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Posted on 11/26/2005 9:50:03 AM PST by smoothsailing
Bad tippers and bitter waitresses
By Jack Kemp (not the politician) Nov. 26, 2005
Once, years ago, I heard a heard a lecture by a rabbi on dating. He advised that if your date treats a waiter/waitress or a busboy in a condescending and mean manner, that is the way they will treat you after a while if you were to marry them. Today's New York Post had an article about cheap celebrity tippers listed on the website www.bitterwaitress.com.
I went there to see how many well known political "champions of the little guy and gal" rated. I cross referenced the website with liberals from Bernard Goldberg's One Hundred People Screwing Up America.
Let's see. First up, Michael Moore, 3% tip.
Tipper's Name: Michael Moore (yes THAT Michael Moore)
Where it happened: Los Angeles
Total bill / Tip amount / Percentage: $452.25 / $17.74 / 3%
OK I ran my ass off for this guy and his friends. Funny I didnt know this guy had friends, maybe they were kissups. 2.5 hours they spent shoveling food down their fat faces. Numerous refills. By the way MM is a pompous ass judging from his treatment of the staff.
Let's see again. Barbra Streisand, 2% tip.
Tipper's Name: Barbra Streisand
Where it happened: New York
Total bill / Tip amount / Percentage: $457.00 / $10.00 / 2%
She demanded the best table, acting rude to everyone and then barely tipped.
Next "champion of the people," Jessie Jackson 9% tip.
Tipper's Name: Jesse Jackson
Where it happened: Kansas City
Total bill / Tip amount / Percentage: $228.00 / $22.00 / 9%
What happened: rude,arrogant,demanding and cheap
Next up, Sen. John Kerry, 2% tip.
Tipper's Name: John F. Kerry
Where it happened: St. Louis
Total bill / Tip amount / Percentage: $773.24 / $20.00 / 2%
Added $20.00 on the signature line and then scribbled a little note to vote for him. What a load of crap.
Kerry's former running mate, Sen. John Edwards, 2% tip.
Tipper's Name: John Edwards
Where it happened: Washington, D.C.
Total bill / Tip amount / Percentage: $746.25 / $13.75 / 1%
This is the guy running for Vice President Sat in our private section for 3 1/2 hours and left less than 2%. Jackass.
Former VP Al Gore. 8% tip.
Tipper's Name: Former VP Al Gore
Where it happened: Alexandria, VA
Total bill / Tip amount / Percentage: $40.00 / $3.50 / 8%
Al and Tipper Gore were regulars at the restaurant I used to work at. You'd think this would be cool, waiting on a former Vice President. And it would be, if not for the fact that Al Gore is cheap.
Last time they came in, Tipper actually spilled her beer on me (it's not smart to gesture wildly with a bottle of Corona on your table). She didn't apologizehe apologized for her. Still. Less than 10%. You'd think they'd know that the 'underclass' the Democrats claim to represent are people like waitresses in VA making $2.13 an hour. Guess not.
Lastly, Sean Penn, 0% tip. Nada. Zip. Zero.
Tipper's Name: Sean Penn
Where it happened: New Orleans
Total bill / Tip amount / Percentage: $450.00 / $0.00 / 0%
Sean Penn is in New Orleans filming & came into my restaurant with 3 other people. Waited on them hand and foot. The bill $450.00 the tip: none. Cheapskate.
There you have it. The champions of "fairness" and "the little guy." Yes, President Bush and VP Cheney made the website as well. But who is claiming them as champions of the poor and oppressed victims, advocating extra government payments to make up for past suffering, etc.?
Thomas Lifson adds:
I have followed Bitter Waitress for years. It is well-known in the food and beverage industry, and at least at the upscale restaurants, it has a big following among the wait staff. When one of these bozos comes in, they usually will not treat them overtly rudely. But vengeance of another sort may sometimes occur. Let the diner beware.
Most people realize that watitrons (that's the non-sex-specific term favored theses days, believe it or not) are usually paid less than minimum wage, and that tips provide the margin of survival (to use leftist terminology) for them. To stiff a tip is to relegate someone to below minimum wage. This makes the behavior of these compassionate liberals all the more phony. Judge them by their deeds not their words.
