about his execution.
1 posted on 11/24/2005 6:29:22 PM PST by SmithL
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To: SmithL
"......the letter states. "Lives have been saved."

No... lives were TAKEN!! Thats why he is on death row. He was sentenced for taking lives. What is wrong with liberals?

2 posted on 11/24/2005 6:32:07 PM PST by GregoTX (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.)
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To: SmithL

In my opinion, an intensified method of death would be justified for this piecee of garbage.


3 posted on 11/24/2005 6:32:20 PM PST by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN - 3rd Bn. Fifth Marines RVN 1969)
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To: SmithL

I like your thinking. Very creative.


4 posted on 11/24/2005 6:32:58 PM PST by Bahbah (Free Scooter; Tony Schaffer for the US Senate)
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To: Bahbah

Thank you.


5 posted on 11/24/2005 6:34:36 PM PST by SmithL (There are a lot of people that hate Bush more than they hate terrorists)
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To: SmithL

Do they all visit the victims families!!!!!


6 posted on 11/24/2005 6:35:14 PM PST by VNam68
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To: SmithL
"Through his work, gang truces have been mediated, and long-standing wounds have been healed,"

I guess the MS-13 gang bangers didn't get the memo

7 posted on 11/24/2005 6:35:54 PM PST by spokeshave (A return to unified Democratic government is so unlikely as not to be worth considering)
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To: SmithL

Seems to me that the clemency option is made for people who have reformed and made a contribution to society.

If this killer has reformed and is doing some good in his life, why not grant him clemency?

While I am putting on my flame suit, consider that the Apostle Paul, a killer of Christians, was given a second chance and changed the world for the better.


8 posted on 11/24/2005 6:36:36 PM PST by Mr. Brightside
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To: SmithL
Well no more Jason Alexander or Russell Crowe on my list of viewing, Just two more on an ever expanding list of Hollywood Morons not to support with my entertainment money.
9 posted on 11/24/2005 6:36:59 PM PST by Captain Peter Blood
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To: SmithL

Maybe if he had murdered a few worthless celebrities or Nobel Prize winners, they wouldn't be so hot to try and get this guy off death row.


10 posted on 11/24/2005 6:37:59 PM PST by Hexenhammer
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To: SmithL

A better comprimise might be to have him switch places with Jesse Jackson.

At leat Tookie Williams is sorry for what he has done.


11 posted on 11/24/2005 6:38:18 PM PST by Mr. Brightside
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To: SmithL

"Each year at the holiday season voices the world over cry out for peace"

What season is for the murder victims to cry out?

Fry this bastard.


12 posted on 11/24/2005 6:38:27 PM PST by armydawg1 (" America must win this war..." PVT Martin Treptow, KIA, WW1)
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To: Captain Peter Blood
Well no more Jason Alexander

Funny that Jason Alexander would want this guy to live. It was a few years ago that he stated on a talk show that the world could use lots more people dying of cancer to help it deal with overpopulation.

13 posted on 11/24/2005 6:39:36 PM PST by Mr. Brightside
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To: Mr. Brightside

NO no no no no! He not only isn't repentent, he continues to whine that he's innocent despite overwhelming evidence (and a confession) that he DID!!!


14 posted on 11/24/2005 6:42:09 PM PST by Imnotalib
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To: SmithL
I wonder if...oh why bother, deciphering the Liberal mind and why they think the way they do is like searching for the bottom of the abyss.
15 posted on 11/24/2005 6:42:34 PM PST by bubman
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To: SmithL
How about a pardon for him as soon as he brings back the four people he murdered?

He is still a convicted murderer.

He can not completely undo the gang mentality he started as a lifestyle for so many.

When prisoners change personality wise, they frequently make themselves look better, not worse, for clemency or parole reasons. Many revert when released from prison.

16 posted on 11/24/2005 6:45:08 PM PST by wanderin
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To: Mr. Brightside
Seems to me that the clemency option is made for people who have reformed and made a contribution to society

The clemency option shouldn't be available for anyone who is convicted of four murders. If he had been executed in 1980 like he should have been, there wouldn't be any discussion about it now.

