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PCUSA Head Takes Tomato Challenge to McDonalds
christian post ^ | Nov. 24, 2005 | Elaine Spencer

Posted on 11/25/2005 7:26:00 AM PST by paudio

The head of the Presbyterian Church U.S.A. has endorsed a call for McDonalds to improve working conditions and raise the pay of its tomato pickers.

In a letter released on Wednesday, the Rev. Clifton Kirkpatrick, stated clerk of the two-million-member denomination, challenged the fast food chain giant to “put an end to human rights violations” by bringing an “adequate solution to the grievous conditions and sub-poverty wages of farmworkers.”

"Farmworkers are explicitly excluded from the National Labor Relations Act, which denies them the right to organize, the right to negotiate with their employers, and the right to appeal grievances to the National Labor Relations Board," Kirpatrick wrote. "Current law does not provide farmworkers with overtime pay or secure other benefits such as healthcare."

The PC(USA), the nation’s largest and wealthiest Presbyterian denomination, just recently ended a successful three-year boycott of Taco Bell and Yum! Brands Inc. over the working conditions of immigrant tomato pickers in Florida. The PC(USA) was also the first mainline denomination to join the boycott and stand by the Coalition of Immokalee Workers – “a human rights award-winning, worker-led community organization of Mexican, Guatemalan and Haitian laborers.”

In March 2005, Yum! Brands consented and nearly doubled the per-pound wage of tomato pickers.

According to Kirkpatrick, workers who pick tomatoes in Florida for McDonalds still earn just 40 to 45 cents for every 32-pound bucket they pick and haul – the same wage they received more than 25 years ago.

“McDonald's has a clear moral responsibility to take leadership to assure just working conditions and compensation for the very persons who provide the products which are at the heart of its operation,” Kirkpatrick wrote. “Any corporation which benefits through the exploitation of others is gravely implicated in such exploitation and has a moral and ethical responsibility to end that exploitation.”>


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So, it's OK for a church to tell companies to pay more, but not OK for a church to tell how bad a movie is for its members' soul?
1 posted on 11/25/2005 7:26:02 AM PST by paudio
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To: paudio

Is this the same Presbyterian church that is vehemently opposing the Unborn Child Pain Awareness Act? What if the unborn child in question is an illegal and his/her parents are picking tomatoes for McDonald's? Will he then get a pain-free abortion?


2 posted on 11/25/2005 7:31:33 AM PST by Former Fetus (fetuses are 100% pro-life, they just don't vote yet!)
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To: paudio; Thinkin' Gal; Alouette
And don't even think about Israeli tomatoes.
3 posted on 11/25/2005 7:31:51 AM PST by dighton
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To: paudio
"According to Kirkpatrick, workers who pick tomatoes in Florida for McDonalds still earn just 40 to 45 cents for every 32-pound bucket they pick and haul – the same wage they received more than 25 years ago."

I'm just surprised they even call those transparent, pink things on McDonald's burgers tomatoes. They most definately don't TASTE like tomatoes.

4 posted on 11/25/2005 7:35:55 AM PST by sweet_diane (I support TheShoulder dot org)
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To: paudio

Did they send a copy of this to John Kerry-Heinz?

I'm sure all that catsup is made from union-picked fruit.

It's been a while, but my experience with McD, is that they already do as much as they can to conserve on their use of tomatoes. You should NOT be able to see through a slice of tomato!


5 posted on 11/25/2005 7:38:08 AM PST by digger48
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To: paudio

Whatever happened to saving souls?


6 posted on 11/25/2005 7:39:45 AM PST by Crawdad (So the guy says to the doctor, "It hurts when I do this.")
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To: paudio
The PC(USA), the nation’s largest and wealthiest Presbyterian denomination, just recently ended a successful three-year boycott of Taco Bell

I didn't realize that Taco Bell was the preferred eatery establishment of the wealthy ...

7 posted on 11/25/2005 7:44:24 AM PST by hillary's_fat_a**
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To: paudio
Where are the separation of Church and State lunatics and their pet attack dog the ACLU now??????
8 posted on 11/25/2005 7:44:54 AM PST by MNJohnnie ("You cannot kill hope with bombs and bullets" Sgt. Clay Smith)
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To: paudio

McDonald's has tomato pickers? That sounds unlikely.


10 posted on 11/25/2005 7:48:56 AM PST by gitmo (From now on, ending a sentence with a preposition is something up with which I will not put.)
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To: CPaleocon
The PCUSA is a shell of its former self. The true Presbyterian church is the PCA.

