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Defying US, Chavez pushes for Spanish military deal
Reuters ^

Posted on 11/25/2005 2:41:18 PM PST by Alex Marko

CARACAS, Venezuela (Reuters) - Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez said his government will go ahead with the purchase of Spanish military aircraft and naval vessels even as he accused the U.S. government of pressuring Madrid to halt the transaction.

Chavez, closely allied to U.S. foe Cuba, has stepped up military spending this year with a slew of deals for Russian automatic rifles and helicopters, Brazilian aircraft and Spanish patrol ships and aircraft.

U.S. officials, who brand the leftist leader a threat to the region's stability, say they are worried some of the Venezuelan weapons could fall into the hands of Marxist Colombian rebels Washington calls terrorists.

The U.S. ambassador to Spain said on Wednesday Washington was still considering whether to allow Spain to sell aircraft with U.S. technology to Venezuela. But Chavez said Spain's Defense Minister, Jose Bono, would arrive in Venezuela next week to sign the deal.

"Next Monday Don Pepe Bono will be with us signing the contracts for the planes and the boats," he said in a speech broadcast late Wednesday.

Since Chavez's election in 1998, relations between oil producer Venezuela and its main petroleum client, the United States, have deteriorated steadily.

Chavez has also downgraded military cooperation with the United States and the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration.

Spain plans to sell 1.3 billion euros of equipment to Venezuela, including four coastal patrol ships, four corvettes, 10 C-295 transport planes and two maritime surveillance planes.

The aircraft Spain wants to sell to Venezuela have 50 to 60 percent U.S. components and require a U.S. export license.

Spanish Prime Minister Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero has built up friendly relations with Chavez. Bono has not scheduled a visit to Caracas but that could change, a Defense Ministry spokesman said on Wednesday.


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: chavez; defense; leftist; liberalweenie; military; nukemeplease; spain; troll; venezuela; waronterror; zot

1 posted on 11/25/2005 2:41:19 PM PST by Alex Marko
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To: Alex Marko

The contracts may get signed, but the aircraft will not ship. Spain, despite all the posturing, will in the end conclude that the price they will pay is not worth the price they will get.


2 posted on 11/25/2005 2:43:58 PM PST by surely_you_jest
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To: surely_you_jest

This seems like one of those times in history, sort of like 1936, where one man with a whimpy 38 could save a lot of lives with one well placed close range "suggestion".

Pat Robertson was right.


3 posted on 11/25/2005 2:49:13 PM PST by adamsjas
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To: Alex Marko

Time to dst off the Monroe Doctrine. I would shoot down or sink any prohibited hardware delivered to Chavez.


4 posted on 11/25/2005 2:53:08 PM PST by Natural Law
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To: adamsjas
This seems like one of those times in history, sort of like 1936, where one man with a whimpy 38 could save a lot of lives with one well placed close range "suggestion".

Pat Robertson was right.

Oh, let's think positively. Perhaps he will have a tragic accident, and save all of us a great deal of trouble.

5 posted on 11/25/2005 2:56:41 PM PST by surely_you_jest
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To: surely_you_jest

One train bombing and Spain ran up the white flag. One hotel bombing and Jordan has gone into high gear to get the terrorists. If thats the ally Hugo wants I say go for it.


6 posted on 11/25/2005 3:20:21 PM PST by Parley Baer
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To: Natural Law
Between this and similar comments I see on other threads I am astonished at the number of imperialists there are on FR. The arrogance is astonishing. If we followed the suggestions of all the posts I have been reading on this thread and a few other we would be at war with France (on principal), Spain (sending arms to Venezuela), Germany (they don't like us so lets bomb them), Russia (they are siding with Tehran in the UN) and China (we want to annex Taiwan). And for good measure the 101st airborne would have seized the Vatican (the Pope recently renewed criticism of the US invasion and occupation of Iraq). I am becoming concerned that FR is starting to attract serious nut cases.
7 posted on 11/25/2005 3:41:08 PM PST by jec1ny (Adjutorium nostrum in nomine Domine Qui fecit caelum et terram.)
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To: jec1ny
Oh I forgot to add N Korea, Venezuela and Cuba. Pardon the oversight. Fortunately there is no chance that this will happen in the next several years. It might force W to raise taxes.
8 posted on 11/25/2005 3:43:06 PM PST by jec1ny (Adjutorium nostrum in nomine Domine Qui fecit caelum et terram.)
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To: Parley Baer
One train bombing and Spain ran up the white flag. One hotel bombing and Jordan has gone into high gear to get the terrorists.

It's an interesting contrast (for all I don't want to tar the millions of patriotic Spainards who voted against the current government). Spain has a bombing and immediately changes its entire government and foreign policy. Jordan has a bombing and the country unites to fight the terrorists - even al-Zarqawi's own tribsmen (in effect his extended family) renounced him and went on the hunt.

9 posted on 11/25/2005 3:50:34 PM PST by Heatseeker (Never underestimate the left's tendency to underestimate us.)
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To: jec1ny

Seems to be a match between the imperlialists and isolationists. Hard to say who is winning (the battle - the war is another story).