17 posted on 11/24/2005 6:45:40 PM PST by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: Mr. Brightside
Before indulging in weepy eyed handwringing for this lowest of the the low lifes, you need to do your homework on "Tookie". He is the worst kind of murderous scumbag ever to infect Los Angeles, and that's saying something. If anything, his execution date should be moved up to, say, tomorrow. He hasn't changed. Tookie is a master manipulator--he knows how to play the system and the sob sister liberals.

Your comments are fine in the abstract. Problems arise when you try to apply them to a worst case example. Just won't work.

After you learn far more about Tookie than you know now, which seems to be nothing, come on back here with any further bleeding heart sanctimonious do-goodisms.

We'll be waiting.

18 posted on 11/24/2005 6:46:09 PM PST by Czar (StillFedUptotheTeeth@Washington)
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To: SmithL

Title: 'Tookie Meets Sparky'


19 posted on 11/24/2005 6:46:40 PM PST by WorkingClassFilth (The problem with being a 'big tent' Party is that the clowns are seated with the paying customers.)
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To: SmithL
Kerry Kennedy Cuomo, with the Human Rights Center of the Robert F. Kennedy Memorial, also signed the letter.

With a name like that...

20 posted on 11/24/2005 6:47:55 PM PST by Young Scholar
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To: wanderin

Back in the 70s far left writer Normal Mailer launched a similar campaign to have murderer Jack Abbott released from prison. Once free, Abbott showed his gratitude and proved the "wisdom" of Mailer's self-righteousness by reverting to type and knifing a New York City waiter to death.


21 posted on 11/24/2005 6:49:15 PM PST by JCEccles
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To: Mr. Brightside

While I am putting on my flame suit, consider that the Apostle Paul, a killer of Christians, was given a second chance and changed the world for the better""

Apostle Paul was an entirely different entity than Tookie Williams. No comparison.

This creep co-founded one of the worst gangs that has grown throughout the entire USA. We could have done without him and his followers. His own son is on death row for murder. He only exercises in the prison yard with other members of the Crips gang, so how can he be so "rehabilitated" and no longer a gang member? He is still a gang member, inside the walls of the prison, and only interacts with the Crips there with him.
He won't divulge how his prison bank account is so high, and the source of the funds.
He has attacked prison staff, numerous times, as recently as 2003.

This creep has been getting 3 hots and a cell and lots of other stuff from the taxpayers of California for over 27 years. He has had many, many appeals. He keeps losing because he is a cold blooded killer.
He needs to go.
Snoop Dog is on TV telling everyone how we must love and forgive Tookie. Funny how Snoop never mentions that he was a member of the Crips when he was young. Nothing like supporting your founding father, eh???


22 posted on 11/24/2005 6:51:15 PM PST by ridesthemiles (ridesthemiles)
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To: SmithL
Schwarzenegger faces a test in this decision. If he seeks to curry favor with the fashionable Hollywood left by buckling under on this case, he'll forfeit any claim to be following in Reagan's footsteps in California, and he'll radically lose stature nationally among movement conservatives.

Are you a girly-man or not, Arnold?

23 posted on 11/24/2005 6:52:33 PM PST by beckett (Amor Fati)
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To: JCEccles

Too bad he didn't stab Norman Mailer to death instead of the waiter.


24 posted on 11/24/2005 6:53:07 PM PST by Hexenhammer
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To: GregoTX
What is wrong with Liberals? This piece of garbage killed human beings instead of liberals Why are they not trying to get Leslie Van Houten free she never murdered anyone and she has been in jail for for about 36 years. But she killed one of Hollywoods on. Different justice for different people.
25 posted on 11/24/2005 6:53:34 PM PST by gunnedah
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To: SmithL
I say these Nobel laureates take their plea to the survivors of Tookie's victims.

I doubt any of those bleeding-heart bastards can look those real victims in the eye and spout this bullcrap.