You are not kidding. The PC-USA has become the Episcopalian side of the Presbyterian church.

11 posted on 11/25/2005 7:54:40 AM PST by JRios1968 ("Cogito, ergo FReep": I think, therefore I FReep.)
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To: JRios1968

The PC-USA is more like the Communist side of the Presbyterian Church.


12 posted on 11/25/2005 7:58:53 AM PST by SubMareener (Become a monthly donor! Free FreeRepublic.com from Quarterly FReepathons!)
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To: Crawdad

You're right. Wasn't Christ's charge to His Church to spread the Gospel throughout the world? Instead, groups such as the ECUSA and the ELCA spend their time and money on promoting and advocating liberal causes, not to mention humanism. And they wonder why their numbers and influence are shrinking...


13 posted on 11/25/2005 8:00:32 AM PST by Russ
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To: paudio

Of course, PCUSA leader Clifton Kirkpatrick does nothing without the prior advocacy by the Communist Party.

Note at:
http://www.cpusa.org/article/articleview/95/1/53/


First published 04/28/2001 by the Communist Party, USA
Proposed resolution submitted by the Florida District to the 27th National Convention of the Communist Party USA

WHEREAS: Farm workers in the Florida's tomato-picking industry have been struggling since 1995 for a decent living wage; .....


14 posted on 11/25/2005 8:07:46 AM PST by Presbyterian Reporter
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To: SubMareener

Now, now...let's not smear the Commies... LOL


15 posted on 11/25/2005 8:15:56 AM PST by JRios1968 ("Cogito, ergo FReep": I think, therefore I FReep.)
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To: paudio

So McDonalds hires tomato pickers...hummm. Sounds like another idiot third party boycott in the making, like the grape pickers stikes against Welch's company back in the 1960's...dumb, dumb, dumb!


16 posted on 11/25/2005 8:22:08 AM PST by JABBERBONK
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To: gitmo
McDonald's has tomato pickers? That sounds unlikely.

McDonald's will probably sign the agreement to get these people out of their hair. Then they'll quietly start buying their tomatoes from Chile, and thus cause the US pickers to lose their jobs.

17 posted on 11/25/2005 8:22:37 AM PST by ExtremeUnction
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To: JRios1968

Ok---LOL

How about the Socialists?

Note that PCUSA leader Kirkpatrick is following the lead of the Socialist Party of Florida who posted a McDonalds' alert on Sunday 01 May 2005.

http://www.socialistpartyflorida.org/news.php?extend.5



1. Action Alert: Contact McDonald's!
Demand they follow Taco Bell's lead, meet with CIW & end human rights abuses in their supply chain!

The successful conclusion of the the Taco Bell Boycott sets a tremendous precedent for social responsibility in the fast-food industry. But Taco Bell is only one major buyer among many, and the impact of its agreement with CIW will fall only on those workers who pick tomatoes for Taco Bell. On March 8th, at the press conference that ended the Taco Bell Boycott, CIW member Lucas Benitez addressed the vast network of boycott allies directly, saying, “Our work together is not done. Now we must convince other companies that they have the power to change the way they do business and the way workers are treated.”

Right now, we have a window of opportunity to make our voices heard in the boardrooms of other fast-food corporate giants. Write to McDonald’s today and urge them to commit their brand and market power to making real the principles established in the Taco Bell agreement. We don't have much time left before summer, so let's make these next few weeks count!

* Organize a letter drive on your campus or in your community
* Forward this action alert to friends, family, and listservs
* For a sample letter, complete with contact information and mailing address, click here:
www.sfalliance.org/Resources/sfa%20letter.pdf

2. Fall 2005 Internship Positions available!

Alas, the Student/Farmworker Alliance is looking for interns for the 2005 Fall semester to live and work in Immokalee. This is a great way to learn first-hand about the injustice in the agricultural industry and to participate in the on-the-ground organizing of the Coalition of Immokalee Workers and SFA in their campaign for social justice. Earn course credit while you help grow the movement for fair food and support the launching of a new CIW community center! Housing and a modest stipend are available. Interested? Contact Sean immediately at sean@sfalliance.org, 239-821-5481.

