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Bad tippers and bitter waitresses
American Thinker ^ | 11-26-05 | Jack Kemp

Posted on 11/26/2005 9:50:03 AM PST by smoothsailing

Bad tippers and bitter waitresses

By Jack Kemp (not the politician) Nov. 26, 2005

Once, years ago, I heard a heard a lecture by a rabbi on dating. He advised that if your date treats a waiter/waitress or a busboy in a condescending and mean manner, that is the way they will treat you after a while – if you were to marry them. Today's New York Post had an article about cheap celebrity tippers listed on the website www.bitterwaitress.com.

I went there to see how many well known political "champions of the little guy and gal" rated. I cross referenced the website with liberals from Bernard Goldberg's One Hundred People Screwing Up America.

........

Let's see. First up, Michael Moore, 3% tip.

Tipper's Name: Michael Moore (yes THAT Michael Moore)

Where it happened: Los Angeles

Total bill / Tip amount / Percentage: $452.25 / $17.74 / 3%

What happened:

OK I ran my ass off for this guy and his friends. Funny I didnt know this guy had friends, maybe they were kissups. 2.5 hours they spent shoveling food down their fat faces. Numerous refills. By the way MM is a pompous ass judging from his treatment of the staff.

............

Let's see again. Barbra Streisand, 2% tip.

Tipper's Name: Barbra Streisand

Where it happened: New York

Total bill / Tip amount / Percentage: $457.00 / $10.00 / 2%

What happened:

She demanded the best table, acting rude to everyone and then barely tipped.

..........

Next "champion of the people," Jessie Jackson 9% tip.

Tipper's Name: Jesse Jackson

Restaurant: Sam's

Where it happened: Kansas City

Total bill / Tip amount / Percentage: $228.00 / $22.00 / 9%

What happened: rude,arrogant,demanding and cheap

......... 

Next up, Sen. John Kerry, 2% tip.

Tipper's Name: John F. Kerry

Where it happened: St. Louis

Total bill / Tip amount / Percentage: $773.24 / $20.00 / 2%

What happened:

Added $20.00 on the signature line and then scribbled a little note to vote for him. What a load of crap.

......

Kerry's former running mate, Sen. John Edwards, 2% tip.

Tipper's Name: John Edwards

Where it happened: Washington, D.C.

Total bill / Tip amount / Percentage: $746.25 / $13.75 / 1%

What happened:

This is the guy running for Vice President… Sat in our private section for 3 1/2 hours and left less than 2%. Jackass.

.........

Former VP Al Gore. 8% tip.

Tipper's Name: Former VP Al Gore

Where it happened: Alexandria, VA

Total bill / Tip amount / Percentage: $40.00 / $3.50 / 8%

What happened:

Al and Tipper Gore were regulars at the restaurant I used to work at. You'd think this would be cool, waiting on a former Vice President. And it would be, if not for the fact that Al Gore is cheap.

Last time they came in, Tipper actually spilled her beer on me (it's not smart to gesture wildly with a bottle of Corona on your table). She didn't apologize—he apologized for her. Still. Less than 10%. You'd think they'd know that the 'underclass' the Democrats claim to represent are people like waitresses in VA making $2.13 an hour. Guess not.

.........

Lastly, Sean Penn, 0% tip. Nada. Zip. Zero.

Tipper's Name: Sean Penn

Where it happened: New Orleans

Total bill / Tip amount / Percentage: $450.00 / $0.00 / 0%

What happened:

Sean Penn is in New Orleans filming & came into my restaurant with 3 other people. Waited on them hand and foot. The bill $450.00 – the tip: none. Cheapskate.

........

There you have it. The champions of "fairness" and "the little guy."  Yes, President Bush and VP Cheney made the website as well. But who is claiming them as champions of the poor and oppressed victims, advocating extra government payments to make up for past suffering, etc.?

.............................

