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Setting an example: Which New England RINO can we take out?
My addled brain | November 23, 2005 | ModernDayCato

Posted on 11/25/2005 8:46:05 AM PST by ModernDayCato

I'm getting a little sick and tired about reading about the RINOs here on the east coast who keep scuttling things and throwing monkey wrenches into the progress toward holding Republican feet to the fire.

Isn't there some way we New Englanders can send a message to our RINOs in Congress that we are gunning for them?

Isn't there a somewhat vulnerable RINO that we can target and get rid of?

Don't any of my fellow FReepers know of a good candidate out there that could be run against one of these idiots?

Can't we form RINO-PAC and scare some of these people straight, a la Club for Growth?

Anyone?


TOPICS: US: Connecticut; US: Maine; US: Massachusetts; US: New Hampshire; US: Rhode Island; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: 109th; 2006; chaffee; collins; kennedy; rinos; shays; snowe
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1 posted on 11/25/2005 8:46:07 AM PST by ModernDayCato
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To: ModernDayCato

Open to suggestions, and I'll open my checkbook to help the cause.


2 posted on 11/25/2005 8:46:39 AM PST by ModernDayCato
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To: ModernDayCato

A decent candidate is running against Chafee, one who has a real shot at winning - Steve Laffey.


3 posted on 11/25/2005 8:47:14 AM PST by thoughtomator (What'ya mean you formatted the cat!?)
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To: ModernDayCato

http://www.electlaffey.com


4 posted on 11/25/2005 8:47:39 AM PST by thoughtomator (What'ya mean you formatted the cat!?)
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To: ModernDayCato

Forget Chafee, the only alternative, Laffey, is an open borders, police state communitarian.


5 posted on 11/25/2005 8:47:51 AM PST by the gillman@blacklagoon.com
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To: thoughtomator

Really? I thought that Chaffee was being backed by the White House? Also, what happened to the guy that was running against Kennedy out in RI -- nice guy, Navy SEAL, looked like he could snap Kennedy in half like a twig.


6 posted on 11/25/2005 8:48:19 AM PST by ModernDayCato
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To: ModernDayCato

We have two RINO's in Maine that I sure wish we could get rid of! No one will run against them. We are sunk.


7 posted on 11/25/2005 8:51:42 AM PST by SheLion (Trying to make a life in the BLUE state of Maine!)
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To: ModernDayCato

If we don't find a decent candidate in Maine to bump out Snowe I' going to write in Antia Conservative when I go to the polls.


8 posted on 11/25/2005 8:52:51 AM PST by armymarinemom (My sons freed Iraqi and Afghanistan Honor Roll students.)
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To: SheLion
What the hell's the story up there? The same thing happens here in CT -- no one will run against Shays or any of the other RINO idiots, but they all bitch about them.

I think I am actually going to run for First Selectman (sort of mayor) here in my small (26,000) town.

9 posted on 11/25/2005 8:52:53 AM PST by ModernDayCato
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To: ModernDayCato

All of them. Just vote for someone else.


10 posted on 11/25/2005 8:54:19 AM PST by AmusedBystander
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To: ModernDayCato

Rogers. Good man, no one wants him.

The problem is, the dead, the near dead and the brain dead reflexively vote dimocrat.

In Rhode Island, that's eighty percent of the voters.

The state motto, "Hope" should be changed to "Hopeless."


11 posted on 11/25/2005 8:55:21 AM PST by the gillman@blacklagoon.com
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To: ModernDayCato

Lincoln Chafee is the worst of the worst. He somehow managed to be even worse than his father


12 posted on 11/25/2005 8:58:07 AM PST by muir_redwoods (Free Sirhan Sirhan, after all, the bastard who killed Mary Jo Kopechne is walking around free)
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To: ModernDayCato
Bear in mind that the difference between Republican and Democratic Senators is that the latter constantly live in fear of a primary challenge while the former don't.

This must change.

13 posted on 11/25/2005 9:00:54 AM PST by Thud
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To: ModernDayCato

How about McCain? He's not from New England, but he has a far bigger national recognition. Taking him out would put the fear into other RINOs?


14 posted on 11/25/2005 9:11:03 AM PST by narby (Hillary! The Wicked Witch of the Left)
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To: narby

I wonder if the Hanoi Hilton is still open for business. It would be like ol' Johnnie going home again....


15 posted on 11/25/2005 9:14:17 AM PST by stm
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To: ModernDayCato
"Setting an example: Which New England RINO can we take out?"

