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Lawsuit over UC admissions becoming national fight
COPLEY NEWS SERVICE ^ | November 23, 2005 | Matt Krasnowski

Posted on 11/27/2005 12:16:08 AM PST by seastay

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To: Right Wing Professor
Once the X-ray structure was known, most of the previous work on prediction of the RNA fold from the sequence was superseded.

Of course.

As per perceived ad hominum, You are quite defensive.

Sequence analysis, of ribosome RNA or protein sequence or DNA indicate the important regions for structure and function. Structure is function. Conserved residues and motifs tell a lot and provide information to begin deducing structure and designing experiments to infer structure.

In ribosomal structure for example, certain people are subject to being rendered deaf by certain antibiotics. The differences in rRNA sequences between various bacteria that are differentially affected by given antibiotics and the further analysis with human rRNA sequences can indicate why this happens to some people.

I assume you can see why and follow.

All this can be done without a defintive structure derived from X-ray crystallography and are independent of any evolutionary concerns.

101 posted on 11/30/2005 10:04:17 AM PST by tallhappy (Juntos Podemos!)
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To: tallhappy
As per perceived ad hominum, You are quite defensive.

"You are striking me as dimwitted and without curiousity" is a "perceived ad hominum"? What are you, an idiot?

(Please don't take that as an ad hominem, and note the correct spelling)

In ribosomal structure for example, certain people are subject to being rendered deaf by certain antibiotics. The differences in rRNA sequences between various bacteria that are differentially affected by given antibiotics and the further analysis with human rRNA sequences can indicate why this happens to some people.

And yet you resist the idea of analyzing the sequences to find out how the resistance evolved. What are you, dimwitted and without curiosity?

102 posted on 11/30/2005 10:18:24 AM PST by Right Wing Professor
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To: Right Wing Professor
And yet you resist the idea of analyzing the sequences to find out how the resistance evolved.

Not at all.

You earlier stated: But the genomes make no sense except from an evolutionary perspective

I am addressing how sequences, genomes included, do make sense outside of an evolutionary perspective and their analysis is of value even without evolutionary considerations.

In no way did I state or imply any resistance to analyzing evolutionary aspects of resistance or anything else.

103 posted on 11/30/2005 10:42:13 AM PST by tallhappy (Juntos Podemos!)
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To: tallhappy
I am addressing how sequences, genomes included, do make sense outside of an evolutionary perspective and their analysis is of value even without evolutionary considerations.

I suppose it depends on what you mean by 'making sense'. Sure, you can identify streptomycin binding sites in bacterial ribosomes, and look at homologous sites in mitochondrial ribosomes to see if mutations at those sites are associate with deafness; but without an explanation of the homology, which evolution provides, any deductions you make depend on a fortuitous accident.

104 posted on 11/30/2005 10:53:39 AM PST by Right Wing Professor
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To: Right Wing Professor
Sure, you can identify streptomycin binding sites in bacterial ribosomes, and look at homologous sites in mitochondrial ribosomes to see if mutations at those sites are associate with deafness

I'd consider that "making sense".

105 posted on 11/30/2005 11:02:27 AM PST by tallhappy (Juntos Podemos!)
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To: tallhappy

Why are the sigtes homologous? Why would the homology lead to identical binding?


106 posted on 11/30/2005 11:19:27 AM PST by Right Wing Professor
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To: Right Wing Professor
Structure is function. In this case I think the overall structure is the very similar, what occurs though is that hydrogen bonded sites are available given the various polymorphic residues with accompanying small local structre differences.

I'm sure you know this.

107 posted on 11/30/2005 11:32:20 AM PST by tallhappy (Juntos Podemos!)
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To: tallhappy

Problem is that sequence homology over a small tract of a big macromolecule does not guarantee structural homology, as I'm sure you also know.


108 posted on 11/30/2005 11:40:01 AM PST by Right Wing Professor
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To: Right Wing Professor
What you addressing are among the biggest issues in biology now.

The COG CDD projects at NCBI (among others) are trying to address and catalogue various shared structures and domains in proteins.

Domains and motifs can be mixed and matched in different proteins. Recombination events can lead to oncogenic states when domains are mixed. An example is the Hoxd11 were were discussing earlier. The idea that that gene is somehow specific to or in itself directs limb morphogenesis is not really right and I'd hoped to bring that up at some time and this works out well. Hoxd11 as are so many Hox genes (as well as hedgehogs, also mentioned in the SciAm article of another thread) are involved in development seemingly rather generically.

A fusion protein fromed by recombination of a gene called NUP98 and Hoxd11 is, for example, a cause of leukemia. Hoxd11 is found in hematopoietic stem cells and when it becomes dysregulated by the fusion even, the stem cells do not develop (or differentiate) correctly, leading to a proliferation of leukemic cells.

109 posted on 11/30/2005 12:00:08 PM PST by tallhappy (Juntos Podemos!)
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To: tallhappy

bttt


110 posted on 12/02/2005 11:22:58 AM PST by timestax
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To: seastay
"I think the university has the right to require entering students to have a foundation on the subjects the university thinks help provide a preparation for higher education," he said "But I think the schools have a point when they say other courses from other institutions are allowed in, but when a course has 'Christian' in the title it seems to raise a red flag."

This seems to cover it.

111 posted on 12/05/2005 11:13:38 AM PST by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: mlc9852

The trouble is that most Christian colleges are on the small side, and so they can't afford to offer all of the common science majors, like physics, chemistry, and biology. They also usually can't afford to support strong engineering departments.

If you want to be a pocket-protector type, and can't afford Harvard, then public schools are the best way to go.


112 posted on 12/05/2005 11:42:27 AM PST by Constantine XIII
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To: Coyoteman

If by "something" you mean that lots of Freepers will agree with you, then, yeah, you've started something. =)


113 posted on 12/05/2005 11:47:00 AM PST by Constantine XIII
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To: tallhappy

You are striking me as being horribly rude. :P


114 posted on 12/05/2005 11:50:55 AM PST by Constantine XIII
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To: tallhappy

BTW, people do not read papers in scientific journals UNLESS they are very curious. Usually, it isn't exactly light reading!


115 posted on 12/05/2005 11:51:48 AM PST by Constantine XIII
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To: 2ndreconmarine

I don't know if that is a fair assesment.

It takes a pretty dim bulb to try hard and still make a 800 SAT score. :P


116 posted on 12/05/2005 11:54:08 AM PST by Constantine XIII
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To: Constantine XIII
Thanks

What does " :P" mean?

117 posted on 12/05/2005 12:00:07 PM PST by tallhappy (Juntos Podemos!)
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To: tallhappy

Smiley with minor raspberry, IIRC. :)


118 posted on 12/05/2005 12:04:44 PM PST by Constantine XIII
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To: Constantine XIII

Yours is the first response to my comment! I thought surely there would be someone out there who would take exception.


119 posted on 12/05/2005 12:21:31 PM PST by Coyoteman (I love the sound of beta decay in the morning!)
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