Thomas Lifson adds:

I have followed Bitter Waitress for years. It is well-known in the food and beverage industry, and at least at the upscale restaurants, it has a big following among the wait staff. When one of these bozos comes in, they usually will not treat them overtly rudely. But vengeance of another sort may sometimes occur. Let the diner beware.

Most people realize that watitrons (that's the non-sex-specific term favored theses days, believe it or not) are usually paid less than minimum wage, and that tips provide the margin of survival (to use leftist terminology) for them. To stiff a tip is to relegate someone to below minimum wage. This makes the behavior of these compassionate liberals all the more phony. Judge them by their deeds not their words.

I absolutely agree with Jack's rabbi that the best way to judge someone's character is to observe behavior with those who have no power or standing, and to do so in private in the case of celebrities and politicians. I have used this as a guide to friendships for almost my entire life, and it has proven highly reliable.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Miscellaneous; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: beer; cheapjackasses; cheapskates; cheaptippers; hatepoorpeople; hateworkingclass; liberals; michaelmoore; mrpink; reservoirdogs; tipping; tips
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1 posted on 11/26/2005 9:50:04 AM PST by smoothsailing
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To: smoothsailing

What kind of moron, who is a billionaire and running for President, grossly undertips?

A good tip might be worth a half dozen votes.


2 posted on 11/26/2005 9:53:01 AM PST by furquhart (Gingrich '08)
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To: smoothsailing
Naturally Leftists are poor tippers. They think their mere presence is enough compense to all the "lowly workers."

If Leftists weren't invariably atheists, they'd think they were God's gift to God.

3 posted on 11/26/2005 9:53:27 AM PST by Prime Choice (Mechanical Engineers build weapons. Civil Engineers build targets.)
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To: furquhart
What kind of moron, who is a billionaire and running for President, grossly undertips?

The kind who thinks he's entitled to the Presidency because he's "so sophisticated" and "so progressive" and "so international", that's who.

4 posted on 11/26/2005 9:54:25 AM PST by Prime Choice (Mechanical Engineers build weapons. Civil Engineers build targets.)
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To: Prime Choice

There was another story about chartity giving with the same message earlier this week. The liberal states don't give...they expect another government program.


5 posted on 11/26/2005 9:56:40 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: smoothsailing
My boss treated us to dinner a couple weeks ago. So I tipped. When I gave 20% of the bill at least half the table chastized me telling me I'd never get rich that way & the rich never tip much at all. They tried to get me to take some off the table!

I told them I'm already rich. My life is blessed.

I think EVERYONE in life should work in a restaurant setting. It gives you an understanding of actually WORKING for your pay. When these liberal wealthy folk stiff them - shame on them!

6 posted on 11/26/2005 9:57:32 AM PST by mosquitobite (As the Iraqis stand up, we will stand down.)
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To: smoothsailing
I'm no fan of any of these guys but a tip should be what the customer sees the extra service is worth. We only have the servers viewpoint here. I have been to places where I left a minimal or no tip. If it is automatically deducted I ask to opt out. If I can't I don't add any more.
7 posted on 11/26/2005 9:57:40 AM PST by CindyDawg
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To: Prime Choice
There was an article about Limo Drivers in our local rag a year or so...the one they interviewed ragged on Barry Bonds* who not only didn't tip, but refused to pay.

Bonds* and other coddled type just always assume some worshipper is picking up the tab.

8 posted on 11/26/2005 9:58:05 AM PST by ErnBatavia (Frist would be a great Majority Leader if he had 65 seats..make that 75)
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To: Prime Choice
If Leftists weren't invariably atheists, they'd think they were God's gift to God.

LOL! That's a great line, PC, and how true!

9 posted on 11/26/2005 9:58:16 AM PST by smoothsailing
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To: smoothsailing

I think part of the problem is that none of these "special" people has ever been a waiter, or held any other real-life job. People who've been there are much more likely to be polite to a waiter (and tip an adequate one generously), and to be pleasant to a store clerk, security guard, etc.