10 posted on 11/25/2005 3:54:46 PM PST by razoroccam (Then in the name of Allah, they will let loose the Germs of War (http://www.booksurge.com))
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To: Alex Marko



Q: I’d like to ask. Are your governments concerned about charges of political meddling or perhaps trouble-making by President Chavez in the region? Are you worried about the purchase of 100,000 AK-47assault rifles?

Rumsfeld: Certainly I’m concerned. If one thinks about it, the discussion that’s taking place, as I understand it, is concerning something in the neighborhood of 100,000 AK-47s to be moved from Russia possibly to Venezuela. I don’t know if it’s firm, but I’ve read about it and heard it discussed. Not just in the press, but bilaterally. I can’t imagine what’s going to happen to 100,000 AK-47s. I can’t imagine why Venezuela needs 100, 000 AK-47s. I just hope that, personally hope, that it doesn’t happen. I can’t imagine that if it did happen, that it would be good for the hemisphere.


11 posted on 11/25/2005 3:55:54 PM PST by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/gasoline_and_government.htm)
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To: Alex Marko

Hey Hugo! Bite Me!


12 posted on 11/25/2005 4:21:35 PM PST by Redleg Duke (9/11 - "WE WILL NEVER FORGET!")
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To: jec1ny

I don't know where you are seeing these serious calls for war with France and Spain and Germany and Russia and China. In any event, you'd be hard-pressed to find one percent of people on this forum who are doing so. We do tend to be very pro-US around here, though. Why is the Monroe Doctrine imperialist? Root for Chavez if you want to -- most leftists do -- but having the foresight to put the squeeze on this dangerous demagogue is hardly an act of war, just prudent diplomacy.


13 posted on 11/25/2005 4:25:03 PM PST by speedy
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To: jec1ny
At no time did I advocate attacking Spain, France or any other power or nation. I only advocated destroying any military hardware that we did not want delivered to Venezuela.

Imperialism is in the eye of the beholder. The US Governments duty to protect the interests of the US and its citizens does not stop at the border.

14 posted on 11/25/2005 9:17:31 PM PST by Natural Law
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To: jec1ny

ZOT!


15 posted on 11/27/2005 9:35:18 PM PST by Thunder90
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To: jec1ny
I am becoming concerned that FR is starting to attract serious nut cases.

Like YOU???!!! LOL
Bye troll...


16 posted on 11/27/2005 10:16:11 PM PST by mysto ("I am ZOT proof" --- famous last words of a troll.)
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To: jec1ny; timpad; TBarnett34; MeekOneGOP; PetroniDE; Lady Jag; mhking; glock rocks; Darksheare; ...
Do you like kitties?

Please let me know if you want ON or OFF my Viking Kitty/ZOT ping list!. . .don't be shy.

17 posted on 11/28/2005 3:17:13 PM PST by darkwing104 (Let's get dangerous)
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To: jec1ny

18 posted on 11/28/2005 3:23:56 PM PST by vigilante2 (time to feed the kitty)
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To: jec1ny

19 posted on 11/28/2005 3:25:26 PM PST by reagan_fanatic (Darwinism is a belief in the meaninglessness of existence - R. Kirk)
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To: darkwing104

RKBA asphalt time ~ Bump!


20 posted on 11/28/2005 3:25:54 PM PST by calrighty (. Troops BTTT)
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To: jec1ny
I am astonished at the number of imperialists there are on FR.

If thats what takes to protect the US then so be it. Infact we are not 'imperialist' (aggresive) enough. I wish Bush would stop the cash flow to the welfare crap and start building up the miltiary Reagan style again, repairing the damage done by Clinton. As Governor Tarkin said, FEAR will keep the local systems in line.

More politely, Ronald Reagan said Peace through strength.

Its not our fault that Moscow is siding with Tehran. Iran is ruled by a nutcase who WOULD use a nucear weapon.

China is the one who wants to annex Taiwan. Not the other way around. We give them weapons and patrol that area to protect them and Japan.

At least Germany is changing for the better. France and the US always had a love-hate relationship (quasi war against them in the 1800s and early 1900s, then alliance in the cold war, then tensions in the post cold war including their attempt to stop us from bombing Libya, so we 'acidently' bombed their embassy and so on).

21 posted on 11/28/2005 3:27:52 PM PST by Paul_Denton (The U.S. should adopt the policy of Oom Shmoom: Israeli policy where no one gives a sh*t about U.N.)
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To: Natural Law

You said it. I agree.


22 posted on 11/28/2005 3:29:08 PM PST by Paul_Denton (The U.S. should adopt the policy of Oom Shmoom: Israeli policy where no one gives a sh*t about U.N.)
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To: calrighty
RKBA asphalt time ~ Bump!

Drat! Missed him.

23 posted on 11/28/2005 3:29:19 PM PST by SandyInSeattle (Official RKBA Landscaper and Arborist, Duchess of Green Leafy Things)
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To: jec1ny
ZOT!


