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Public TV Outlet Battling Christian Network
Associated Press ^ | Nov 25, 2005 | GILLIAN FLACCUS

Posted on 11/25/2005 4:53:49 PM PST by Pharmboy

SANTA ANA, Calif. (AP) -- For more than 30 years, public television station KOCE has dedicated coverage to Orange County in a media market otherwise dominated by the news and glitz of nearby Los Angeles.

But the small station is now battling in court to prevent Daystar, one of the nation's largest Christian networks, from taking over its airwaves.

The conflict began in 2003, when the Coast Community College District decided to sell KOCE-TV to the KOCE Foundation, the station's fundraising arm, over competing bidder Daystar.

Daystar Television Network sued, claiming its bid should have been selected because the sale was completed under a state law that allows college districts to sell surplus property "for cash" to the highest bidder.

KOCE supporters worry that Daystar would strip all local programming and beam in national shows.

"If we were in the middle of Kansas somewhere, these 3 million people would be their own city with six competing TV stations," said Mel Rogers, KOCE-TV president. "But Los Angeles television doesn't stray down here unless there's some car chase or shooting."

The foundation had offered $32 million - an $8 million down payment in cash, with the rest spread over 30 years of payments. That amount later dropped to $28 million.

Texas-based Daystar offered $25.1 million, but in cash. One day after the deadline for bids, it raised its offer to $40 million.

A lower court ruled in favor of the college district and the foundation, but that ruling was overturned on appeal. On Tuesday, a state appeals panel reheard arguments in the case - a highly unusual move - following a petition from KOCE, the foundation and the district.

Daystar attorney Richard Lloyd Sherman said the district had a "symbiotic, close relationship" with the KOCE Foundation.

"There's been a corrupt auction that took place to give this station to the foundation," Sherman told the three-judge panel of the 4th District Court of Appeal. "Their desire to have a PBS station outweighs everything else. It was never going to fall into the hands of a television evangelist."

Ardelle St. George, the foundation's legal counsel, said that district has an obligation to Orange County to keep KOCE-TV as a public asset.

"KOCE offers the only continual coverage of Orange County and it has just been a tremendous asset," she said. "It's really the voice of Orange County."

The appeals court is expected to rule by January.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: christianity; christianmedia; daystar; koce; losangeles; media; nihilism; orangecounty; pbs
Go Daystar!
1 posted on 11/25/2005 4:53:50 PM PST by Pharmboy
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To: Pharmboy

There goes those wacky Christians, ramming it down our throats again!

:) Sarcasm intended for satirical value.


2 posted on 11/25/2005 4:56:01 PM PST by writer33 (Rush Limbaugh walks in the footsteps of giants: George Washington, Thomas Paine and Ronald Reagan.)
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To: Pharmboy
Texas-based Daystar offered $25.1 million, but in cash. One day after the deadline for bids, it raised its offer to $40 million.

A day late and a dollar short - eff 'em.

3 posted on 11/25/2005 4:57:23 PM PST by balrog666 (A myth by any other name is still inane.)
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To: Pharmboy

So does the KOCE argument amount to nothing more than "the law can be ignored, aka violated, as long as it's done in the public interest"?


4 posted on 11/25/2005 4:57:38 PM PST by Texas_Jarhead
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To: writer33

Well put. And I love your tagline.


5 posted on 11/25/2005 5:00:18 PM PST by brivette
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To: Pharmboy

6 posted on 11/25/2005 5:09:31 PM PST by RightWingAtheist (Free the Crevo Three!)
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To: brivette

Thank you and I love that darn tagline too.

:)


7 posted on 11/25/2005 5:10:05 PM PST by writer33 (Rush Limbaugh walks in the footsteps of giants: George Washington, Thomas Paine and Ronald Reagan.)
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To: Pharmboy

Question: How much does a small TV station cost? Could either Daystar or the foundation build a new station for the price of the one they're fighting over?


8 posted on 11/25/2005 5:11:46 PM PST by tvdog12345
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To: tvdog12345

It's the license that costs the moolah...and is hard to get.


9 posted on 11/25/2005 5:13:34 PM PST by Pharmboy (The stone age didn't end because they ran out of stones.)
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To: Texas_Jarhead
So does the KOCE argument amount to nothing more than "the law can be ignored, aka violated, as long as it's done in the public interest"?

No, KOCE offered more ($28 million) than Daystar ($25.1 million). Daystar upped their offer to $40 million a day after the deadline ended. As balrog666 said "A day late and a dollar short".

The argument now has to be which offer does Coast Community Collage favor the KOCE offer of $28 million, with $8 million down and payments over 30 years; or the $25.1 cash offer.
10 posted on 11/25/2005 5:14:00 PM PST by Talking_Mouse (Indeed I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just... Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Pharmboy
For more than 30 years, public television station KOCE has dedicated coverage to Orange County in a media market otherwise dominated by the news and glitz of nearby Los Angeles.