Down with the bosses,

Student/Farmworker Alliance
organize@sfalliance.org
www.sfalliance.org
239.657.8311
Posted by flsocialist on Sunday 01 May 2005


18 posted on 11/25/2005 8:25:49 AM PST by Presbyterian Reporter
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To: JRios1968

Ok How about the anarchists? LOL

Once again, Kirkpatrick, leader of the PCUSA follows the anarchists in boycotting Taco Bell. This was posted on

http://www.ainfos.ca/01/mar/ainfos00459.html


A - I n f o s a multi-lingual news service by, for, and about anarchists on Sat, 24 Mar 2001

Consumer Power through the internet!!
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2001 00:11:51 -0500 a-infos@ainfos.ca

O.K. folks, it's time to show the world the power consumers have to change
corporate immorality and exploitation!!!!!! ......


19 posted on 11/25/2005 8:34:30 AM PST by Presbyterian Reporter
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To: CPaleocon
With all the misery and evil going on in the world, this pompous wing of my baptismal church chooses to fight for tomato picker wages?!?!?!

Pathetic.

20 posted on 11/25/2005 8:42:52 AM PST by angkor
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To: JRios1968

Not to be outdone by the Presbyterians, the Methodists dutifully follow in Kirkpatrick's footsteps;

http://gbgm-umc.org/global_news/pr.cfm?articleid=3061&CFID=6876667&CFTOKEN=75143722


United Methodist Women joined the National Farm Worker Ministry to support the Coalition of Immokalee Workers in their advocacy for tomato farmers and in the boycott. The entire United Methodist denomination voted to support the boycott at the May 2004 General Conference, the legislative-making body of the church.

The Women’s Division represents United Methodist Women, a one-million member organization, whose purpose is to foster spiritual growth, develop leaders and advocate for justice. Members raise close to $25 million a year for programs and projects related to women, children and youth in the United States and in more than 100 countries around the world.

http://gbgm-umc.org/umw/wdnews.cfm?articleid=3267&pgref=aa

Contact McDonald's, Burger King, and Subway today to ask that they follow Taco Bell's lead, meet with the Coalition of Immokalee Workers (CIW), and help end human rights abuses in their supply chain!


22 posted on 11/25/2005 8:48:09 AM PST by Presbyterian Reporter
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To: paudio

Time to quit eating at Taco Bell and start eating at McD's.


23 posted on 11/25/2005 8:56:28 AM PST by PAR35
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To: JRios1968

Oops. I read the United Church of Christ (UCC) is claiming they are the first to join with the Communists, Socialists, and Anarchists in boycotting Taco Bell.

http://www.ucc.org/news/u030805a.htm


"We can be proud that the UCC was the first national denomination to endorse the boycott, and that many UCC congregations all over the country worked and prayed in support of this struggle for justice," Rasell said.

In July 2001, just three months after the boycott's launch, the UCC's General Synod, meeting in Kansas City, Mo., became the first denominational body to endorse the farm workers' campaign against Taco Bell. In subsequent years, the UCC was joined by several religious groups including the Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.), the Christian Church (Disciples of Christ), the United Methodist Church and the National Council of Churches.


24 posted on 11/25/2005 8:57:43 AM PST by Presbyterian Reporter
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To: CPaleocon

Well, of course, PCUSA isn't evangelical. So what does your statement have to do with this story?


25 posted on 11/25/2005 9:01:00 AM PST by PAR35
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To: Presbyterian Reporter

Here is the list of the usual cast of characters involved in Taco Bell and McDonalds' boycotts:

http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:upPQyBhMbGoJ:w3.pcusa.org/boycott/+episcopal+%22taco+bell+boycott%22&hl=en


After much study and prayer, this consumer boycott was endorsed by many national religious bodies including the Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.), the United Methodist Church, United Church of Christ, the Unitarian Universalist Service Committee, the Christian Church (Disciples of Christ), the American Friends Service Committee, Alliance of Baptist Churches, Pax Christi International and US affiliates, and the National Council of Churches of Christ in the (U.S.A.) whose membership comprises 36 Protestant and Orthodox communions whose constituent membership represents over 50 million Christians in the United States. Church leaders and local congregations have been actively letter-writing and boycotting the restaurant and its products. The boycott has also been endorsed by Bishop John J. Nevins of the Diocese of Venice in Florida who has written to all of the congregations in his diocese. The National Farm Worker Ministry, the Episcopal Migrant Ministry, Agricultural Missions as well as many councils of churches and regional religious bodies have endorsed the boycott.


28 posted on 11/25/2005 9:07:50 AM PST by Presbyterian Reporter
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To: paudio
"Farmworkers are explicitly excluded from the National Labor Relations Act, which denies them the right to organize, the right to negotiate with their employers, and the right to appeal grievances to the National Labor Relations Board,"

At the risk of really honking someone off, I'd wager there are a LOT of farmworkers who don't WANT the unions coming in, preferring instead to fly under the radar screen of certain government agencies.

