Posted on 11/27/2005 6:53:37 AM PST by wjersey
CLEARWATER -- Denny Klein thinks he has found a new commercial use for hydrogen technology.
Working in a small, two-room shop at the Airport Business Center, Klein, 63, said he has developed a gas that speeds welding and fusing times and improves automobile fuel efficiency 30 percent.
Although the technology Klein uses -- electrolysis -- has been around for decades, he said it's the form of gas that comes out of his electrolyzer and the characteristics of the gas that set his hydrogen technology apart.
Klein's gas is two parts hydrogen and one part oxygen. Sound familiar? Yep, it's water.
Electrolysis is a process that uses an electrical charge in water to separate the hydrogen from the oxygen. But coming out of Klein's gas generator, the H2O 1500 electrolyzer, it's not water, he said. Klein, president of Hydrogen Technology Applications Inc., calls it HHO, or the brand name Aquygen.
"You get a huge energy response," Klein said. "But this gas is very, very safe."
Klein -- who employs eight people, four in Florida, three who handle licensing out of Kentucky and his son, Greg, in Ohio -- is no engineer. The Ohio native attended Ohio State University and Capital University in Columbus, Ohio, for business administration.
His aptitude in hydrogen technology came from self-study. He has worked alongside engineers in whirlpool spa and suntanning businesses, and says he has six employees with doctorates on his advisory board.
Klein said he has a patent pending on the gas he has been working on for 12 years. Various models of his H2O electrolyzers are being used across the country in high school shop classes and undergoing testing to be certified for use in welding shops.
Flipping a switch on his H2O 1500, Klein picks up a hose with a metal tip, creates a spark, and instantly a blue and white glowing stream shoots out of the metal tip.
He holds the tip with his fingers to prove how cool it is to the touch, unlike such a tip when oxy-acetylene is burned for welding. But the instant he sets the flame on a charcoal briquette, it glows bright orange. Then, within seconds, he burns a hole through a brick, cuts steel and melts Tungsten.
The temperature of the flame is 259 degrees Fahrenheit. But it instantaneously rises to the melting temperature of whatever it touches, Klein said. Those temperatures can exceed 10,000 degrees Fahrenheit.
"You can't do this with any other gas," he said.
Klein also has outfitted a 1994 Ford Escort station wagon with a smaller electrolyzer that injects his HHO into the gasoline in the car's engine. He said he has increased his mileage per gallon by 30 percent.
That also is undergoing testing from the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency and other private motorsports companies, Klein said.
Klein said he has 19 projects in the works.
Ali T-Raissi, director of the hydrogen research and development division of the Florida Solar Energy Center, said he is not familiar with Klein's HHO or electrolyzer. But he said applying hydrogen technology in that way comes at a price.
T-Raissi said mixing the hydrogen with gasoline will require a change in the typical car engine. And creating the gas requires electricity, which comes at a cost.
"You can increase your mileage performance, but you have to ask: Am I still ahead, or am I behind?"
Klein said his formulation of hydrogen doesn't require altering an engine. And his electrolyzer cost about 70 cents an hour to operate, which he considers a bargain.
Klein said his method for introducing hydrogen into a vehicle to increase mileage is superior to hydrogen used in fuel cells.
One of the biggest challenges facing hydrogen fuel cells is storing the gas. To meet today's driving requirements, it would take a lot more hydrogen than can now be stored safely in a vehicle. Klein's HHO is made on-demand and mixed directly with the gasoline in the engine at slightly more pressure than is currently there.
He said he plans to take Hydrogen Technology, which now has private investors, public in the first half of 2006.
Kind of depends on how much of this gas it produces for that 70 cents.
That is cool.
Seems too good to be true.
We need to get some of the scientist and engineer types to take a look at this.
It sounds suspicious to me, but my technical background isn't in this area.
He's practically bagged himself a Nobel Prize for Scientific Research.
very, very interesting
Hoping-it-works bump
It's Dangerous as all hell. Lots of atomic hydrogen, most powerful acid, atomic oxygen, hydroxyl radicals (OH). It'll essentially etch the surface lifting, say, tungsten atoms free, which then burn (combine with the oxygen) which doesn't sound so bad. But everything else is combining with the oxygen, hydrogen, or hydroxyl. The "Everything else" is unpredictable. And that makes it dangerous.
"Various models of his H2O electrolyzers are being used across the country in high school shop classes and undergoing testing to be certified for use in welding shops."
"Klein also has outfitted a 1994 Ford Escort station wagon with a smaller electrolyzer that injects his HHO into the gasoline in the car's engine. He said he has increased his mileage per gallon by 30 percent."
"That also is undergoing testing from the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency and other private motorsports companies, Klein said."
"He said he plans to take Hydrogen Technology, which now has private investors, public in the first half of 2006."
It does sounds like more than just a pipe dream.
Although I dont much know about these things.
Last time I checked... (OUCH!), 259 degrees will put a nice big burn on you.
This is commonly called "Brown's Gas" and has been around for a very long time. Google for Browns Gas and you'll find hundreds/thousands of sites/pages.