(Note to self, make sure all offspring work at least one service job.)


10 posted on 11/26/2005 10:00:01 AM PST by Tax-chick (Advent starts November 27 ... have you dusted yet?)
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To: smoothsailing
Minimum tip, 20%. If the service was really good, it can go as high as 50%.

And if, as chef, I get tipped by a client, I split the tip with the kitchen, including the dish-washer. $600 was the largest tip I ever received. My kitchen was very happy that night.

/john

11 posted on 11/26/2005 10:00:08 AM PST by JRandomFreeper (D@mit! I'm just a cook. Don't make me come over there and prove it!)
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To: smoothsailing
Thanks for posting this! My son is a waiter and we are having a good laugh. He hasn't ever waited on a celebrity, none would dare dine where he works, but he has some interesting stories about people and their tipping habits.

Many don't realize that not only do they earn well below minimum wage, they also have to give a percentage of their food SALES to the busboy and bartender.

12 posted on 11/26/2005 10:00:17 AM PST by jan in Colorado (Cowards cut and run, Marines never do!)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
I know the one of which you speak. There was another piece like that last year (which naturally got no prime-time or front-page coverage) that showed that all the "evil conservative red states" were far more generous to charities throughout the year than the "good and enlightened blue states."

Leftists, it seems, are only generous with other people's money.

13 posted on 11/26/2005 10:00:18 AM PST by Prime Choice (Mechanical Engineers build weapons. Civil Engineers build targets.)
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To: smoothsailing
Does this surprise anybody? The cheapest, most money hungry people in the world are liberals.

That is why they always want more of YOUR money.

14 posted on 11/26/2005 10:00:54 AM PST by Dr.Syn
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

That's what I thought about. Seems the poor are more willing to help the poor. Liberals have always been more talk than action, though.


16 posted on 11/26/2005 10:01:33 AM PST by mlc9852
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To: smoothsailing

Of all of those I can't believe the John Kerry one-after all it is not his money-it's Theeeeraaaaza'a he didn't lift a finger for it-you would think he, as is his fashion, would be a little more "liberal" with it.


17 posted on 11/26/2005 10:02:18 AM PST by mrmargaritaville
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I always ask the following question on tip threads: when calculating the 20%, does one use the pre- or post-tax total?


18 posted on 11/26/2005 10:02:24 AM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: smoothsailing

A blast from the past -- this gem was left out:



With Carl Limbacher and NewsMax.com Staff
For the story behind the story...

Saturday February 12, 2000; 3:01 PM EST

'It Takes A Village To Tip A Waitress,' Says Right-Wing Web Site

Who says members of the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy don't have a heart?

As news percolated through the Internet Friday that Hillary Clinton had
accepted a hearty free breakfast at an upstate New York diner and then
stiffed the waitress out of her tip, charter VRWC members at the Web site
Free Republic were taking pledges to make up for the First Freeloader's
stinginess.

As of Saturday morning, the "It Takes A Village To Tip A Waitress Fund" had
collected over $250.00 in pledges.

Within 24 hours of its first report in the Washington Times, the story of the
Hillary's snub of "Trish" the waitress (her boss at the "Village House" diner
in Albion, N.Y., won't release her full name) had become a defining moment in
Clinton's bid to become that state's next U.S. senator.

The First Freeloader initially ordered oatmeal to go, so the story goes. But
then Her Stinginess ripped up her diet and ordered up scrambled eggs topped
with cheese, hash browns and rye toast. Next, when she thought nobody was
looking, she wolfed down a second helping of eggs.

The cholesterol-laden Senate candidate thanked her hosts and made a beeline
for the door - without leaving so much as a penny tip for poor Trish, who not
only had to schlep all that food to Her Hungriness, she's also a struggling
single mom who works for below minimum wage and has to pay her own health
insurance.

