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LAPD Bans Officers From Using Glock 21 Pistols-(defect glock owners/lovers heads up)
ktla ^ | November 23, 2005 | Yealee Song

Posted on 11/26/2005 4:51:07 PM PST by Flavius

The Los Angeles Police Department has instructed its officers to stop using Glock 21 pistols because of concerns that the weapons could misfire.

According to Assistant Chief Jim McDonnell, the LAPD's Armory discovered that there may be a mechanical flaw with about two percent of the guns.

Officials with Austria-based Glock Inc. are expected to investigate the matter with the LAPD next week, he said.

The moratorium is being taken as a safety precaution for officers.

The lighter-weight, easier-to-shoot Glocks were approved in August 2003.

About 70 percent of law enforcement agencies across the country use Glocks, a futuristic-looking plastic and metal gun that costs about $500.

Glocks boast a larger magazine capacity, less recoil and a more ergonomic design, making it easier for users to handle compared to the standard-issue Beretta 9 mm.

Copyright © 2005, KTLA


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bang; banglist; glock; lapd; losangeles; news; rerun; search; seenit

By 1907 the board had completed its work and all but the Colt and Savage entries had been eliminated from consideration. A service test of both the Colt and Savage pistols was then authorized with two troops of U.S. Cavalry assigned for this purpose. This initial service test revealed that neither pistol had reached the desired perfection. Accordingly, the Ordnance Department instituted a series of further experiments and informal tests which eventually resulted in the appointment of a new selection board which convened in March of 1911.

The first paragraph of their final report is as follows:

"Of the two pistols, the board was of the opinion that the Colt is superior, because it is more reliable, more enduring, more easily disassembled when there are broken parts to be replaced, and the more accurate."That, in short, explains why the Browning-Colt .45 Automatic pistol was eventually adopted as an official U.S. Service arm and formally designated as the U.S. Pistol, Caliber .45, Model of 1911

1 posted on 11/26/2005 4:51:08 PM PST by Flavius
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To: glock rocks

Glock rocks your attention please


2 posted on 11/26/2005 4:52:45 PM PST by al baby (Father of the beeber)
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To: Flavius

Already posted.


3 posted on 11/26/2005 4:53:32 PM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Y'shua <==> YHvH is my Salvation (Psalm 118-14))
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To: Flavius
Grips by Nutter Butter ?


4 posted on 11/26/2005 4:56:04 PM PST by al baby (Father of the beeber)
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To: Flavius

I recently fired a CZ 9mm pistol...SO sweet...I'll never go back to Glock...


5 posted on 11/26/2005 5:01:05 PM PST by mozarky2 (Ya never stand so tall as when ya stoop to stomp a statist!)
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To: Flavius

I hear that troops in Iraq would prefer using the 1911. Lets give them back the 1911, possibly the AMT Hardballer. Also for that close in house to house, the Thompson SMG .45cal..


6 posted on 11/26/2005 5:01:22 PM PST by Bringbackthedraft (Hillary 2008, if elected YOU DESERVE HER (and HIM! AGAIN!))
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To: Bringbackthedraft

American guns, please!!!


7 posted on 11/26/2005 5:05:20 PM PST by philz
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To: al baby

I shoot Glock in competition. I carry SIG.


8 posted on 11/26/2005 5:08:25 PM PST by glock rocks ("God's gift to you is life itself. What you do with it is your gift to God." - Leo Buscaglia)
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To: glock rocks
Sig .45


9 posted on 11/26/2005 5:12:56 PM PST by txroadkill
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To: thefactor

Glock ping...


10 posted on 11/26/2005 5:16:20 PM PST by Pharmboy (The stone age didn't end because they ran out of stones.)
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To: Flavius

Friends don't let friends shoot MIM parts guns...:)


11 posted on 11/26/2005 5:18:14 PM PST by joesnuffy (A camel once bit my sister...necessitating her untimely death..-Mullet Omar)
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To: Flavius

GLOCK 21

GLOCK 21C


Caliber
.45 Auto

.45 Auto


Action
Safe Action System

Safe Action System


Length (slide)
7.59 in. 193 mm
7.59 in. 193 mm

Height 2)
5.47 in. 139 mm
5.47 in. 139 mm

Width
1.27 in. 32.5 mm
1.27 in. 32.5 mm

Length between sights 3)
6.77 in. 172 mm
7.00 in. 178 mm

Barrel length
4.60 in. 117 mm
4.60 in. 117 mm

Barrel rifling
right, octogonal

right, octagonal

Length of twist
15.75 in. 400 mm
15.75 in. 400 mm

Magazine capacity 4)
10 / 13

10 / 13


Mass (weight)



Empty without magazine
26.28 oz. 745 g
25.93 oz. 735 g

Empty magazine
3.1 oz. 88 g
3.1 oz. 88 g

Full magazine 5)
~12.0 oz. ~340 g
~12.0 oz. ~340 g

http://www.glock.com/g21.htm


12 posted on 11/26/2005 5:19:42 PM PST by Para-Ord.45
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To: txroadkill

I prefer the SIG 226


13 posted on 11/26/2005 5:20:07 PM PST by skimask (Whatever happens it's Bush or Roves' fault.)
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To: Para-Ord.45


PS: Always hated a safety situated inside a trigger.

the idea being that sand and snow would foul it.