24 posted on 11/28/2005 3:31:20 PM PST by Paul_Denton (The U.S. should adopt the policy of Oom Shmoom: Israeli policy where no one gives a sh*t about U.N.)
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To: SandyInSeattle

He went fast !


25 posted on 11/28/2005 3:36:06 PM PST by calrighty (. Troops BTTT)
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To: surely_you_jest

Yeah, a tragic accident like his head accidentally running into a bullet.


26 posted on 11/28/2005 3:38:09 PM PST by counterpunch (~ Let O'Connor Go Home! ~)
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To: mysto

Aw, what a cute little orange kitten!

It's hard to believe my Tomas once looked like that.


27 posted on 11/28/2005 3:40:28 PM PST by SandyInSeattle (Official RKBA Landscaper and Arborist, Duchess of Green Leafy Things)
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To: Parley Baer; Heatseeker
Unfortunately, when Spain turned tail and ran out of Iraq last year, they left a large hole in our defenses that cost the lives of several Coalition soldiers (including a good friend of mine). Rob's convoy was supposed to deliver supplies to the Spanish garrison in a town and walked right into an ambush because the Spanish pulled out so quickly (and didn't bother to tell anybody) that the terrorists moved in and were waiting when the convoy rolled in the next afternoon.

I know that there are millions of loyal Spanish citizens who voted against this creep, but I have little sympathy for the Spanish PM, his allies, and those who voted him into office. By abandoning the Coalition in Iraq, the Spanish have painted a big bulls-eye on their backs and it is just a matter of time before someone takes another shot at them (like the Al-Qaeda linked group the Guardia Civil busted this past weekend).

Normally, I wouldn't wish this chicken-livered pipsqueak on anyone, but since its Hugo Chavez, I guess I can live with the rats congregating together. It makes them easier to identify.

28 posted on 11/28/2005 3:50:27 PM PST by Stonewall Jackson ("Those who fail to study history are doomed to repeat the mistakes of the past.")
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To: jec1ny
I absolutely agree with you noob; FR sure IS starting to attract "serious nut cases"...YOU'RE HERE AND THAT'S PROOF OF IT. ;^)

Learn how to read and then go back to DU or whatever anti-FR site you came over here from.

29 posted on 11/28/2005 4:03:40 PM PST by nopardons
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To: calrighty

Light the fires, oh handmaiden of the tar pots; your Queen commands it! :-)


30 posted on 11/28/2005 4:06:12 PM PST by nopardons
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31 posted on 11/28/2005 4:06:20 PM PST by Thunder90
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To: nopardons

Here comes the asphalt..............................


32 posted on 11/28/2005 4:09:27 PM PST by calrighty (. Troops BTTT)
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To: Thunder90; nopardons

Sheesh................nuthin left to pave now!!


33 posted on 11/28/2005 4:10:11 PM PST by calrighty (. Troops BTTT)
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34 posted on 11/28/2005 4:10:43 PM PST by Republican Wildcat
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To: calrighty
Noooooooooo...THIS is when we pave. They have to be ROADKILL/zotted, before we can lay down the tar and asphalt. :-)
35 posted on 11/28/2005 4:13:08 PM PST by nopardons
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To: nopardons

Poring asphalt now..............................


36 posted on 11/28/2005 4:15:49 PM PST by calrighty (. Troops BTTT)
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To: calrighty

Good and go stoke the fires too. Thanks.


37 posted on 11/28/2005 4:30:18 PM PST by nopardons
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To: reagan_fanatic

I'm not sure how to post an image so it shows in my post, but here's the link of a picture I found of an evil-eye troll patrol kitty. Maybe someone could adopt him into the official ranks...


http://img517.echo.cx/img517/8211/evileye17qk.md.jpg


38 posted on 11/28/2005 4:48:36 PM PST by Dawgmeister
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To: jec1ny
I am becoming concerned that FR is starting to attract serious nut cases.

Not like the good old days when you signed up. When was that? Way back on ... 5/16/2005.

By the way; I won't hold my breath for a reply. When I clicked on your name, it came up 'banned or suspended'.

39 posted on 11/28/2005 5:23:42 PM PST by PAR35
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To: jec1ny
Astonishing! You really do understand us! You just refuse to believe it. Such is the division between the left and the right at this time. Even though your account was suspended, you still might be lurking this thread.

You leftists are amazing. You'd never make good intel operatives. You just can't keep your mouths shut about your true intentions.

ZOT!
ZOT! ZOT! ZOT! ZOT! ZOT!

STFU!

We know how you must be feeling right about now. :-) ...
ZOT!


40 posted on 11/28/2005 6:31:20 PM PST by hiredhand (My kitty disappeared. NOT the rifle!)
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To: jec1ny
Bubye...

41 posted on 11/29/2005 12:18:06 AM PST by Pimpmygop (Pimp my GOP Ride!)
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To: Dawgmeister


To learn about how to post pics, go to the FReeper Sandbox thread to practice.
;o)

42 posted on 11/29/2005 1:17:35 AM PST by Watery Tart ([W]ere not going to sit by and let them rewrite history. - Dick Cheney)
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