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US ran prison camp in Kosovo: report
AFP ^ | November 26, 2005

Posted on 11/25/2005 10:52:04 AM PST by jmc1969

THE US military ran a Guantanamo Bay-type detention centre in Kosovo as an investigation by the organisation into alleged CIA-run secret prisons gathered pace.

The camp resembled "a smaller version of Guantanamo", he told France's Le Monde newspaper, referring to the US centre at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, where hundreds of terrorism suspects remain detained without trial.

More recently, it has also been accused of maintaining a network of so-called "black sites", covert CIA detention centres in foreign countries, notably in Asia and in eastern Europe, where suspects are subjected to vigorous interrogation techniques some critics say amount to torture.

Mr Gil-Robles said he had no evidence that Camp Bondsteel was linked to the alleged CIA operations.

"But I do believe that an explanation should be given for this base in Kosovo, as for other potentially suspect sites" in Europe, he told the paper.

(Excerpt) Read more at news.com.au ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: balkans; cia; clintonistas; clintonlegacy; clintonsquarmire; gilrobles; gwot; kosovo; nato; sorosfluffers; wrongplace; wrongwar
Is the media figuring out that we have had CIA run detention centres around the world for along time? Nah, they see what they want to see.
1 posted on 11/25/2005 10:52:05 AM PST by jmc1969
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To: jmc1969

But, the Kosovo prsion camp would have been under Clinton's watch?


2 posted on 11/25/2005 10:54:18 AM PST by caver (Yes, I did crawl out of a hole in the ground.)
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To: caver

"But, the Kosovo prsion camp would have been under Clinton's watch?"

But that little factoid will never see the light of day in the French surrender monkey cheese eating press.


3 posted on 11/25/2005 11:00:25 AM PST by oxcart
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To: jmc1969

Maybe the CIA shouldnt keep secret prisons filled with terrorists all over the place.

They have my vote to just shoot the prisoners and close down the prisons.


4 posted on 11/25/2005 11:00:47 AM PST by sgtbono2002
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To: caver
But, the Kosovo prison camp would have been under Clinton's watch?

So what is it? Prison camps, good or bad?

5 posted on 11/25/2005 11:03:50 AM PST by Doe Eyes
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To: Doe Eyes
So what is it? Prison camps, good or bad?

Prison camps good.

Media bad.

6 posted on 11/25/2005 11:06:18 AM PST by digger48
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To: oxcart

After the recent violence in France I would hardly think the French are in any position to lecture anyone.


7 posted on 11/25/2005 11:11:13 AM PST by moose2004 (You Can Run But You Can't Hide!)
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To: sgtbono2002

Exactly. The Euro-twits want to embrace all these scum-of-the-earth terrorists with their leftist lawyers, etc. but we should be shooting them just as soon as we squeeze any info out of them. There's no reason to keep these vermin alive one day longer than absolutely necessary. My proposal is to buy an old freighter, convert it to a prison ship, and sail the most remote reaches of the world's oceans interrogating terrorist vermin until they are of no more use, at which point they can be pitched overboard....... relatively simple solution, not without some logistical challenges but easier to deal with than all the Euro-twits and MSM fools who will now be hounding us at every base in Europe. Now that WaPo has started on this topic, there will be demands for Euro-twit "human rights" investigators to examine every last US military base worldwide.....just watch allegations will be made over and over again, even without the slightest foundation, that every base in the world has had terrorist prisoners and we will be called upon to allow Euro-twit and MSM investigations at ever last base.....


8 posted on 11/25/2005 11:12:54 AM PST by Enchante (Joe Wilson: "I don't know anything about uranium, but I did stay in a Holiday Inn last night!")
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To: digger48
Actually, to the media, it's like this:

Prison camps for Christian Serbs who really don't want to mess with America--good.

Prison camps for Muslim terrorist slime who want to screw over America--bad.

9 posted on 11/25/2005 11:15:23 AM PST by hunter112 (Total victory at home and in the Middle East!)
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To: jmc1969

I'll bet not one KLA/UCK prisioner was being held there.


10 posted on 11/25/2005 11:16:06 AM PST by Andy from Beaverton (I only vote Republican to stop the Democrats)
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To: jmc1969

11 posted on 11/25/2005 11:18:32 AM PST by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned)
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To: Doe Eyes

"So what is it? Prison camps, good or bad?"

I think it's Clinton good, Bush bad.


12 posted on 11/25/2005 11:35:02 AM PST by caver (Yes, I did crawl out of a hole in the ground.)
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To: caver
But, the Kosovo prsion camp would have been under Clinton's watch?

