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Schwarzenegger Mulls Clemency for Williams [Tookie]
AP ^ | 11/25/5 | DAVID KRAVETS

Posted on 11/25/2005 5:58:18 PM PST by SmithL

San Francisco -- Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger said Friday that he would consider granting clemency to Crips co-founder and convicted murderer Stanley Tookie Williams.

After a private hearing with Williams' lawyers at his Sacramento office, Schwarzenegger said he would meet again on Dec. 8 with the lawyers, Los Angeles County prosecutors and others involved.

As governor, he has the authority to commute a death sentence to life without parole. He is not legally obligated to hold a public or private hearing. Schwarzenegger decides clemency requests on a "case-by-case basis," . . .

(Excerpt) Read more at sfgate.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: arnoldhaters; arnoldwillcave; clemency; deathpenalty; justicedelayed; justicedenied; pardonator; rnoldwillcave; servesyouright; tookie; tookiewilliams; whydidntyouvote
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Fry, Tookie, fry!
1 posted on 11/25/2005 5:58:20 PM PST by SmithL
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To: SmithL; goldstategop

I knew it! I fricking knew it that RINOLD would cave! Unbelievable...


2 posted on 11/25/2005 5:59:25 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (JOE WILSON IS A MUTHAFAKING LIAR)
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To: SmithL
Arnold, Sir.

Don't you dare let this b@st@rd get away with these murders.

TWENTY-SIX years have passed since these brutal killings. Williams as lived far too long already.
3 posted on 11/25/2005 6:00:25 PM PST by BenLurkin (O beautiful for patriot dream - that sees beyond the years)
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To: SmithL

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1521593/posts

And people wonder why they really wished for this.


4 posted on 11/25/2005 6:01:22 PM PST by writer33 (Rush Limbaugh walks in the footsteps of giants: George Washington, Thomas Paine and Ronald Reagan.)
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To: SmithL

Being the founder of the Crips, we know he "always" tells the truth. Get a crip.


5 posted on 11/25/2005 6:04:42 PM PST by moog
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

I disagree. I don't think he has any intention of granting clemency, but for political reasons, he won't state his intentions until the very last minute.


6 posted on 11/25/2005 6:05:36 PM PST by SmithL (There are a lot of people that hate Bush more than they hate terrorists)
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To: writer33

California seceding from the Union? That would be nice. But for it to REALLY happen, it would be up to the other states and congress.

2/3 vote from congress and 3/4 of the states approval could (I believe) vote California out of the union.

A nation wide petition should be started!


7 posted on 11/25/2005 6:06:43 PM PST by MaDeuce (Do it to them, before they do it to you!)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Perhaps Tookie's "family" made Arnold an offer he couldn't refuse?


8 posted on 11/25/2005 6:09:29 PM PST by GBA (I believe Congressman Weldon! MSM do your job.)
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To: SmithL
In his 2004 memoir, "Blue Rage, Black Redemption," Williams said that his gangster life ended in 1992.

Williams, 51, has been behind bars since 1979, when he shot and killed four people during two robberies in Los Angeles.

92-79=13

He has been on death row since 1981 and is set to die by injection Dec. 13

Williams has refused to formally renounce his gang membership....

As for his bank account..high profile inmates such as Scott Peterson usually get $10 or $20 checks, Williams receives checks for $500 or $1,000 at a time.

Crittendon also cited Williams' willingness to share an exercise yard with Crips and his unusually large prison bank account. And he said Williams' younger son is a trouble-making Crips member in prison for murder.

link

9 posted on 11/25/2005 6:14:52 PM PST by perfect stranger
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

California FReepers need to call the govenator and tell them that they support the death sentance to be carried out. Just because Hollywood liberals and the media kiss Tookie's butt does not mean justice should be denied.


10 posted on 11/25/2005 6:19:12 PM PST by GregoTX (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.)
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To: perfect stranger

Tookie is a piece of breathing trash and plenty of other people need the oxygen being wasted on him. He's no better than Uday Hussein. In fact, Uday had better taste in clothing, cars and women. Just spike him already and be done with it.


11 posted on 11/25/2005 6:20:15 PM PST by j-damn
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To: SmithL

Isn't leaving convicts on death row for an indefinite number of years cruel and unusual punishment by any rational standard?

Execute the sentence already!