I absolutely agree with Jack's rabbi that the best way to judge someone's character is to observe behavior with those who have no power or standing, and to do so in private in the case of celebrities and politicians. I have used this as a guide to friendships for almost my entire life, and it has proven highly reliable.
I haven't worked in kitchens or as wait staff -- but I have spent time in kitchens, scrounging free meals from friend chefs etc. and have seen stuff that would curl your hair.
People generally don't leave small tips or annoy the wait staff with unreasonable requests because the service is inherently bad. They do those things because -- very simply -- they don't know how to behave in a restaurant.
This is indeed a highly reliable guide to character and temperament.
My future spousal unit impressed me by always leaving a nice tip, even when we were poor, and giving extra if the waititron did extra work. SU reasoned "Hey, been there, done that, know how much work it is, glad I'm on the tipping side now."
Also lefties despise individual giving of any sort, including charity, because it undermines their arguments for bigger and bigger guvmint.
If someone can make good money waiting tables, then there is no need to raise the minimum wage.
If someone can have needs met through private charity, then there is no need for a guvmint "safety net."
And then takes time to scribble a note to *vote for him*?
What a load.
Except when he leaves the tip on the bed . . .
ha ha - I also have left no tip exactly once in life and it also was at an IHOP!
Next time, the waiter(ess), should bring him "Hunts" ketchup!
The site doesn't have any sort of editing oversight or story verification, so anyone with a political axe to grind can post. The president, for example, is listed six times in the database.
I was at a restaurant once where the waitress wrote "have a good day" over the part of the bill that showed the addition of a required 15% tip. When I saw that, I withdrew anything additional. I hate being conned.
(Denny Crane: "I Don't Want To Socialize With A Pinko Liberal Democrat Commie.Say What You Like About Republicans. We Stick To Our Convictions. Even When We Know We're Dead Wrong.")
I've had friends (and they have friends) who have told me some curling-hair stories too.
To be clear, I have never "stiffed" meaning leaving no tip at all. I don't believe I've ever had service that would even make me think of it and I'm hard pressed to recall leaving even a small one.
Your tone sounded quite confrontational [of course it's difficult to say for sure when merely reading, not hearing]. But I still can't get my head around how leaving a tip that might be smaller than a waitron would want is "stealing" from them. That is rubbish. It reminds me of the old joke that goes: if you walk you save the 75-cent bus fare, but if you run behind a cab you save $10.
the driver a huge tip, $3 -- equal to perhaps $50 today.
In the late fifties and early sixties $3 was a lot of money. It would purchase four loaves of wonder bread, four quarts of milk plus a pound of hamburger.
about what$12 would buy today.
I always tip 20 Percent for Good service. Even is the food is lousy which is not the fault of the waiter. I tip 25 if they go above and beyond.
I walked out of a IHOP without paying let alone leaving a tip. When I was starting to pore to maple syrup I observed a live roach stuck to the can trying to free its self. I then saw,I presume,its mate, standing on my over easy eggs, beseeching me to release her husband.
What attracted me to Conservatism and the Republican Party was the emphasis on faith in all men and women. What turned me off of Leftist politics was the usefullness of the "working class" (read: producers) to gain power and control by unscrupulous "men of the people".
Maybe my tone was a bit confrontational. Having a good meal out with friends, etc. in a nice restaurant is one of the major pleasures in life.
The problem today is that many people don't know how to behave in a restaurant. They see it as an opportunity to exert some measure of pointless power over the wait staff. They scarf down their food as if it's a competition for speed. And table manners have deteriorated to the point of shameful...
He is nice person for real just like Drew Carey. We should have more people like them. Not only they tipped their servers good but they are being nice and not making trouble. Too bad, we still have to gone through with some customers that always wanted to be treated like royal families. To make thing worst, some will make a big mess on a table, asking too many questions on little things, having too many refills, too impatience.., rude reply.. or non-reply when being asked a question politely.. no tips.. etc.. Man, I am just a server not their personal servant..
That's really funny!
I learned that you started at 10%. Only in recent years have I heard that 15% should be considered norm, and I'm not sure who is the one doing the considering. As I've stated, as food prices have risen, so has the tip, and as someone who has both waited tables (for a short period of time) and sold on commission rates much less than 10% for much less in sales in a day or night than a good waiter will rack up in a shift, 15% should be considered exceptional.