According to the article that would be the "tips of his fingers."
This 'inventor' is infringing on Yull Brown's U.S. Patent (U.S. Patent 4081656, 1978) for Brown's Gas. Hope he has a good lawyer.
Hope his idea works and gets put to good practical use!
I think you are right on. I remember reading about Brown's gas years ago. The "cool feel" at the finger tip is probably related more to heat transfer from a small flame combined with evaporitive cooling from sweat. Same thing that lets people walk over hot coals.
Brown's patent can be found at http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&p=1&u=/netahtml/search-bool.html&r=15&f=G&l=50&co1=AND&d=pall&s1=4081656&OS=4081656&RS=4081656
Sounds like Browns gas. They already use this for welding.
Do a search on the net and see.
I've discovered Brown's gas thanks to the Internet and in the course of discovering how to nearly double the gas mileage in my own pickup truck. If the American public only knew what the government (and their vested interest in tax per gallon of gasoline), car companies and oil companies know about fuel vaporization we would have a revolution.
It is (too good to be true). Hydrogen embrittlement has been a very difficult anamoly in metallurgy for millenia. Fundamentally, hydrogen is the smallest element, and hydrogen ions can needle their way into any metallic matrix. This gives rise to dislocations and reduced strength in the materials exposed to hydrogen. Inducing hydrogen embittlement is enhanced at elevated pressures, temperatures, and strain rates,...i.e. conditions within an internal combustion engine.
Essentially, spiking the fuel with hydrogen is the opposite type of fuel desired by engineers. Formulated hydrocarbons, breaking into smaller components, allows the reaction products to also not be as volitile, and more stable in the engine system. On the flip side, the larger the products, if not simialr to the outside environment, naturally creates different types of pollutants.
I have a bridge in Brooklyn.
Chemically speaking HHO makes no sense. It says that the H in the middle is bonding two ways, which isn't possible.
And there's no mention if H2 or H3 (atomic weight 2 or 3) are being used (or possibly created?) in this process.
So what exactly gives here? What am I missing?
Yes, it does sound familiar, from Yull Brown's patent. Damn thief!
Yull Brown patent excerpt: It has been found that welding with hydrogen and oxygen in an exact 2 to 1 ratio (as when the gases are produced electrolytically) results in a particularly clean, oxide free welded surface and a strong welded joint.
This is a good link for more info: http://www.phact.org/e/bgas.htm
Also at this one we see that guy has ripped off other's technology:
http://www.watertorch.com/links/links1.html
Yes, the first sentence seemed a lot like those 'cold fusion' stories a few years ago. It's probably just a promo press release as they look for investors to keep the research going.
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Oxy/Acetylene is not particularly safe. Wouldn't want to use it on a fuel tank. Wouldn't want to stick your hand in the flame. No industrial process is totally safe.
Your response is typical to anything done today. "It's too dangerous". EVERYTHING is dangerous if used improperly. You ever see that satire about the dangers of water. They called it "dihidrosomthingorother" to make it seem evil and then gave all these "facts" about how people had been harmed by water.
Perhaps this stuff is more dangerous than alternatives (high pressure O2 tanks transported around in old pickups). But NOTHING is totally safe.
My experience has been that no patent is actually "original". It seems like anyone can patent anything and get a lawsuit stirred up, as long as the process is valuable enough.
Patents are not supposed to be granted for something that is "obvious to someone trained in the art". But I work in the GPS applications business, and hundreds of patents were granted to things you can do outdoors, but suddenly adding a GPS to a thing known about for years is patentable. That's BS.
One company I know got a patent on spreading different amounts of fertilizer on farm fields based on GPS and a map. Of course a farmer could have done that manually, but add a GPS, boom, patent. As far as I'm concerned, it would be obvious to any farmer who spread fertilizer based on a map that he could use a GPS to do it.
What's worse, the company that did that original patent about 20 years ago got a "new" patent about 5 years ago that as far as I can tell does exactly the same thing. No difference. They just drastically re-worded the patent application. They even referenced the original patent, but no one was sharp enough to tell that they were describing the same thing.
Under normal temperature/pressure conditions, gaseous hydrogen and Oxygen are both diatomic. That is, they exist in nature as stable molecules H2 and O2. These "stable" gases can coexist in proportions that would form water without actually doing so. It takes a "spark" of energy to blast at least a few molecules of hydrogen and oxygen out of their diatomic state, whereupon they'd be free to recombine as H2O, and releasing MORE energy than what was required as input in the original spark. This, of course, sets off a chain reaction throughout the mixture until all the hydrogen and oxygen are combined.
As near as I can figure, this Clearwater "genius" must be using some highly insulated, temperature/pressure controlled storage vessel to prevent the mixture from combusting. And may also be using weird temperature/pressure conditions to hold the H and O in their unstable monatomic states.
Pretty nifty engineering, if that's what he's doing.
But I'd prefer viewing any demonstration from at least a mile away.
You remember the 'Fisher Carb' huh?
btttt
Yep. I hope this is real science and not scientology.
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That would presumable include the probe used to measure the temperature.
Cargill or ADM, perchance?
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