29 posted on 11/25/2005 9:10:48 AM PST by StarCMC (Old Sarge is my hero...doing it right in Iraq! Vaya con Dios, Sarge.)
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To: CPaleocon
to grow in membership

Look at their membership numbers since about 1965. They are losing about 40,000 members a year these days. Does that sound like the quoted material has any relationship to reality?

30 posted on 11/25/2005 9:13:57 AM PST by PAR35
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To: Presbyterian Reporter

You are good! Very well-researched!


31 posted on 11/25/2005 9:14:36 AM PST by JRios1968 ("Cogito, ergo FReep": I think, therefore I FReep.)
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To: paudio

If you don't play the game, you shouldn't make the rules. Churches that advocate rules for commercial enterprises should enter the game by paying taxes.


32 posted on 11/25/2005 9:17:04 AM PST by muir_redwoods (Free Sirhan Sirhan, after all, the bastard who killed Mary Jo Kopechne is walking around free)
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To: CPaleocon
My last post to you wasn't really responsive to your point. I googled up a dictionary definition of "Evangelical" and I'll work through it.

Evangelical e·van·gel·i·cal (ē'văn-jĕl'ĭ-kəl, ĕv'ən-) pronunciation also e·van·gel·ic (-jĕl'ĭk) adj.

1. Of, relating to, or in accordance with the Christian gospel, especially one of the four gospel books of the New Testament.

Can't accuse the PCSUA of that.

2. Evangelical Of, relating to, or being a Protestant church that founds its teaching on the gospel.

No on that one as well.

3. Evangelical Of, relating to, or being a Christian church believing in the sole authority and inerrancy of the Bible, in salvation only through regeneration, and in a spiritually transformed personal life.

A most emphatic NO to that one.

4. Evangelical
1. Of or relating to the Lutheran churches in Germany and Switzerland.

Doesn't apply.

2. Of or relating to all Protestant churches in Germany.

Doesn't apply

5. Of or relating to the group in the Church of England that stresses personal conversion and salvation by faith.

Doesn't apply

6. Characterized by ardent or crusading enthusiasm; zealous: an evangelical liberal.

OK. You may have me on this one. The leadership certainly crusade on behalf of abortion and homosexual rights.

n.
Evangelical A member of an evangelical church or party. e'van·gel'i·cal·ly adv.

33 posted on 11/25/2005 9:24:53 AM PST by PAR35
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To: paudio

For quite a while, PC(USA) national leadership and staff have functionned as a left-most-wing wholly-owned subsidiary of the Democratic Party.

A few links to the experiences of those who are committed to defeating this long-entrenched and out-of-control clerocracy:

http://www.layman.org/layman/the-lay-comm/williamson-parker.htm
http://www.layman.org/layman/the-layman/2001/no3-may-june01/ayres-whit-profile.htm

and the latest issue of their quarterly publication:
http://www.layman.org/layman/the-layman/2005/4-october-layman/october-05-layman-web.pdf


34 posted on 11/25/2005 9:37:47 AM PST by Blue_Ridge_Mtn_Geek
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To: Blue_Ridge_Mtn_Geek

"For quite a while, PC(USA) national leadership and staff have functionned as a left-most-wing wholly-owned subsidiary of the Democratic Party."

PCUSA leader Kirkpatrick is not the only mainline protestant church leader who function as PAC's for the Democratic Party.

Read more here:
http://www.layman.org/layman/news/2005-news/senate-democrats-mainline-protestant.htm

and here

http://democrats.senate.gov/faith.html


A photo posted on 'A Word to the Faithful,' a Senate Democratic Caucus Web site, shows Sen. Harry Reid (second from right) meeting in his office in Washington, D.C., with (from left to right) Maureen Shea, director of government relations for the Episcopal Church USA; Rev. Frank T. Griswold, presiding bishop and primate of the Episcopal Church (USA); Rev. Clifton Kirkpatrick, stated clerk of the General Assembly of the Presbyterian Church (USA); Rev. Elenora Giddings Ivory, director of the Washington Office of the PCUSA; Rev. Ron Stief, director of the UCC Justice and Witness Ministries; and Jim Winkler, general secretary of the General Board of Church and Society of the United Methodist Church.