26 posted on 11/24/2005 6:53:46 PM PST by Prime Choice (Mechanical Engineers build weapons. Civil Engineers build targets.)
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To: Mr. Brightside
At leat Tookie Williams is sorry for what he has done.

Excuse me? In the 1990s, Tookie planned to escape from prison and use both explosives and shotguns to take out whoever got in his way. This plot was uncovered before Tookie could put it into action.

Sorry?? My aching foot.

27 posted on 11/24/2005 6:55:48 PM PST by Prime Choice (Mechanical Engineers build weapons. Civil Engineers build targets.)
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To: ridesthemiles

I have to agree. It's more than just the 4 innocent people he murdered. It's about starting a cult like, terrorist organization in Los Angeles. What's worse is his vision has spread and infected the culture in so many insidious ways, from music and movies to the glorification of a horrible way of life.
If Hitler had repented and started writing children's books would he have been spared the death penalty? I hope not. Same for Tookie. Gangs are evil.


28 posted on 11/24/2005 6:57:34 PM PST by QueenBee3 ("Phone's ringin dude.")
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To: SmithL
"Each year at the holiday season voices the world over cry out for peace,"

Each day the families of four murder victims cry out for their loved ones, do their cries get answered?

I, for one, am sick and tired of violent criminals getting away with an "Oops, my bad," and a slap on the wrist.

29 posted on 11/24/2005 6:57:59 PM PST by infidel29 ("We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid." --Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Mr. Brightside
consider that the Apostle Paul, a killer of Christians, was given a second chance and changed the world for the better.

So you believe in giving every multiple murderer a second chance, or just Tookie?

And how many multiple murderers can we sign you up to sponsor in your home? Can't wait to hear the number so we can get you signed up.

30 posted on 11/24/2005 6:58:00 PM PST by Prime Choice (Mechanical Engineers build weapons. Civil Engineers build targets.)
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To: SmithL
"Each year at the holiday season voices the world over cry out for peace," states the letter to the governor. "This year, one of them, a voice of great power, will be lost unless you act."

Yes, save this convicted quadruple murderer. Such misguided compassion for a stone-cold killer.

31 posted on 11/24/2005 6:58:14 PM PST by Rummyfan
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To: GregoTX
lives were TAKEN!! Thats why he is on death row. He was sentenced for taking lives. What is wrong with liberals?

.... Liberalism is a severe mental illness... 'nough said?

32 posted on 11/24/2005 7:02:06 PM PST by Bob Eimiller (Kerry, Kennedy, Pelosi, Leahy, Kucinich, Durbin Pro Abort Catholics Excommunication?)
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To: SmithL

If they are so concerned, let one of them take his place. We will even let them decide which one goes. Fair is fair.


33 posted on 11/24/2005 7:04:22 PM PST by cynicom
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If this killer has reformed....

My understanding his "reform" came immediately after he and his lawyers exhausted appeals.

Remorse came not after the murders, but after his all but his finally hope was dashed.

He ain't reformed. He's acting. Going through the motions.

Why does that tape of Richard Speck bragging how much fun he was having in prison, snorting coke, show off the effects
of female hormone injections come to mind?

No Sale.

34 posted on 11/24/2005 7:05:11 PM PST by Calvin Locke
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To: Mr. Brightside
If this killer has reformed and is doing some good in his life, why not grant him clemency?

He hasn't reformed, and, just so you know, anyone can be nominated for a Nobel --- anyone. I could nominate you, for example.

Check out Williams' real story, which can easily be found with a google search. He's an unreformed con-artist with a finely honed skill for playing on liberal guilt, sentenced to death for four murders, and responsible for possibly dozens more over his years as leader of the Crips, not to mention the hundreds of pounds, possibly tons, of poisonous drugs he distributed among poor lost souls in his community so he could make a profit and live like a big shot.

If anybody deserves the death penalty, he does.

35 posted on 11/24/2005 7:05:32 PM PST by beckett (Amor Fati)
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To: Mr. Brightside
Back in the late 70's/early 80's in Fla. there was a woman name Lois Naza.
She was convicted of starving a child to death.
While in prison a single minister started visiting her and supposedly she was 'saved'.
He got her sentence commuted and was going to marry her.