14 posted on 11/26/2005 5:23:08 PM PST by Para-Ord.45
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To: Flavius

Lighter weight and less recoil does not make sense, physically.

S&W, Springfield, Kahr, Colt are all fine American manufacturers.


15 posted on 11/26/2005 5:28:06 PM PST by DBrow
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To: DBrow

I just love the 1911


16 posted on 11/26/2005 5:29:22 PM PST by Flavius (Qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum")
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To: Bringbackthedraft
I hear that troops in Iraq would prefer using the 1911.

And the M-14. The .223 can't punch through a cinder block and nail the guy on the other side. The .308 can. Lots of soldiers complaining about the wimpy firepower of the .223 - again.

17 posted on 11/26/2005 5:33:08 PM PST by wyattearp (The best weapon to have in a gunfight is a shotgun - preferably from ambush.)
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To: wyattearp

I remember being in the USMC in the Eighties- and hearing a rumor that the new Commandant wanted to bring back the M-14.

Didn't amount to anything, but we were ecstatic at the time.


18 posted on 11/26/2005 5:52:09 PM PST by Riley ("Bother" said Pooh, as he fired the Claymores.)
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To: Flavius

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1529000/posts?page=1,50


19 posted on 11/26/2005 5:54:50 PM PST by rellimpank (Don't believe anything about firearms or explosives stated by the mass media:NRABenefactor)
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To: Riley

20 posted on 11/26/2005 6:00:39 PM PST by Flavius (Qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum")
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To: mozarky2

***I recently fired a CZ 9mm pistol...SO sweet...I'll never go back to Glock...***

Alas! It is too big for my hand! I'll just have to stay with my Browning Hi-Power!


21 posted on 11/26/2005 6:02:29 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Do I know you from somewhere?)
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To: Flavius

Another dept that needs the 21 lb NY trigger cuz they too can't keep their fingers off the darn thing.

mc


22 posted on 11/26/2005 6:05:11 PM PST by mcshot (I BELIEVE CONGRESSMAN WELDON. Yup! shouting it out!)
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To: Flavius

It's a weirdified M-14! :-)


23 posted on 11/26/2005 6:15:59 PM PST by Riley ("Bother" said Pooh, as he fired the Claymores.)
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To: Flavius

1911 Yes yes! I ever cease to be amazed how much Mr Browning got right. I never have believed in using varmit rifles when my life depends on it. give me good ol 7.62 NATO.
barbra ann


24 posted on 11/26/2005 6:39:50 PM PST by barb-tex (Why replace the IRS with anything?)
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To: Flavius

I wonder where KTLA got some of this information. Can anybody confirm whether or not 70% of our law enforcement agencies carry Glocks. That number sounds too high.


25 posted on 11/26/2005 6:39:50 PM PST by 04-Bravo
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To: Flavius

The new Fulton Armory "evil looking" M14/M1A ... very nice (looks like the SOCOM version).

I bet its about a gazillion year wait to get one from them for about a gazillion $$$$.

Fulton Armory is working on a serious huge backlog (they have a great web site).


26 posted on 11/26/2005 6:52:30 PM PST by MaDeuce (Do it to them, before they do it to you!)
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To: Flavius
Image hosted by Photobucket.comwhen i carry a .45, and it's NEVER had a problem... it fit's both my M-59 rigs too.

27 posted on 11/26/2005 7:15:34 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist ©®)
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To: 04-Bravo

70% does sound high but Glock clearly dominates the cop market. I think price has a lot to do with it along with simplicity of use.


28 posted on 11/26/2005 7:22:35 PM PST by yarddog
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

Which CZ?

Any problems with jams?

They have nice trigger pull and fit the hand beautifully. Of course, everyone has different preferences.

CZ 75 D Compact


29 posted on 11/26/2005 7:55:00 PM PST by School of Rational Thought (Republican - The thinking people's party)
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To: School of Rational Thought

**Which CZ?
Any problems with jams? ***

A Tanofglio Italian production way back iin 1983.
No jams.
I held a CZ75 recently and the grip distance from the back of the grip to the trigger was still too far, one quarter of an inch too long for me.
The BHP and 1911 fit perfectly.
The CZ75 is a beautiful piece of machinery. I should get a CZ version just to say I have one.


30 posted on 11/26/2005 8:21:16 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Do I know you from somewhere?)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

Probably the biggest reason so many departments chose the Glock is as follows.