I rarely drink and never at a restaurant, so while my ticket might be a lower one for their night, I am also very low maintenance. Tonight, we left about 15% or so for what we considered very good but not exceptional service (as I stated, we typically round up a bit). But my tea was refilled twice, my wife's drink once, and he made perhaps 4 other trips to our table. I think he got what he deserved.
Dang! He's being pretty obvious about it and the young lady to his right is still star-struck!
That is the post.
Jeepers. Thanks for the ping!
For years it was always 15 per cent...it was drummed into me 15 per cent! Now I'm a cheap skate if I don't pay 20 per cent?...I'm sorry but restaurant prices have also risen over the years thus even though my tips are 15 per cent, my tips have risen in the same ratios as the prices. Now I'm expected to pay 20 per cent? fagettaboud it!
Depends on the local tax rate. Well, with that formula, the waitress will always get less if you calculate it off the tax. The effective tax rates seem to run between 4% and a little over 9%.
A $10 tab at 4% tax would be 2.00 and 1.56; at 9% 2.00 and 1.64.
The one time I'm sure didn't leave a tip was when I found dirt all over my salad and the waiter acted as if he didn't care. Otherwise, I tip twenty percent. Not tipping isn't stealing because it's a add-on benefit and not pay or entitlement. Some people act as if you should tip them for merely doing what their job requires and not beyond what their job requires (like Starbucks baristas!).
My husband and I frequent a neighborhood eatery (a pizza place with a separate, small restaurant room where you go for the food, not the atmosphere) and the wait staff get to know you as a regular. One evening there was a family with a screaming toddler; he was really laughing, and at the parents' prompting - the mother was actually encouraging him to laugh with screeches, then would look around as if to say "what can I do?" When our waitress came with the bill she asked how everything was, as usual, and I said "well the food and the service were great..." She looked at me and quietly said "I hear ya!" It annoyed her even more than it did us, as we could leave! She got a larger than usual tip that night.
I worked as a waitress for a number of years. Customers usually base the tip on the post-tax total. However, in situations where the restaurant's computer software adds the tip to the check, the computer calculates using the pre-tax total (at least in the places where I worked). So, while tipping based upon the pre-tax total may be technically correct, it rarely happens and normally annoys the waitress.
My stone dead cold lowest tip is 10%, for worst-case scenarios of extraordinary rudeness or long-term disappearances.
Twenty percent rounded up to the next dollar is the decent thing to do and, yes, in bars it can easily go higher.
I prefer tips/service to be included in the price. I think it is a form of begging.
Like most of us, I've had ups and downs in life and am very grateful for what success I have now. Even during the hard times I maintained faith in myself, tried to treat everyone fairly, and when I could afford to eat out somewhere I always tipped well. I found that many times, when I needed it most,people "unexpectedly" helped me along the way. Its a Karma thing.
I am by no means rich, but unless the service is poor I always tip 20%. It may seem excessively generous to you but I consider it my way of giving back. Most people waiting tables really need the money.
Also, I like to go places where people remember my name and treat me kindly because they know I appreciate them and actually give a give a damn about their well being.
You're right...I agree. The customer tip should be earned.
However, I am always surprised at the number of people who claim that 10% is the limit, even for good service.
In other words - the quality of the service is reflected in the quantity of the tip. As I stated in my earlier post!
As someone who's worked in food service over the years, both behind the scenes and as a "waitron," I see the importance of tipping. I usually start at 15%, unless there are problems with service. If I ever leave less than 15%, I make sure that I let the server know why. I don't include things like screwed up food, that's the problem of the kitchen staff, and I'll let the manager know that there's a problem. If service is particularly good or bad, I always let the manager know as well.