Paid for by all tax payers whether they want to pay or not.

Now some are finally p!ssed because of the intrusion?

11 posted on 11/25/2005 5:17:09 PM PST by EGPWS
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To: Pharmboy

Coincidentally, Daystar was also the name of the production company responsible for the original Outer Limits TV series.


12 posted on 11/25/2005 5:17:55 PM PST by RightWingAtheist (Free the Crevo Three!)
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To: Pharmboy

.

KOCE-TV

http://www.KOCE.org

.


13 posted on 11/25/2005 5:18:16 PM PST by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: Talking_Mouse; Pharmboy; bert; MediaMole; Timesink; Impeach98

KOCE, meet KELO


14 posted on 11/25/2005 5:19:23 PM PST by The Spirit Of Allegiance (SAVE THE BRAINFOREST! Boycott the RED Dead Tree Media & NUKE the DNC Class Action Temper Tantrum!)
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To: Blurblogger

... AMEN.



that was a prayer....


15 posted on 11/25/2005 5:19:54 PM PST by The Spirit Of Allegiance (SAVE THE BRAINFOREST! Boycott the RED Dead Tree Media & NUKE the DNC Class Action Temper Tantrum!)
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To: RightWingAtheist
One of my favorite shows from the sixties...


16 posted on 11/25/2005 5:20:34 PM PST by Pharmboy (The stone age didn't end because they ran out of stones.)
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To: RightWingAtheist

I was wondering how long it was going to be before you RWA's reared your ugly head on the thread.

:) HA!


17 posted on 11/25/2005 5:24:19 PM PST by writer33 (Rush Limbaugh walks in the footsteps of giants: George Washington, Thomas Paine and Ronald Reagan.)
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To: balrog666

The suit and subsequent victory had nothing to do with the $40 million amount but the $25 million amount which was still a larger offer than that of the "public" broadcaster, being cash.

That said, your deep-seated hatred for Christianity displayed by your acidic vitriol and loser screen name speaks louder than your posts. You have issues.


18 posted on 11/25/2005 5:24:41 PM PST by streetpreacher (If at the end of the day, 100% of both sides are not angry with me, I've failed.)
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To: Talking_Mouse

Cash is King, or should be.


19 posted on 11/25/2005 5:24:45 PM PST by writer33 (Rush Limbaugh walks in the footsteps of giants: George Washington, Thomas Paine and Ronald Reagan.)
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To: tvdog12345

It's the frequency they are fighting over, not the physical assets.


20 posted on 11/25/2005 5:27:23 PM PST by PAR35
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To: streetpreacher
You have issues.

One of which is that retards keep posting to me. Please don't.

21 posted on 11/25/2005 5:29:35 PM PST by balrog666 (A myth by any other name is still inane.)
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To: balrog666

And you would rather have the socialists spewing their dreck rather than the moral voice of Christianity? (Valley girl voice) Hello-oh...


22 posted on 11/25/2005 5:31:38 PM PST by Pharmboy (The stone age didn't end because they ran out of stones.)
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To: Pharmboy

23 posted on 11/25/2005 5:36:16 PM PST by Lancer_N3502A
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To: Talking_Mouse; balrog666
No, KOCE offered more ($28 million) than Daystar ($25.1 million).

No. I hope neither of you is involved in finance. The foundation offered $8 million cash plus $24 million over 30 years. The net present value, doing a little quick math in my head, would be about $16-20 million. Daystar offered $25.1 million in cash. So their offer would be worth about $5 to 9 million or so more than the foundation offer.

I'll put it in simple terms. If I offered to give you $1.00 now, and someone else offered to give you $2.00 in 30 years, which offer would you accept.

That being said, I'm not sure I'd call a lot of what Daystar puts on 'Christian programming'.

24 posted on 11/25/2005 5:37:17 PM PST by PAR35
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To: Lancer_N3502A

Yep...commies, nazies = same thing.


25 posted on 11/25/2005 5:37:40 PM PST by Pharmboy (The stone age didn't end because they ran out of stones.)
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To: Talking_Mouse

Oh. I thought this was basically about how to keep the station out of the hands of Christians with legal gymnastics on what constitutes "cash".


26 posted on 11/25/2005 5:41:12 PM PST by Texas_Jarhead
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To: PAR35

I agree with each of your points. (including the typical Daystar programming) Good post.


27 posted on 11/25/2005 5:46:17 PM PST by highlander_UW (I don't know what my future holds, but I know Who holds my future)
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To: Talking_Mouse
The argument now has to be which offer does Coast Community Collage favor the KOCE offer of $28 million, with $8 million down and payments over 30 years; or the $25.1 cash offer.