Nefarious phrase. :-)

16 posted on 11/25/2005 9:23:31 AM PST by verity (Don't let your children grow up to be mainstream media maggots.)
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To: ModernDayCato
Isn't there some way we New Englanders can send a message to our RINOs in Congress that we are gunning for them?

Sure, you could vote for their Democrat opponent.

17 posted on 11/25/2005 9:23:52 AM PST by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch ist der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: the gillman@blacklagoon.com

Rogers. Met him. Nice guy. Definitely a black ops type. Which of these losers won by the least last time around? Anyone know?


18 posted on 11/25/2005 9:25:00 AM PST by ModernDayCato
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To: Doctor Stochastic

Wow...17 posts before someone suggests that any RINO is better than any Democrat. That's got to be a record. Sorry...I've strayed off the reservation, so that dog won't hunt. [Yes, I used two cliches on purpose]


19 posted on 11/25/2005 9:26:01 AM PST by ModernDayCato
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To: ModernDayCato

I think part of the problem some wont run againts these RINO's is that they dont know if they have backing.

But lets say there is a TV comercial saying how bad A RINO is. then they might give it a go. Cause it takes lots of money to get TV ads going. WHich ussually means someone with money is behind them. Or againts the RINO.


20 posted on 11/25/2005 9:29:44 AM PST by JWAVILA
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To: ModernDayCato

Chafee.

Vote for Laffey.

If Laffey doesn't win the primary, don't vote for Chafee anyway. he is the ultimate RINO going so far as to announce he would write in G.W.B.'s father rather than vote for him.

Even Collins and Snowe wouldn't go that far.


21 posted on 11/25/2005 9:35:40 AM PST by Soul Seeker (Mr. President: It is now time to turn over the money changers' tables.)
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To: ModernDayCato

Who has the money to run against Shays or Johnson??

Plus, those peole have comprimised themselves so much, the axiom that we must run for the moderates is a truism here.

We have to run for the moderate dems to swing a vote for an R to win anything here.


22 posted on 11/25/2005 9:59:00 AM PST by RaceBannon ((Prov 28:1 KJV) The wicked flee when no man pursueth: but the righteous are bold as a lion.)
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To: ModernDayCato
Can't we form RINO-PAC and scare some of these people straight, a la Club for Growth?

Indeed we can, and it'll last until somebody says 'abortion' or 'drug legalization' or 'patriot act'. So long as we care more about the things we disagree over than about the importance of agreeing to disagree, conservatives will stay weak.

So far as getting rid of New England's RINOs is concerned, we won't, unless the lot of us vote for the Democrat, no matter how bad. If you say you have to vote for Snowe in 2006, or at least go third party or stay home, then you won't have much of a complaint when you have to vote for Snowe again in 2012.

23 posted on 11/25/2005 9:59:52 AM PST by Grut
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To: ModernDayCato

I think RINOs are just a fact of life here in NE. As bad as they are, they serve the important role of keeping control of Congress with the Republicans majority.

Would you rather have one or two true conservatives representing NE in a Democratically controlled Congress?

Best aim for those RINOs outside of NE where the effort will pay off, imo.


24 posted on 11/25/2005 10:04:36 AM PST by Sparky1776
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To: ModernDayCato
What the hell's the story up there? The same thing happens here in CT -- no one will run against Shays or any of the other RINO idiots, but they all bitch about them.

We are just lost Conservatives in New England. :(

25 posted on 11/25/2005 10:18:44 AM PST by SheLion (Trying to make a life in the BLUE state of Maine!)
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To: ModernDayCato
[ Isn't there some way we New Englanders can send a message to our RINOs in Congress that we are gunning for them? ]

Yep, but that would TAKE running yourself.. Thats why there's so many RINOs. (1)Patriotic citizens won't run.. or (2)the voting public won't elect them.. Its (1) I assume thats most of the problem.. That it takes more money to run than you can ever hope to get from the job, unless your dishonest and patriotism is a sound bite.. and campaign coffers are a glorified slush fund..

26 posted on 11/25/2005 10:29:15 AM PST by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole..)
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To: ModernDayCato

Work to elect 60 repub senators, then there won't be a problem. Work to elect 60 democrat senators, and they will immediately start impeaching Bush.