12 posted on 11/25/2005 6:22:04 PM PST by claudiustg (Go Bush! Go Sharon!)
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To: SmithL

Now, now.... he said he is only 'considering' it. I think he's just giving it lip service. If he does grant clemency I wil be very disappointed and Ah-nuld's political career will be over, as any conservative support he has now will disappear.


13 posted on 11/25/2005 6:24:04 PM PST by Rummyfan
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
I knew it! I fricking knew it that RINOLD would cave! Unbelievable...

As governor, it's on his head this guy dies. So considering this, reviewing the case and speaking to those involved in the prosecution is normal. I too would review the case, and then, based on the facts, would do what needed to be done.

14 posted on 11/25/2005 6:25:04 PM PST by Jigsaw John
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To: SmithL
Image hosted by Photobucket.com listen stooopid, the only reason this POS is still alive is because of the wretched legal system out there that YOU said you were going to FIX... FRY HIM!!!
15 posted on 11/25/2005 6:25:46 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist )
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To: SmithL

I don't think he has any intention of granting clemency,...

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Tookie probably threatened to have Arnold's family iced.


16 posted on 11/25/2005 6:26:03 PM PST by Bigg Red (Do not trust Democrats with national security!)
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To: SmithL

My gut feeling says he is going to grant clemency.

How will this effect his chances of being reelected?


17 posted on 11/25/2005 6:26:18 PM PST by sport
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To: j-damn
I recall someone saying that he claims he's innocent of these crimes.

His supporters should be asking for his exoneration, not clemency. Jeez, can't they get anything right?

If they are only asking for clemency then they are admitting that he's a liar.

18 posted on 11/25/2005 6:27:26 PM PST by perfect stranger
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To: SmithL

He needs to stop stealing my oxygen and the oxygen of all law-abiding people. Having said that, so long as he never walks free I will not be happy, but content.


19 posted on 11/25/2005 6:27:38 PM PST by AbeKrieger (Islam is the virus that causes al-Qaeda.)
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To: SmithL

20 posted on 11/25/2005 6:32:50 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: claudiustg
Isn't leaving convicts on death row for an indefinite number of years cruel and unusual punishment by any rational standard?

Yeah, it is, and I'm all for it. Think about it--if you knew the day, hour and minute you were going to die, where it was going to happen, how it was going to happen, who was going to be there--it'd drive a normal man crazy as the clock and calendar clicked you closer every minute.

21 posted on 11/25/2005 6:37:33 PM PST by randog (What the....?!)
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To: SmithL

Tookie should fry.

but given that Arnold's ballot initiatives failed because of lack of conservative voter support - frankly, as a purely political matter - I don't know that he owes the right anything on this issue politically.


22 posted on 11/25/2005 6:38:08 PM PST by oceanview
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To: SmithL

Stanley "Tookie" Williams, at Age 29 (c.1983)
23 posted on 11/25/2005 6:39:38 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Lancey Howard
Hmm, looks like he's a waste of steroids as well...
24 posted on 11/25/2005 6:40:38 PM PST by decal (Mother Nature and Real Life are conservatives; the Progs have never figured this out.)
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To: SmithL

Arnold is a liberal. Don't forget it. He will always do the wrong thing in a situation like this.


25 posted on 11/25/2005 6:40:49 PM PST by satchmodog9 ( Seventy million spent on the lefts Christmas present and all they got was a Scooter)
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To: SmithL

It doesn't matter whether or not he is remorseful or rehabilitated. It is G-D's job to forgive him, our is to send him to G-D. Kill him now.


26 posted on 11/25/2005 6:41:20 PM PST by umgud (uncompassionate conservative)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
Oh, will you shut up?

Arnold HAS to say that he will 'consider' the case. To do otherwise would be a PR disaster.

Tookie is going to die. Arnold is just doing his job.
27 posted on 11/25/2005 6:45:12 PM PST by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
I knew it! I fricking knew it that RINOLD would cave! Unbelievable...

Don't blame me. I voted for McClintock.

28 posted on 11/25/2005 6:45:32 PM PST by Fiji Hill
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To: SmithL
(From Wikipedia)

"Stanley "Tookie" Williams (born December 29, 1953) was the founder, along with Raymond Washington, of the Crips, one of the most widely-known and notorious street gangs."

"He grew up in impoverished South Central Los Angeles where he made a name for himself for being a fighter and a "general" on the streets of the West Side of South Central. He was also known for his bodybuilding, which according to Williams, once earned the praise of Arnold Schwarzenegger himself when the two met in the late 1970s."