NewsMax.com is happy to endorse any worthy charity, especially this one:

Those who want to help "Trish" can visit Free Republic's "It Takes A Village
To Tip A Waitress" Web page. Or simply send your donation to:

Trish (Hillary's Waitress)
Village House Restaurant
16 East Ave.
Albion, NY 14411-1613


19 posted on 11/26/2005 10:03:21 AM PST by randita
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To: smoothsailing
*tipping hat* Thanks much!   :o)
20 posted on 11/26/2005 10:03:26 AM PST by Prime Choice (Mechanical Engineers build weapons. Civil Engineers build targets.)
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To: CindyDawg

You may want to be wary of foods such as potato salad or tartar sauce in restaurants from now on.


21 posted on 11/26/2005 10:03:57 AM PST by Mr. Lucky
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To: mosquitobite
My granddaughter bussed tables this past summer. Good thing she's not like me who'd follow a cheapskate out to the parking lot giving full details of their generosity!!!
22 posted on 11/26/2005 10:04:22 AM PST by investigateworld (Abortion stops a beating heart)
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To: mosquitobite
I think EVERYONE in life should work in a restaurant setting. It gives you an understanding of actually WORKING for your pay. When these liberal wealthy folk stiff them - shame on them

I agree. And have the experience of some asshat with a condescending attitude trying to show off to some date. I mouthed back to one and luckily my boss backed me up.

23 posted on 11/26/2005 10:05:07 AM PST by doodad
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To: randita
Oh, that'll be a keeper for Shrillary's 2008 nosedive.   >:oD
24 posted on 11/26/2005 10:05:22 AM PST by Prime Choice (Mechanical Engineers build weapons. Civil Engineers build targets.)
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To: 1rudeboy
Post tax.
25 posted on 11/26/2005 10:06:15 AM PST by smoothsailing
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To: moonshine mike

Oh yeah, if I'm in a restaurant and see they're slow - I tip more.

If I sit in a table for longer than a normal meal time - I tip more.

*shrug* Just the way it should be really. I am their employer at that point in time.

I was never a waitress, but I was a hostess. I got to hear the wait staff complain about people & their tipping habits.


26 posted on 11/26/2005 10:06:32 AM PST by mosquitobite (As the Iraqis stand up, we will stand down.)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Who sets this scale? Awhile back it was 15%. 10% used to be acceptable. It wouldn't surprise me if this is coming from the left. If your service is good most will tip accordingly but why should they feel obligated for 20%?


27 posted on 11/26/2005 10:06:35 AM PST by CindyDawg
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To: smoothsailing

I'll have to defend John Kerry here. I did the math, and he tipped 2 and a half percent, not just 2 percent.


28 posted on 11/26/2005 10:06:51 AM PST by PAR35
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To: 1rudeboy

pre-tax, definately. and hubby, who is a very generous tipper, always says you should only tip 10% on the bar/beverage part of the bill


29 posted on 11/26/2005 10:07:19 AM PST by jocon307
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To: smoothsailing

A HISTORY LESSON

Beer and evolution and other facts The two most important events in all of
history were the invention of beer and the invention of the wheel. The wheel
was invented to get man to the beer. These were the foundation of modern
civilization, and together were the catalyst for the splitting of humanity
into two distinct subgroups: Liberals and Conservatives.

Once beer was discovered it required grain, and that was the beginning of
agriculture. Neither the glass bottle nor aluminum can was invented yet, so
while our early human ancestors were sitting around waiting for them to be
invented, they just stayed close to the brewery. That's how villages were
formed.

Some men spent their days tracking and killing animals to BBQ at night while
they were drinking beer. This was the beginning of what is known as the
Conservative movement. Other men who were weaker and less skilled at hunting
learned to live off the conservatives by showing up for the nightly BBQ and
doing the sewing, fetching and hair dressing. This was the beginning of the
Liberal movement.

Some of these liberal men eventually evolved into women. The rest became
known as girliemen. Some noteworthy liberal achievements include the
domestication of cats, the trade union, the invention of group therapy and
group hugs, and the concept of Democratic voting to decide how to divide the
meat and beer that conservatives provided.