Gil-Robles visited Bondsteel in 2002 and raised the issue of KFOR being able to operate outside of the civilian (UNMIK) judicial structure in regards to detaining individuals it perceived as a threat to itself, and effectively holding them indefinitely if it deemed that a proper course of action, which on one hand is in violation of the European Court of Human Rights Convention for the Protection of Human Rights, but on the other hand can be (and is) construed as an option available to KFOR under UNSCR 1244.

So this point of contention came up in 1999 and is still in play today.

Gil-Robles was allowed to visit the Bondsteel detention facility, observe the 13 detainees, and had the following to say in his report to the CoE of October 16th, 2002:

KOSOVO : THE HUMAN RIGHTS SITUATION AND THE FATE OF PERSONS DISPLACED FROM THEIR HOMES (.pdf)

103. Finally, it should be noted that the treatment afforded to detainees held in KFOR facilities should correspond to the highest human rights standards. The KFOR detention facilities I visited in Bondsteel appeared, in this respect, quite satisfactory, although the impressive security machinery could well, in cases of prolonged detention, have considerable impact on the psychological well being of the detainees. I would stress in this respect that the possibility should be given to authorised human rights observers (such as OSCE personnel and some NGOs) to monitor the conditions of detention, as foreseen in COMKFOR Directive 42, Article 7.

In other words, we're not going to worry too much about Mr. Gil-Robles' comments on the matter at this time, and the international lawyers can hash it out if they get around to it prior to KFOR turning over all its responsibilities to Kosovo's civilian authorities, after which the issue will become moot.

13 posted on 11/25/2005 12:14:54 PM PST by Hoplite
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To: jmc1969

There might still be time to hand Kosovo back over to its rightful owners (Serbia) before the UN comes over here demanding that we hand the American southwest and California over to Mexico on the same perverted basis that the new worlders want to hand Kosovo to the Albanians.


14 posted on 11/25/2005 1:07:13 PM PST by gungafox
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To: jmc1969

This is pure Barbara Streisand.

The US has a detention facility at Camp Bondsteel, but it's pretty much out of use now. It was originally used to house criminals provoking the unrest or who were suspected of war crimes. It's maintained in case they detain wanted war criminals, but is usually empty and closed.

It shouldn't surprise anyone that there were muslims there. The majority population of the Kosovo province of Serbia are ethnic Albanias and they are almost universally muslim.

As for wooden huts surrounded by barbed wire - that describes the entire camp, to include the facilities that house our troops.

Furthermore, this was not a US facility so much as it was a NATO facility run by the US. There are probably similar facilities in the other parts of Kosovo administered by other NATO nations. It is also supervised by NATO and NATO has established inspection and prisoner review standards that must be met.

Mr Robles knew all of this. This is merely a political ploy to take the heat off France and place it back on the US as regards treatment of Muslims in Europe.

Like I said, pure BS.


15 posted on 11/25/2005 3:34:28 PM PST by No Longer Free State (No event has just one cause, no person has just one motive, no action has just the intended effect)
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To: Andy from Beaverton; zagor-te-nej; Lion in Winter; Honorary Serb; jb6; Incorrigible; DTA; ...

This is just to cover the KLA as being justified after they attack Bondsteel.


16 posted on 11/25/2005 7:28:41 PM PST by FormerLib (Kosova: "land stolen from Serbs and given to terrorist killers in a futile attempt to appease them.")
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To: Hoplite

Thanks for the very interesting link!


17 posted on 11/26/2005 1:47:02 AM PST by caver (Yes, I did crawl out of a hole in the ground.)
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To: No Longer Free State
The KLA is preparing to turn on their "liberators."
18 posted on 11/26/2005 5:56:40 AM PST by FormerLib (Kosova: "land stolen from Serbs and given to terrorist killers in a futile attempt to appease them.")
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To: No Longer Free State

This report isn't a complete farce. I have been here at C. Bondsteel for over a year now as part of KFOR 6B. However, i have yet to see anyone detained here matching the description given. " orange boiler suits " yadda, yadda, yadda. BUT !! I hear rumor that Elvis and J. Hoffa are cellmates. Bigfoot is in solitary, for his own protection.


19 posted on 11/26/2005 9:08:39 PM PST by hrdygrdy (Save A Tree, Eat A Beaver.)
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To: FormerLib

Thanks for the pings! I'm currently on holiday in Australia so don't have the time to post much, but will continue to log in when I can to keep up to date.


20 posted on 11/27/2005 2:15:54 AM PST by Jane_N (Truth, like beauty....is in the eyes of the beholder! And please DON'T feed the trolls!)
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To: hrdygrdy

In your near-year there your unit has opened the facility what, once? Maybe?


21 posted on 11/27/2005 4:59:02 PM PST by No Longer Free State (No event has just one cause, no person has just one motive, no action has just the intended effect)
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