She walked out of the prison and disappeared.

I take any 'reform' with a healthy grain of salt.
And what if he was reformed? What about his crime?
36 posted on 11/24/2005 7:06:32 PM PST by Vinnie
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To: Bob Eimiller

His guilt extends far beyond four murders. He co-founded one of the most vicious killing and drug-running machines in the benighted history of the American inner city.


37 posted on 11/24/2005 7:07:49 PM PST by JCEccles
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To: Mr. Brightside
"At leat Tookie Williams is sorry for what he has done."

If he is sorry (I dont think he is), then good, he should be. He should be sorry, and he should be executed. Being sorry does not pay the price for murder. He should deeply regret his crimes, but that does not mean he should not be executed. I done believe he is sorry, but has nothing to do with it. He is not in prison to be "Reformed". He is on death row to be executed. Its different.

38 posted on 11/24/2005 7:08:44 PM PST by GregoTX (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.)
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To: SmithL

Tookie desreves the same degree of mercy he showed his victims, no more, no less.


39 posted on 11/24/2005 7:09:47 PM PST by sport
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To: Bob Eimiller
".... Liberalism is a severe mental illness... 'nough said?"

Ya know... I used to roll my eyes when I would hear michael savage say that, but the more I think about it, I am starting to believe that to be a fact now.

40 posted on 11/24/2005 7:10:15 PM PST by GregoTX (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.)
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To: Warthogtjm

I agree!


41 posted on 11/24/2005 7:11:08 PM PST by sport
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To: GregoTX
What is wrong with liberals?

I'm afraid that anyone who tried to answer that question comprehensively would die of old age in mid-sentence.

42 posted on 11/24/2005 7:13:34 PM PST by thoughtomator (What'ya mean you formatted the cat!?)
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To: Mr. Brightside

This ain't the Apostle Paul.

This is a piece of human garbage that has causd an amount of suffering that cannot be measured to individuals who only want to live their lives and not bother anyone.

Now if you would agree to allow him to live in your house....


43 posted on 11/24/2005 7:14:39 PM PST by sport
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To: Mr. Brightside

Paul was not a criminal, but an agent of the law killing capital offenders, until he converveted to Christianity.


44 posted on 11/24/2005 7:15:15 PM PST by magslinger (At the end of the day the only truly educated people are autodidacts.)
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To: Mr. Brightside
" If this killer has reformed and is doing some good in his life, why not grant him clemency?

He is not in prison to be reformed. He is in prison on death row to be executed. IF (Big IF) he is reformed or not is not relevant.

45 posted on 11/24/2005 7:15:41 PM PST by GregoTX (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.)
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To: Hexenhammer

Maybe if he had murdered a few worthless celebrities or Nobel Prize winners, they wouldn't be so hot to try and get this guy off death row.



10 posted on 11/24/2005 6:37:59 PM PST by Hexenhammer

That would not be murder. That would be justifiable homicide.


46 posted on 11/24/2005 7:16:38 PM PST by sport
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To: Mr. Brightside

He is sorry he got caught at any rate.

My money says that he could be released from prison Sunday night and by Monday morning he would be practicing his old trade [killing and robbing].


47 posted on 11/24/2005 7:19:11 PM PST by sport
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To: armydawg1

Reference your post # 12:

Amen!


48 posted on 11/24/2005 7:20:23 PM PST by sport
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To: Mr. Brightside

Tookie must Die!

Got Milk?


49 posted on 11/24/2005 7:21:41 PM PST by Left2Right ("Democracy isn't perfect, but other governments are so much worse")
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To: SmithL
...Kerry Kennedy Cuomo, with the Human Rights Center of the Robert F. Kennedy Memorial, also signed the letter.

Ahnold should thank her for her opinion and pardon Sirhan Sirhan instead.

50 posted on 11/24/2005 7:21:56 PM PST by Nomorjer Kinov
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