The cash offer is worth far more than the installment plan.

In that case, the Christian broadcaster, Daystar, wins -- hands down.

28 posted on 11/25/2005 6:09:52 PM PST by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: balrog666
One of which is that retards keep posting to me. Please don't.

I asked my 8 yr. old about your post and he said "It takes one to know one!"

29 posted on 11/25/2005 6:17:03 PM PST by sausageseller (Look out for the jackbooted spelling police. There! Everywhere!(revised cause the "man" accosted me!)
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To: Talking_Mouse
There is a difference of $3 million, overall. But upfront, a difference of $17 million. Conservatively invested the $3 million difference would be matched in 2 years. Over 30 years of investment the college could have $45 million more by taking Daystars offer. And thats not taking compounding into acount.
Financially the original Daystar offer was much, much better. The second one was a definite no brainer. And to avoid either one was an obvious case of bias.
30 posted on 11/25/2005 6:45:26 PM PST by mountn man (Everyone brings joy into a room. Some when they enter. Others when they leave)
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To: Pharmboy
Yep...commies, nazies = same thing.

I totally agree. Sometimes I wonder if we chose the wrong side to fight for in WW2.
31 posted on 11/25/2005 7:18:59 PM PST by Now_is_The_Time
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To: writer33

I resent your comment about my head. It's my only body part that I bother to wash :-)


32 posted on 11/25/2005 7:31:04 PM PST by RightWingAtheist (Free the Crevo Three!)
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To: balrog666; streetpreacher
One of which is that retards keep posting to me. Please don't.

You can always leave...

I'm an atheist and I agree with streetpreacher...

balrog666 is a loser name for someone who's only purpose here on FR is to defame the religious people.

Of course, when you really look at it, the screen name is a pathetic attempt at a harrowing display of blasphemy by a guy who thinks equating himself as some big bad hobgoblin is too scary for anyone to challenge... just a pathetic anti-Christian and wannabe satanist...

Enough already balrog666, you are too incompetent and ignorant to be a Satanist...

33 posted on 11/25/2005 7:58:02 PM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: Pharmboy

Usually I'd be rooting for the PBS affiliate to lose this sort of contest.
The sad thing is that KOCE is the PBS affiliate in the LA/SoCal area
that actually isn't totally sold out to the left.

It's just too bad the judge can't give DayStar the license now held by
the total-leftist PBS affiliate, KCET in Los Angeles proper.


34 posted on 11/25/2005 9:48:13 PM PST by VOA
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To: RightWingAtheist

Just checked your Freeper "About" page--can you please put me on the bibliopath ping list?


35 posted on 11/25/2005 11:54:03 PM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: Talking_Mouse
The argument now has to be which offer does Coast Community Collage favor the KOCE offer of $28 million, with $8 million down and payments over 30 years; or the $25.1 cash offer.

What is the expected interest rate over that time, and the expected value of investing the money?

36 posted on 11/25/2005 11:55:03 PM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: VOA

Thanks for the clarification. I did not know that.


37 posted on 11/26/2005 3:16:21 AM PST by Pharmboy (The stone age didn't end because they ran out of stones.)
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To: Pharmboy
"Go Daystar!"

Amen!!! Daystar has the moxie and male glands to get the job done.

38 posted on 11/26/2005 5:33:11 AM PST by Tazzer (Christians! Return to snake-handling!!)
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood
I'm an atheist and I agree with streetpreacher...

Nobody cares.

39 posted on 11/26/2005 8:37:39 AM PST by balrog666 (A myth by any other name is still inane.)
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To: grey_whiskers
What is the expected interest rate over that time, and the expected value of investing the money?

If the interest rates is 3/4% per year, or better, the $25.1 million is the higher bid.

It's reasonable to assume that interest rates will be more than 3/4% per year, therefore the single cash bid of $25.1 M would be the higher bid. Everyone involved knows that, but many don't want to admit it, thats why this has become such a problem.

40 posted on 11/26/2005 8:59:19 AM PST by Balding_Eagle (God has blessed Republicans with really stupid enemies.)
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To: balrog666
Nobody cares.

Except you. The fact that you made any response at all is irrefutable evidence contrary to your claim...

Despite what you say, indifference is the greatest form of contempt...

41 posted on 11/26/2005 9:52:16 AM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood

But I like to poop on trolls like you, Il Diavolo!


42 posted on 11/26/2005 12:52:52 PM PST by balrog666 (A myth by any other name is still inane.)
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To: balrog666
But I like to poop on trolls like you,...

Who is really the troll balrog666? You're the one using a hobgoblin for a screen name...

As far as “pooping” on anyone... your mouth is so far open, it would defeat any attempt you could make in doing so...

43 posted on 11/26/2005 1:02:26 PM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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