27 posted on 11/25/2005 10:50:27 AM PST by tkathy (Ban the headscarf. (All religious headdress). The effect will creat a huge domino effect..)
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To: ModernDayCato
You don't get it. New Englanders elect RINO's because they like RINO's. Take them out and you'll end up with a dem in office.

As distasteful as RINO's are, aren't they at least a moderately better choice then a dem?
28 posted on 11/25/2005 10:51:32 AM PST by Bob J (RIGHTALK.com...a conservative alternative to NPR!)
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To: Grut
That will work, though I would NEVER vote for a Dem. EVER. I'd rather find someone more conservative and put them up.

In the case of Shays, I know for a FACT that there is general disgruntlement with him. Unfortunately I was redistricted out of his district, or I WOULD have run against him.

The Dem would probably have beaten me if I won the primary (which I most definitely could have), but I would have knocked that pompous windbag off.

29 posted on 11/25/2005 11:57:27 AM PST by ModernDayCato
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To: ModernDayCato
That will work, though I would NEVER vote for a Dem. EVER.

Then you'll have RINOs forever.

30 posted on 11/25/2005 12:18:10 PM PST by Grut
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To: hosepipe
I'm not sure I agree. There are still plenty of ways for a newcomer to run and build up enough to win. I saw a friend of mine run twice against my entrenched Rep, and come within 700 votes of beating him.

He also came away with many contacts, and while he certainly was not accepted in the Old Boys Network, but he did ok.

31 posted on 11/25/2005 12:19:23 PM PST by ModernDayCato
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To: Grut

Why are you bothering to post on this thread if you're already defeated?


32 posted on 11/25/2005 12:20:38 PM PST by ModernDayCato
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To: ModernDayCato

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33 posted on 11/25/2005 12:20:45 PM PST by papasmurf (I watched the 11/18/05-SMACKDOWN in Congress!!!)
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To: papasmurf

My wife just told me that she thought the big Kennedy barely got re-elected last time around, and he whined and begged and pissed and moaned. Does anyone know if this is true?


34 posted on 11/25/2005 12:22:10 PM PST by ModernDayCato
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To: ModernDayCato
START WITH COLLINS
35 posted on 11/25/2005 12:27:34 PM PST by maineman
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To: ModernDayCato

"Open to suggestions, and I'll open my checkbook to help the cause."
*******

Let's target dems in Republicans states before eating our own.


36 posted on 11/25/2005 12:29:25 PM PST by JeffersonRepublic.com (There is no truth in the news, and no news in the truth.)
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To: JeffersonRepublic.com

Sorry, RINOs are not 'my own.'


37 posted on 11/25/2005 12:44:11 PM PST by ModernDayCato
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To: ModernDayCato

Chris Shays


38 posted on 11/25/2005 5:18:56 PM PST by MassachusettsGOP (Massachusetts Republican....A rare breed indeed)
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To: Thud
Bear in mind that the difference between Republican and Democratic Senators is that the latter constantly live in fear of a primary challenge while the former don't.

Bull.

39 posted on 11/25/2005 5:20:55 PM PST by AmishDude (Your corporate slogan could be here! FReepmail me for my confiscatory rates.)
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To: MassachusettsGOP
In. The theory with Shays is to run a real conservative against him in the primary. The conservative will win, then get killed in the general.

You lose the seat for that cycle, but get rid of the blowhard.

40 posted on 11/25/2005 5:27:51 PM PST by ModernDayCato
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To: ModernDayCato
"You lose the seat for that cycle, but get rid of the blowhard."

And then who do you run in the following election? The same conservative who can't win?

No, you'll have to run another RINO and you're back where you started...with a dem as the incumbant.

There is a disconnect with reality here with people who think all you need to do to get true conservatives in office is to run them.

41 posted on 11/26/2005 7:13:41 PM PST by Bob J (RIGHTALK.com...a conservative alternative to NPR!)
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To: ModernDayCato

"Conservative" pubbies as I suspect you define it, cannot win anywhere in New England in any CD, even the more GOP district in New Hampshire, unless the Pubbie emphasizes fiscal and economic issues. Strange thread.


42 posted on 11/26/2005 7:19:11 PM PST by Torie
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To: Bob J

Not everybody is as "practical" or psepholically inclined, as one might wish. One of the useful purposes of this site is venting. It happens everyday. I think it serves a uesful purpose. Everyone needs to vent. It is good for one's health, at least if after typing out a vent post, one then does something aerobic as well.