The darn things work every time. You load the mag, insert, charge the weapon, pull the trigger, and it goes bang.

I have a G17 and a G26. Both work always. Never had a failure of any sort.

Although I sometimes contemplate upping my caliber to the Glock 30, in 45 acp, or one of those new 45 GAP models,I've never really considered deviating from carrying the Glock.

When a goblin is climbing in your bedroom window at 4 am, that isn't the time to wonder if your pistol on the night stand will go off.

I know, I know, there is a shotgun in my locked closet, but I gotta have time to get to it.

The reason they are having trouble is probably some bastardized New York trigger abomination.

Remember the words of Deputy Marshal Sam Gerard, in the film U.S. Marshals, who opined..."Get yourself a Glock, and get rid of that nickel-plated sissy pistol."


31 posted on 11/27/2005 2:47:44 AM PST by Armedanddangerous (Big people are harder to kidnap!)
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To: skimask

I love my SIG in .40-cal


32 posted on 11/27/2005 2:52:44 AM PST by Cuttnhorse
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To: Riley

Interesting. It is the Marines who are clamoring for the M-14 now.

I think that the mission concept of the battle rifle has changed a bit since the M-16 was first issued. The idea was that if you shoot one guy, it takes three out of combat - two to rescue the wounded guy. The Muslims don't care if one of their own gets wounded. They just leave him lie.

Our troops don't need a rifle that wounds the enemy. We need one that kills him outright. Leaving the wounded to die doesn't bother these guys one bit. We also need to be able to fire through a closed door, or through a cinder block or brick wall. Furthermore, the M-16 can't handle the fine sand and dust of the middle east, any more than it could handle the mud of vietnam. It is still too finicky of a gun.


33 posted on 11/27/2005 3:57:14 AM PST by wyattearp (The best weapon to have in a gunfight is a shotgun - preferably from ambush.)
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To: Armedanddangerous

***The darn things work every time. ***

Yeah, but the Glock is so d**ned ugly even though they work! I still like style and the Bhp and 1911 has it.!

All of my firearms go Bang except a little Iver Johnson .22. It works if I ONLY use Winchester high dollar .22s in it.


34 posted on 11/27/2005 4:16:49 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

Sounds like a worn firing pin or a weak hammer spring.


35 posted on 11/27/2005 7:59:38 AM PST by B4Ranch (No expiration date is on the Oath to protect America from all enemies, foreign and domestic.)
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To: B4Ranch

Do you realize that right now, as we type, there are liberals pulling out their hair in horror that people are actually talking about LIKING guns? That's nearly as fun as squeezing off a clip or two at something that looks amazingly like Osama Bin Laden.


36 posted on 11/27/2005 11:56:20 AM PST by bpjam (Now accepting liberal apologies.....)
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To: Riley

One reason they are not likely to do so is that they will be harder for the wimmin sojers to handle. I did basic training with the M-14 and loved those easy hits on man sized targets at 400 meters.


37 posted on 11/27/2005 5:35:13 PM PST by DMZFrank
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To: Sam Cree

Evening Sam: here are some mods you may want to consider for yours. Suu-weeet. OB


38 posted on 11/27/2005 7:59:27 PM PST by osagebowman ((Help us support our troops! - http://freeper.the-hobbit-hole.net/))
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To: B4Ranch

Word in the industry is that some Glocks have been shown to fire from nothing more than frame torque.


39 posted on 11/29/2005 9:13:27 AM PST by Atlas Sneezed (Your FRiendly FReeper Patent Attorney)
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To: Beelzebubba; glock rocks

glock rocks would know about that stuff. I don't.


40 posted on 11/29/2005 9:36:32 AM PST by B4Ranch (No expiration date is on the Oath to protect America from all enemies, foreign and domestic.)
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To: 04-Bravo
I wonder where KTLA got some of this information. Can anybody confirm whether or not 70% of our law enforcement agencies carry Glocks. That number sounds too high.

Glock has pushed that percentage number in some of their marketing, but I think the figure is for the number of agencies who've switched to Glocks.

*More Glock 21 failure story info here*

41 posted on 11/30/2005 2:18:14 PM PST by archy (The darkness will come. It will find you,and it will scare you like you've never been scared before.)
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To: Flavius
Is that a Kimber Desert Warrior?
42 posted on 11/30/2005 2:28:15 PM PST by Malichi
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To: Malichi

yes it is i like it


43 posted on 11/30/2005 4:41:23 PM PST by Flavius (Qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum")
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To: Flavius
PURTY!!!!!

I've got three PARA LDA's. I know, I know the Double-action is not JMB Gospel but I like it.

I know this might be heresy but I'm thinking about buying the new S&W M&P in .40 cal SW. That is if I can find one to buy.

TAW
44 posted on 12/01/2005 9:17:01 AM PST by Malichi
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