One time, I let the manager and server both know that I wasn't leaving a tip due to the server not bringing out our drinks, salads, or appetizer. Once she brought out our dinners, she just dropped them and disappeared again. I tried flagging down anyone else to get silverware, and ask for our waitress. It took another 10 minutes before our waitress came out, after I had walked over to the waitress station and picked up silverware and a pitcher of water. To say that I was very disappointed would be a huge understatement. The manager promised that he would "do something," but when the check came, the appetizer and drinks were still on it. Before allowing the waitress to clear our table, I asked her where the dishes for the appetizer, or the glasses for our drinks were? She said "huh? I don't know." My response was, "you don't see them, because we never got them. I'd like them removed from our check." She told me that it was "in the computer," and she couldn't do anything about it, so I demanded to see the manager one more time. Given the trouble, I would have expected at least one free meal, but at least he took off the charges for things that we never got. I also told him and the server why there was not going to be a tip. I never went back to that restaurant, recommended against it, and noticed that they closed a few months later.
I don't know. I guess because I was on the other side I see things differently too. Often I leave way more than "required" My point was that waiters aren't my employees and it should be my decision what I want to leave. I have just gone and got silver wear or refilled my own drinks before. Many times its just new, nervous or over worked kids.My husband will roll his eyes because I tend to help clean up the table." I think deep down I'm uncomfortable being waited on and prefer to take care of others. I have only had an encounter with one rude waitress. It was at a Chinese restaurant in Florida. My son was in the Navy and we went to see him. She didn't like our orders and preceded to tell us what to choose. I got what I wanted though. My son for some reason had carried in a bottle of soda with him. He sat it on the table and she walked by and grabbed his glass and told him "no free ice" after he had finished his drink. We all just laughed.. He shouldn't have carried it in but she overreacted. She was left no tip . Nada.
Actually, there IS a minimum wage for people who depend on tips, but it's extremely low. The last time I checked, and it's been a long time, it was about $2.13/hr. But most servers not only have to tip the bus workers and bar tenders, but there's a minimum percentage of their food and drink sales that they have to declare as income for tax purposes. Of course, if you make more than the minimum, you need to declare that.
Well, you could probably figure this out by my posts but I don't believe in a minimum wage either. People will work for what they can get. If someone is paying slave wages they won't keep help. That said, if we have to have one it should be for all, with tips being counted as added income. Most places around here pay minimum wage or better anyway. People aren't going to work for two dollars an hour regardless of how much they can get in tips.
Some people are very cheap. Those people are indeed sad individuals. I hope they never have to work in the service industry.
Again, pretty interesting topic to me. It's up to about 290 replies now. I'd be pretty interested in knowing how a topic like this would fare over on DU or Kos, or do they even entertain anything not to do with politics? Are Democrats in general lousy tippers? Anybody have posting privileges over there?
"Should really be applied to Hillary instead, especially by the waitress she stiffed. Calves that only a cow could love...."
That was my first thought. But to be fair, you aren't expected to tip well if you get lousy service or treatment, if anything.
For those interested in the finer points of tipping, a penny at the edge of the table is the highest compliment you give a waitress, unless of course, there's no tip along with it. =] A lot of waiters/waitresses don't even know that obscure coded message though. And it's not to be done habitually.
Why tip on tax?
Im guessing you have never worked in a service industry or have not heard that the cost of living does increase over time. I have been in this industry for seven years and currently as of january our base pay is a little over 3 dollars. Once I have tipped out 4 percent of my sales I make an average of 8 dollars an hour on a good week. Try paying for college, children, and a mortgage on that income. If you don't tip I don't get paid so please start having a little compassion for those hard, struggling workers.
Anything over 15% should be because of extra service. All servers must report tips and tip out at end of there shift to the hostess, bartenders, bussers, plus the hourly rate of “next to nothing”. So if the bill is 400.00 the server still has to tip out on thier total sales,so, again.. 15% of 400$ is 60.00 so leaving less or god forbid nothing means the server still had to tip out, so She Paid to wait on the lousy tipper. Personally I tip 20% unless service truly sucked. Even then they get 15%.
You sound like someone I know who tips near the worthless level. My neighbor is a manager at an upscale place in the French Quarter of New Orleans. The wait staff makes about $2.50 an hour. When they work hard they deserve their tip. When they are rude and obnoxious they deserve less. Leaving nothing is almost never right. Anything 10 % or less is not acceptable when service has been ok. When service is good to great at least 15 % is needed. 20 % is excellent. There you have it.
I would venture to say that Ellen Degenerous (sp.) tips very well as she used to work at a French Quarter rest. Former ones usually do tip well.
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