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Churchill to Journalist: Consider Yourself Warned (Ward unhinged over upcoming documentary)
Hawaii Reporter ^ | Tuesday November 22nd, 2005 | Grant Crowell

Posted on 11/25/2005 7:40:17 AM PST by ajolympian2004

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To: pepperdog

I picked up on that, too... perhaps the people booking him at these Universities should change their promotions from "A Speech by" to "A Performance by"


41 posted on 11/25/2005 8:45:51 AM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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To: Valin
Maybe the tide is turning (albeit slowly) with the Professor in NJ retiring because he was about to be fired and now someone actually standing up to Ward Churchill....

Even Hannity -- who in the past told students to turn the other cheek and now screw up the Grade Point Average by taking on these Profs, is saying to record them and send to him, Rush, Media, and they will start to take them on publically.

42 posted on 11/25/2005 8:48:02 AM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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To: veronica; tallhappy
Subject to certain restrictions (not including the author's permission) there is the Section 107 allowance of "fair use" which could put the documentary use of Churchill's comments in the clear - if it's a nonprofit venture or news reporting.:

"Notwithstanding the provisions of sections 106 and 106A, the fair use of a copyrighted work, including such use by reproduction in copies or phonorecords or by any other means specified by that section, for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching (including multiple copies for classroom use), scholarship, or research, is not an infringement of copyright. In determining whether the use made of a work in any particular case is a fair use the factors to be considered shall include —

(1) the purpose and character of the use, including whether such use is of a commercial nature or is for nonprofit educational purposes;

(2) the nature of the copyrighted work;

(3) the amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation to the copyrighted work as a whole; and

(4) the effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of the copyrighted work.

The fact that a work is unpublished shall not itself bar a finding of fair use if such finding is made upon consideration of all the above factors."

43 posted on 11/25/2005 8:49:10 AM PST by hometoroost (TSA = Thousands Standing Around)
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To: Clint N. Suhks; af_vet_1981; Fred Hayek; jodiluvshoes; MAK1179; briansb; txradioguy; ...

"Tyranny of Liberal Academia" ping list:


44 posted on 11/25/2005 8:50:57 AM PST by Lloyd227
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To: tallhappy
Yes. The paragraph you cited is nonsense.

Actually, you're wrong:

U.S. Copyright Office

45 posted on 11/25/2005 8:52:06 AM PST by 14erClimb
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To: ajolympian2004

LOL!!!

Get him Mr. Crowell!! This should be interesting : )


46 posted on 11/25/2005 8:58:35 AM PST by KylaStarr
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To: tallhappy
Please answer the rest of my question where I asked you to provide a link to info backing your claim that Churchills speech was in fact copyrighted.

If you cannot do so then please say as much and retract your previous claim.
47 posted on 11/25/2005 9:02:09 AM PST by Eagles Talon IV
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To: ajolympian2004

"Consider yourself warned,

Ward Churchill"


Hey! WC!...
Consider yourself b*tch-slapped!

This documentary is going to be goooood!


48 posted on 11/25/2005 9:04:24 AM PST by LibSnubber (Liberal democrats are domestic terrorists)
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To: hometoroost
Yes. Fair use is fine.

That has nothing to do with the rights to record (copy) and distribute a speech or performance or written work or atristic work.

49 posted on 11/25/2005 9:06:46 AM PST by tallhappy (Juntos Podemos!)
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To: Eagles Talon IV

First thing, my compliments to Grant Crowell. Good stroke.

Unfortunately, I don't think Churchill will see so much as a moment's discomfort if the lib establishment at CU has anything to say about it. They've spent the last year in an all-out "hunker down like a jackass in a hailstorm and wait until it all blows over" mode, poke their heads out only to pontificate on academic freedom, etc, etc and generally act like a bunch of cats scratching sand over a pile of excrement. Only problem is that this situation has gone light years past the point that damage control or denial are going to have much effect.

Every time I (Colorado BS Engineering 1972)hear Churchill running his alligator mouth anymore, I ponder the erasure of that item from my resume to go along with that Alumni Association membership renewal that went in the trash in August......and I don't think I'm alone.


50 posted on 11/25/2005 9:17:40 AM PST by Unrepentant VN Vet
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To: ajolympian2004

When are Trey and Matt going to give Ward the South Park treatment?


51 posted on 11/25/2005 9:20:40 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: Eagles Talon IV; 14erClimb
I don't like Churchill either but he is correct.

Don't believe it, fine.

If you write a book, give a lecture, paint a picture etc... you own it. The rights are yours and you have the right to llow copy and distribution or not.

After it is distributed or copied, others who have the copies can excerpt or use it in part for certain purposes under fair use.

It is the same law that does not let us post full articles here from a number of sources.

I think the irony is more interesting. This law Chruchill is using is to protect ownersip and property rights. As a big lefty communist type it is the sort of thing Churchill would ostensibly not respect. In fact the people he condemned who were killed in the WTC were condemned by him for availing themselves or our laws that protect ownership rights so that people can make money from things they own.

It's like big anti-gun advocates like Rosie O'Donnell or Diane feisntesin who are against the right to own guns but then avail themselves or the rights in our laws to have armed bodyguards.

52 posted on 11/25/2005 9:21:24 AM PST by tallhappy (Juntos Podemos!)
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To: Eagles Talon IV
And here is the provision. It is in the Constitution.

The Congress shall have Power ... To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries (United States Constitution, Article I, Section 8)

53 posted on 11/25/2005 9:25:06 AM PST by tallhappy (Juntos Podemos!)
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To: ajolympian2004
a Ward-Churchill muppet

Not another green frog puppet!

54 posted on 11/25/2005 9:27:10 AM PST by Tom Bombadil
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To: dfwgator
When are Trey and Matt going to give Ward the South Park treatment?

Now there is an idea. They ought to do another movie for the big screen on that one. What a GREAT idea!!!

55 posted on 11/25/2005 9:28:27 AM PST by ajolympian2004
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To: ajolympian2004

kudos to Grant Crowell, that warmed the very cockles of my heart reading that.


56 posted on 11/25/2005 9:34:53 AM PST by xsmommy
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To: Unrepentant VN Vet
>>>Every time I (Colorado BS Engineering 1972)hear Churchill running hi1s alligator mouth anymore, I ponder the erasure of that item from my resume .........and I don't think I'm alone. <<

Every time I (Colorado BS Engineering 1960), think of what CU has become, I vow to give nothing to CU and more to conservative institutions like Hillsdale College.

You are not alone

57 posted on 11/25/2005 9:40:49 AM PST by HardStarboard (Read Stephen Hayes "Spooked White House" - Weekly Standard. It explains a an awful lot.)
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To: nikos1121

Churchill ping!


58 posted on 11/25/2005 9:44:56 AM PST by NotJustAnotherPrettyFace
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To: Unrepentant VN Vet
Crowells article was good. It is only because of and through a medium such as we are now enjoying that the truth and or alternative points of view are able to emerge. This is anathema to the left and is a primary if not sole reason the UN wants to assume control of the web.

It is no longer a secret that the left runs from the truth like a Cockroach runs from a bright light. I apologize to any Cockroaches I may have offended by comparing them to liberals.
59 posted on 11/25/2005 9:46:11 AM PST by Eagles Talon IV
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To: ajolympian2004
From the looks of that article, I'd say Mr. Crowell hit ol' Ward squarely in a spot that ain't ever gonna grow back!   Yeee-ow!
60 posted on 11/25/2005 9:49:19 AM PST by Prime Choice (Mechanical Engineers build weapons. Civil Engineers build targets.)
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