Over the years conservatives came to be symbolized by the largest, most
powerful land animal on earth,!
the elephant.

Liberals are symbolized by the jackass. Modern liberals like imported beer
(with lime added), but most prefer white wine or imported bottled water.
They eat raw fish, but like their beef well done.
Sushi, tofu, and French food are standard liberal fare. Another evolutionary
side note: most of their women have higher testosterone levels than their
men.

Most social workers, personal injury attorneys, journalists, dreamers in
Hollywood and group therapists are liberals. Liberals invented the
designated hitter rule in baseball, because it wasn't fair to make the
pitcher also bat.
Conservatives drink domestic beer. They eat red meat and still provide for
their women. Conservatives are rodeo cowboys, lumberjacks, construction
workers, medical doctors, police officers, corporate executives, soldiers,
athletes, and generally anyone who works productively. Conservatives who own
companies hire other conservatives who want to work for a living.

Liberals produce little or nothing. They like to govern the producers and
decide what to do with the production. Liberals believe that Europeans are
more enlightened than Americans. That is why most of the liberals remained
in Europe when conservatives were coming to America. The liberals crept in
after the Wild West was tamed, and created a business of trying to get MORE
for nothing.

And you thought history was boring!


30 posted on 11/26/2005 10:07:26 AM PST by beltfed308 (Cloth or link. Happiness is a perfect trunnion.)
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To: CindyDawg
We only have the servers viewpoint here.

Just wondering, have you ever worked in a restaurant?

31 posted on 11/26/2005 10:07:38 AM PST by mosquitobite (As the Iraqis stand up, we will stand down.)
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To: Temple Owl

This is great!!!


32 posted on 11/26/2005 10:08:04 AM PST by Tribune7
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To: 1rudeboy

A fair tip is between 20% of the pre-tax and 15% of the post tax.


33 posted on 11/26/2005 10:10:55 AM PST by PAR35
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To: smoothsailing

I expected to see Clinton on this list. All I can figure is he must give a ten percent tip, but he is probably spending someone else's money, and he probably leaves with the silverware in his pocket.


34 posted on 11/26/2005 10:11:24 AM PST by layman (Card Carrying Infidel)
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To: mosquitobite

You had to even ask? This sounds like the person who gets 6 of her friends together for a 3 hour lunch at a nice restaurant and tries to leave coins as a tip. I ALWAYS added the 15% on large groups of women after losing huge amounts at lunches as they camped on my tables drinking coffee and splitting dishes.


35 posted on 11/26/2005 10:13:20 AM PST by doodad
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To: mlc9852

Its called the Wellstone disease. They're always generous with someone else's cash.


36 posted on 11/26/2005 10:13:39 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: mosquitobite
When I gave 20% of the bill at least half the table chastised me telling me I'd never get rich that way & the rich never tip much at all. They tried to get me to take some off the table!

Share this story with these cheapskates, it has been around for years:

Suppose that every day, ten men go out for dinner. The bill for all ten comes to $100. If they paid their bill the way we pay our taxes, it would go something like this.

The first four men -- the poorest -- would pay nothing; the fifth would pay $1, the sixth would pay $3, the seventh $7, the eighth $12, the ninth $18, and the tenth man -- the richest -- would pay $59.

That's what they decided to do. The ten men ate dinner in the restaurant every day and seemed quite happy with the arrangement until one day, the owner threw them a curve (in tax language a tax cut).

"Since you are all such good customers," he said, "I'm going to reduce the cost of your daily meal by $20." So now dinner for the ten only cost $80.00.

The group still wanted to pay their bill the way we pay our taxes.

So the first four men were unaffected. They would still eat for free. But what about the other six -- the paying customers? How could They divvy up the $20 windfall so that everyone would get his "fair share?"