43 posted on 11/26/2005 7:22:39 PM PST by Torie
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To: Torie
New England for the most part doesn't produce conservatives anymore. The local political culture is too heavily influenced bu the Boston & NYC media (as well as Boston & NYC cultural attitudes!)
RINOS are probably the best we can do until there is a 'sea change' of political culture there. Maybe the election and reasonably successful gubernatorial administration of Mitt Romney in Massachusetts is the break in that wall. ( Still am amazed super oh-so sophisticated Mass elected a Mormon !)
I can tolerate RINOs as long as the support us on the majority of the 'big issues'. The can have some 'minor issues' to posture & preen with so they can look moderate & independent.
Until we have 50%+ conservatives to reliable vote in the majority of NE states, RINOS are the best we can get !
44 posted on 11/26/2005 7:39:00 PM PST by Reily (Reilly (Dr Doom))
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To: ModernDayCato

I didn't suggest that. I suggested that one often has a better chance of replacing a Republican with a Democrat than with another Republican.


45 posted on 11/26/2005 9:47:01 PM PST by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch ist der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: Bob J

I agree with what your saying about how most New Englanders are idelogical soulmates with their RINO Congressmen and vote accordingly, but there's still two exceptions where RINOs are mavericks and need to be taken out. One is when the RINO is so far left that he votes more liberal than a lot of DEMOCRATS in the region (this is true of Linc Chaffee... he is a "Republican" considerably to the left of the moderate, pro-life Dems who win most of the offices in that state). Second, when a RINO is representing a "safe" conservative Republican area. An example is Judy Biggert "representing" people in Illinois 13th District. She reprsents DuPage County, an ultra-safe GOP district that is the Illinois eqiuvilent of Orange county, yet she votes with the RATS half the time. She needs to be taken out.

Here is a sample of some Republicans in "safe" GOP areas who join the "Main Street Coalition" and crossover to vote with the RATS 1/3rd of the time or more. There is NO execuse why we can't have reliable Republicans in those seats:

--Sen. Lisa Murkowski (R-AK)
--Sen. Ted Stevens (R-AK)
--Sen. Richard Shelby (R-AL)
--Sen. John Sununu (R-NH)
--Sen. Mike DeWine (R-OH)
--Sen. George Voinovich (R-OH)
--Sen. Liddy Dole (R-NC)
--Sen. Chuck Hagel (R-NE)
--Sen. Lamar Alexander (R-TN)
--Sen. Kay Hutchison (R-TX)
--Sen. John Warner (R-VA)
--Rep. Jim Kolbe, (R-AZ)
--Rep. Jeb Bradley, (R-NH)
--Rep. Charles Bass, (R-NH)
--Rep. Ray LaHood, (R-IL)
--Rep. Judy Biggert, (R-IL)
--Rep. Doug Bereuter, (R-NE)
--Rep. Deborah Pryce, (R-OH)
--Rep. Ralph Regula, (R-OH)
--Rep. Jim Greenwood, (R-PA)
--Rep. Curt Weldon, (R-PA)
--Rep. Phil English, (R-PA)
--Rep. Kay Granger, (R-TX)
--Rep. Tom Osborne, (R-NE)
--Rep. Jim Ramstad, (R-MN)
--Rep. Joe Schwarz, (R-MI)
--Most GOP Congressman from Update NY (3 or 4 of ‘em)


46 posted on 11/27/2005 10:24:31 PM PST by BillyBoy (Find out the TRUTH about the Chicago Democrat Machine's "Best Friend" in the GOP... www.nolahood.com)
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To: RaceBannon; scoopscandal; 2Trievers; LoneGOPinCT; Rodney King; sorrisi; MrSparkys; monafelice; ...
Connecticut ping!

Please Freepmail me if you want on or off my infrequent Connecticut ping list.

47 posted on 11/28/2005 10:12:38 PM PST by nutmeg ("We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good." - Hillary Clinton 6/28/04)
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To: BillyBoy

I agree if you're info is accurate. My follow up question is, in the pub "safe districts" you mention, do they usually elect a RINO or conservative in the primaries?

Just because a district has more registered pubs than dems doesn't mean it isn't a RINO loving district.


48 posted on 11/29/2005 12:22:42 AM PST by Bob J (RIGHTALK.com...a conservative alternative to NPR!)
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To: ModernDayCato
Which New England RINO can we take out?

You only got one round left in the clip?

49 posted on 11/29/2005 5:46:54 PM PST by solitas
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