36 posted on 11/25/2005 10:12:43 AM PST by Presbyterian Reporter
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To: JABBERBONK
McDonald's has tomato pickers?

You didn't know?

Why, let me explain how Micky-D exploits his hidden workers...

They work in the fields next to McD's feed lot, both of which are located behind McD's packing house.

The cheeeldren that are too young to pick or pack, shovel the manure from the feed yard onto the tomato fields.

Sometimes, the drivers of the tanker trucks of hormones for the cattle laugh as they spray the workers as they wash out their tanks...telling them it will help them grow strong, so they can pick more.

At night, McD's overseer locks them all up in their RonaldoMcD huts, to eat their meals of cold, unsold Big Macs & stale fries, before passing out from fatigue....

37 posted on 11/25/2005 11:38:41 AM PST by ApplegateRanch (Islam: a Satanically Transmitted Disease, spread by unprotected intimate contact with the Koranus.)
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To: paudio
Clearly, I could not care less about the PCUSA thoughts on the matter, but I did notice this post at NRO the other day:
A reader suffers from some common misconceptions about immigration and agriculture: "Do you want to depend on foreign food imports to feed the U.S.A.? Because that cheap foreign labor and state subsidized agriculture is already hurting the U.S. farmer. You better look at the big picture quick! You think our citizens are pissed about foreign oil dependence, think what they will do if they go to the grocery store and the shelves are empty?" In fact, no immigrant, or anyone else, ever touches the corn, wheat, soy beans, etc. that account for the bulk of farming -- foreign labor is concentrated in the harvest of fresh fruits and vegetables. And if you look at the actual numbers , you'd see that since labor accounts for such a small part of the retail price fruits and vegetables, giving farm workers a 40 percent raise would increase grocery costs for the typical American consumers by $8 a year. Eight dollars. A year.

38 posted on 11/25/2005 11:40:51 AM PST by KayEyeDoubleDee (const tag& constTagPassedByReference)
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To: ExtremeUnction
McDonald's will probably sign the agreement to get these people out of their hair. Then they'll quietly start buying their tomatoes from Chile, and thus cause the US pickers to lose their jobs.

Ain't globalization a bitch? That's what I'd do if I was Mickey D.

39 posted on 11/25/2005 11:42:08 AM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: hinckley buzzard

Isn't it amazing that the ministerial leaders of the mainline protestant churches, who studied philosophy, history, sociology, psychology, theology, or women studies, are such self-acclaimed experts on micro and macro economics? These protestant ministers believe themselves to be such experts in economics and finance that they can tell "growing" secular corporations how to run its business.

Meanwhile, these self-anointed experts totally fail at the job they are assigned----namely to run a mainline denomination. Collectively, the mainline protestants have chased away 40% of their membership.

Would the McDonalds' management be around today if they had chased away 40% of their customers?

Kirkpatrick--PCUSA, Griswold--ECUSA, Thomas--UCC, and Winkler--UMC show great incompetence in managing their respective denominations.


40 posted on 11/25/2005 11:59:13 AM PST by Presbyterian Reporter
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To: paudio

Is there a significant difference between what the Presbyterian Church USA is doing and what Jesse Jackson formerly was engaged in? Is the PCUSA anything more than a Wall Street shakedown artist?


Based on groundbreaking interviews by the author and documents just released by the government, Shakedown: Exposing the Real Jesse Jackson (Regnery Publishing) reveals how Jesse Jackson moved from street hustler to Wall Street shakedown artist. Investigative reporter Kenneth R. Timmerman offers a behind-the-scenes look at some of Jackson’s most infamous shakedowns including: Toyota, Coca-Cola, Raytheon, Texaco, Viacom, Coors, AT&T, Boeing, and countless others. Timmerman also shows how some companies, like Anheuser-Busch, stood up to Jackson and won.


41 posted on 11/25/2005 12:20:07 PM PST by Presbyterian Reporter
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To: Crawdad

Not their job anymore, doncha know.


42 posted on 11/25/2005 3:13:33 PM PST by sausageseller (Look out for the jackbooted spelling police. There! Everywhere!(revised cause the "man" accosted me!)
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To: Presbyterian Reporter
such self-acclaimed experts on micro and macro economics?

It is true. Especially liberal protestant pastors who as a whole typically have no significant education, usually only a M.Div. which is truly useless in grappling with the problems of reality. When Lenin called these posers the "useful idiots" of his time he specifically had these self-important but ignorant preachers in his sights.

43 posted on 11/25/2005 8:13:46 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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