The six men realized that $20 divided by six is $3.33. But if they subtracted that from everybody's share, Then the fifth man and The sixth man would end up being PAID to eat their meal. So the restaurant owner suggested that it would be fair to reduce each man's bill by roughly the same amount, and he proceeded to work out the amounts each should pay.

And so the fifth man paid nothing, the sixth pitched in $2, the seventh paid $5, the eighth paid $9, the ninth paid $12, leaving the tenth man with a bill of $52 instead of his earlier $59. Each of the six was better off than before. And the first four continued to eat for free.

But once outside the restaurant, the men began to compare their savings. "I only got a dollar out of the $20," declared the sixth man, then, pointing to the tenth. "But he  got $7!". "Yeah, that's right," exclaimed the fifth man, "I only saved a dollar, too, ........It's unfair that he got seven times more than me!".

"That's true!" shouted the seventh man," why should he get $7 back when I got only $2? The wealthy get all the breaks!".

Wait a minute," yelled the first four men in unison, "We didn't get anything at all. The system exploits the poor!"

The nine men surrounded the tenth and beat him up.

The next night he didn't show up for dinner, so the nine sat down and ate without him.

But when it came time to pay the bill, they discovered, a little late what was very important. They were FIFTY-TWO DOLLARS short of paying the bill! Imagine that!

And that, boys and girls, journalists and college instructors, is how the tax system works. The people who pay the highest taxes get the most benefit from a tax reduction. Tax them too much, attack them for being wealthy, and they just may not show up at the table anymore.

37 posted on 11/26/2005 10:13:45 AM PST by quantim (Detroit is the New Orleans of the north. It was settled by the French and liberals still run it.)
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To: 1rudeboy

It's not that hard, I take the total AFTER TAX and give 20% of that. More if the service was above and beyond. It's very rare that service is bad...or intentionally rude. In fact, I can't really remember a time I was not happy with service. But I'm easy to please!!


38 posted on 11/26/2005 10:13:45 AM PST by Hildy
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To: Mr. Lucky
Why? I tip very well and to people you might not normally. The kids at Sonic treat me very well:') Look, I lied about my age and went to work at Dairy Queen as a teenager. I made 1 dollar an hour. Tips were optional. I worked at a lot of food service places thru school. I never felt I was owed a tip. It was my job to provide the best service I could and I did. If I got tipped I really appreciated it but didn't expect it or a certain amount.
39 posted on 11/26/2005 10:13:59 AM PST by CindyDawg
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To: mosquitobite

I know what you mean. Unless the service is incredibly ghastly, I always tip 18%-20%. I have left no tip exactly once. I was one of three customers at an IHOP, I waited over an hour before my meal appeared. The waiter said he forgot to turn in my order slip, but he did not apologize and seemed exasperated with me for having the nerve to inquire how much longer it would be. Finally, when I asked for tartar sauce with my fish, he stomped off to return with the tartar sauce, which he slammed on the table before stomping away again. Needless to say, he did not receive a tip-and I mentioned on the customer survey that such treatment was probably the reason that they only had three customers in the restaurant.


40 posted on 11/26/2005 10:13:59 AM PST by PalestrinaGal0317 (Cowards cut and run, but Marines never do.)
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To: CindyDawg
That's my personal scale. I generally set it by the amount of time that I'm spending at the table. And I let the waitron know when I sit down that they will be making at least $15 an hour when they are serving me, and I expect good service.

I generally get it.

Since I'm in the business, and most of my meals at top-end establishments are comp-ed, I make sure that I find out what the total would have been, and tip accordingly. I've gone out with a friend for a 'free' dinner that included paired wines for each course, and would have cost $300 had it not been a comp. I tipped out at 25% that night.

/john

41 posted on 11/26/2005 10:14:06 AM PST by JRandomFreeper (D@mit! I'm just a cook. Don't make me come over there and prove it!)
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To: 1rudeboy; All

I always use the post-tax total.

My minimum basic, "no frills not great service" tip is 15%. Overtly rude service gets no tip.