29 posted on 11/25/2005 6:45:58 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: MaDuce
There's no clause in the Constitution that allows for forced revocation of membership.

You might be thinking of Article 4, Section 3. "New States may be admitted by the Congress into this Union; but no new States shall be formed or erected within the Jurisdiction of any other State; nor any State be formed by the Junction of two or more States, or parts of States, without the Consent of the Legislatures of the States concerned as well as of the Congress."

30 posted on 11/25/2005 6:55:25 PM PST by Tree of Liberty (requiescat in pace, President Reagan)
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To: Fiji Hill

Ditto


31 posted on 11/25/2005 6:55:43 PM PST by Tree of Liberty (requiescat in pace, President Reagan)
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To: SmithL

Kill him already.


32 posted on 11/25/2005 6:56:13 PM PST by rfreedom4u (Native Texan)
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To: randog

I think, that because of the constitutional prohibition against cruel and unusual punishment a law should be passed calling for execution in a timely and predictible manner.

And no more of this lethal injection non-sense. It's supposed to be a punishment. We're not putting an unwanted dog down; we're executing a criminal! Public hanging is traditional and educational. This Tookie should have been hanged by the county of Los Angeles many years ago.


33 posted on 11/25/2005 6:56:28 PM PST by claudiustg (Go Bush! Go Sharon!)
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To: rfreedom4u
Tookie's date with Justice is December 13th. Don't expect to hear from the Governor much before that.
34 posted on 11/25/2005 6:59:52 PM PST by SmithL (There are a lot of people that hate Bush more than they hate terrorists)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

You knew he would cave? Has he caved? He's merely listening to the attorneys which is SOP before the execution.

Let's see, you never liked Arnold anyway. I can't tell you how he'll vote ... but he had better not grant clemency or his political aspirations will be over immediately.


35 posted on 11/25/2005 7:02:06 PM PST by BunnySlippers
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To: SmithL

Which is how it is done by every governor.

He could grant clemency ... but I don't think he will.


36 posted on 11/25/2005 7:03:06 PM PST by BunnySlippers
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To: SmithL

This man murdered people, ARNOLDDDDDDDD......


37 posted on 11/25/2005 7:04:47 PM PST by freekitty
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To: SmithL
If he grants clemency to a mass murderer, I will NEVER vote for him again.

(Denny Crane: "I Don't Want To Socialize With A Pinko Liberal Democrat Commie.Say What You Like About Republicans. We Stick To Our Convictions. Even When We Know We're Dead Wrong.")

38 posted on 11/25/2005 7:04:59 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: claudiustg

It's a miscarriage of justice to let a death row inmate die a natural death, that's for sure.


39 posted on 11/25/2005 7:08:46 PM PST by thoughtomator (What'ya mean you formatted the cat!?)
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To: claudiustg
Public hanging is traditional and educational.

They should be televised.

40 posted on 11/25/2005 7:13:45 PM PST by Doe Eyes
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To: Jigsaw John

Arnold just needs to insure that the state will do what should have been done 20+ years ago.


41 posted on 11/25/2005 7:17:36 PM PST by darkangel82
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

If he does this Arnold should call off his 2006 election campaign because more law and order conservatives will not vote for him.


42 posted on 11/25/2005 7:18:05 PM PST by Munson
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To: goldstategop

"If he grants clemency to a mass murderer, I will NEVER vote for him again. "


I heard an interview with the former warden of Tookie's prison - he said that while on death row Tookie had committed a series assaults on guard and sexual assaults on other men.

Clemency would send the wrong message to the kids who read his children's books... do something nice and it makes up for gunning down a family in cold blood.


43 posted on 11/25/2005 7:22:55 PM PST by gondramB
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To: darkangel82
Arnold just needs to insure that the state will do what should have been done 20+ years ago.

To be more accurate, about 25 years ago.

44 posted on 11/25/2005 7:24:21 PM PST by Jigsaw John
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To: SmithL
Roger Clinton could be his parole officer. Perfect fit.

And Bill gets his license back soon, he can represent him through the next round of appeals.

45 posted on 11/25/2005 7:53:42 PM PST by glorgau
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To: SmithL

Well .. I have a message for Arnold. If he allows this killer to live .. he will never get re-elected.


46 posted on 11/25/2005 8:06:52 PM PST by CyberAnt ( I believe Congressman Curt Weldon re Able Danger)
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