I give 20% nearly all the time, and in cases of exceptional service (special orders handled correctly, service like new drinks without asking, good attitude/personality that adds to the environment, I have given up to 50%.

My two sisters are outstanding waitstaff, and I work in healthcare, which is (or should be) heavily customer service oriented. I know what good service is, and I think people should be lavishly rewarded for great service, if one can afford to do it. (some people really can't...)

That said...I am not surprised by liberals who appear on that site. To be the devils advocate, remember the name of the site...:)


42 posted on 11/26/2005 10:15:40 AM PST by rlmorel ("Innocence seldom utters outraged shrieks. Guilt does." Whittaker Chambers)
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To: CindyDawg
I have been to places where I left a minimal or no tip.

i've only ever done this once in the 25 years i've been paying for my own food at restaurants, and it was a couple of weeks ago... the waitress was GROSSLY incompetent... i left a 27-cent tip... i didn't want her to think i had forgotten by leaving nothing... and i didn't want her to think i was a bad tipper by leaving a couple of bucks... but this has only happened once...

43 posted on 11/26/2005 10:16:11 AM PST by latina4dubya
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To: Prime Choice

What's really amazing is they actually paid their tabs. They usually expect everything to be comped.


44 posted on 11/26/2005 10:17:18 AM PST by Ron in Acreage (It's the borders stupid! "ALLEN IN 08")
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To: smoothsailing
Usually, the fine dining enjoyed by the Kerrys and the Edwards doesn't require gratuities.


45 posted on 11/26/2005 10:17:33 AM PST by Mike Bates (Irish Alzheimer's victim: I only remember the grudges.)
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To: smoothsailing

bttt


46 posted on 11/26/2005 10:17:56 AM PST by aberaussie
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To: smoothsailing
Seeing the amount of some of the bills in the story made me wonder if the dining party was large, i.e. 8-10 people. If so, often there is already a 15%-or-more gratuity already included in the bill.

BTW, I've been in restaurants many times in such instances where the waiter neglects to inform the person picking up the bill that a tip has already been included, knowing that many customers will unknowingly tip an additional 15-20%.

47 posted on 11/26/2005 10:18:53 AM PST by WL-law
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To: smoothsailing

I'm surprised none of them pulled a Hillary Klinton and just walked out without paying in front of the entire staff and then sneered about it when asked by the media. Now that's arrogance! Of course, I haven't been to the website yet, so who knows what I'll find?


48 posted on 11/26/2005 10:19:05 AM PST by Excuse_My_Bellicosity ("Sharpei diem - Seize the wrinkled dog.")
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To: mosquitobite
Uh huh. See #39. I know how hard the work is and that the pay is low. I usually tip very well and above this "minimum" but I just feel it should be extra, depending on service and what I'm comfortable with, and that someone making a fortune on etiquette practices shouldn't be telling me what's acceptable..
49 posted on 11/26/2005 10:19:13 AM PST by CindyDawg
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To: smoothsailing
In addition to watching the way your date treats service help, watch the way he treats his parents. I once almost was arrested for getting physical with a 16 year old boy who was so horribly disrespectful to his parents during a Passover Seder. It was the most out of character thing I've ever ever done. The little S**T insulted his Father in such a crass and vicious way in front of a table of strangers and family (His Father's little old parents too). When nobody did or said anything, I took things into my own hands...literally...Long story short, I got the kid into a room on the next level of the house, pushed him on a chair and read him the riot act. the kid threatened to call the police (I dared him to)..then I went back to the table and told his girlfriend, who was sitting at the table...you can tell the way a man will treat you by the way he treats his parents and if I were her, I'd run like the wind.

I then made him apologize to his Father, in front of everyone by telling him that I'd leave if he were to do so. He did, but then the parents told me they didn't want me to leave. The kid stormed to his room. The parents called me the next day and thanked me (can you imagine). But I was never invited to their home again! LOL!

50 posted on 11/26/2005 10:20:14 AM PST by Hildy
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