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Posted on 11/28/2005 5:04:53 PM PST by dj_animal_2000
Bosnia: Haven for Islamic radicals?
By Nicholas Wood International Herald Tribune
SUNDAY, NOVEMBER 27, 2005
SARAJEVO A police raid last month on an apartment near this city's airport uncovered evidence of an imminent suicide bombing, intensifying the fears of Western security services that Bosnia is becoming a haven for Islamic radicals.
The raid, which was carried out after an extensive surveillance operation by the Bosnian police and Western intelligence services, turned up an arsenal of weapons in the apartment, including suicide vests, about 30 kilograms, or 65 pounds, of exploding bullets and high explosive, and a machine pistol.
Investigators said they also found a videotape in which three men - at least two of them teenagers - are seen asking forgiveness from God for their "sacrifice," a recording made just hours before the raid. The two teenagers were arrested.
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Some have been banned for stating as much....
The Soros fluffers will be along shortly to deny all of this and blame it on the Serbs.
when was destro banned?
Ah, another "You astound me, Holmes" moment.
Bosnia has become a fifth column in Europe...again.
Clinton's war was a mistake. Liberating Muslims from Milosevic's tyranny was a mistake. The US's Bosnian policy is a failed policy. Wesley Clark the Great does not have an exit strategy in Bosnia. The Bosnian War only worsened terrorism. Sound familiar?
The only difference is US troops have been in Bosnia 'forever', whereas they have only been in Iraq for over 2 years.
The Dayton Peace Accords were foolish, but intervening was necesary. Its just that Bill as usually screwed it up
How exactly was it necessary to intervne? The Serbs were doing in there country what we need to do in ours.
After a decade, all that's been gained has been one village filled with displaced Mujahadeen who are under close watch by our intel guys, and a couple Bosnian teens who've decided that martyrdom is the way to go.
This is just more Serb BS trying to retroactively justify their war by turning it from a war against the 'Turks' and 'Ustashe' (forget about the hundreds of Catholic churches dynamited by Serbs in Croatia and Bosnia) into a war against Al Qaeda - but nobody with half a clue is buying it.
Which is why our Balkan policy hasn't changed much through three successive Presidential administrations, Serbia is still on our sh*t list, and our Balkan threads remain such interesting places.
Still trying to blame all of the anti-Church actions of the collective Communists on the Serbs alone, eh Hoppy? No one buys that Bravo Sierra, not even Soros.
Want to explain why in our country we "need" our police and military to commit mass murder of civilians, rape women, loot houses, burn villages, and blow-up the Mosques and Catholic Churches?
How exactly was it necessary to intervne? The Serbs were doing in there country what we need to do in ours.
Serbs never are and probably never will be Democractic and CAPITALISTIC. Please don't EVER compare them with America.
Never underestimate the willingness of the Soros fluffers to repeat old lies. It's all they have, you know.
I know the anti-Serb propaganda, bought and paid for with heroin money, was effective and deluded the Clintonistas, but the truth will come out, marky.
Just like your Muhammedan thugs will come out of Kosovo in due time.
Let's play a game...."SPOT THE MUDJAHADIN"
Murdering tens of thousands of Muslim Civilians? Now, I have no sympathy for those who were harboring terrorists or rebels, but much of this was ethnic cleansing, and I think that warrants intervention.
Well short of outright massacre of Innocent, law abiding Muslim Civilians, Im with ya. That Bosnian Army (pictured above) should be erased off the face of the Earth. You may argue you can't wage a war against Islamic Fundamentalism unless you fight all of its elements, and you may be right. However, there is a value to the lives of the innocent, and I personally do have a hard time bringing myself to accept the killing of women and children. I'd rather see Bosnia re-converted back to Orthodoxism, (Turks converted good Serbian peasants in the 14th and 15th Century in Bosnia to Sunni Islam) and Bosnia-Herzagovina split into three, the Croat part to join Croatia, the Serbian part to join Serbia, and the Bosnian-Muslim part to be its own wack-job country. Self-Determination.
This is neither the time nor the place for Gotovina, and pointing a finger at him does nothing to exculpate Serbia for it's actions in Bosnia nor change Serbia's present straits brought on by it's refusal to deal with those actions.
Beside being a racist Serb hater, you have no clue of American history.
-The fist country in the Balkans U.S. established diplomatic ties with was - Serbia. It was in 1883. Soon afterwards, Serbian investment came to America and American in Serbia.
-Habeas Corpus Act, the cornerstone of Anglo-Saxon law was established in 1679. Serbia's Tzar Dushan Codex had similar provision in - 1349, 330 years earlier
Stupidity can be remedied by reading. That's what libraries are for.
"Now I know how my father must have felt after serving 2 tours in Vietnam. Our intervention was questionable, but we should at least fight alongside those that had the balls to identify the Islam menace for what it was and take a stand against it. Maybe that would have prevented 300+ deaths on 9-11, but I still doubt that."
Here, here, Tribalnation. I agree with you 100%. And Greece, the only Nato/United Nations country who had the balls to take that stand was scolded by the Clintonistas. BTW the below article is taken from a Greek liberal dumas..I mean "journalist".
"The pro-Serbian stance taken by Athens shocked many who assumed that all members of NATO would follow the lead of the United States and the United Nations. Instead, Greece supported Serbia from the outbreak of war in the former Yugoslavia in 1991 through the NATO bombing and
occupation of Kosovo eight years later. Michas combines journalistic accounts with anecdotes and personal interviews to show a pattern of Greek support for Miloeviæ and Radovan Karadziæ that implicates Greek politicians from all parties, as well as the Greek Orthodox Church, the
Greek media, and ultimately the Greek people themselves."
So can anyone guess what town has a sign on the road leading into its village which reads.
'Be afraid of Allah.'
Also how was it that Bin Laden was issued a Bosnia-Herzegovina passport in 1993? Or how a number of suspected terrorists traveling the globe utilizing legally issued Bosnia-Herzegovina documents? Or why Bin Ladens name constantly crops up in regards to aid given to the Bosnian Muslims and Albanians in Kosovo, both financially (weapons procurement) and in training? Or why would the Bosnian Government let Mehrez Aodouni, another terrorist with close ties to Bin Laden, join the Bosnian Army which BTW helped him OPTAINE Bosnian citizenship and a passport.
And we CAN'T forget the premature detonation of an automobile bomb in Zenica that is widely speculated it was a "Thank You" gift from our friends the Muslims, oh wait I can't call them that now can I (sarcasm), the "Mujahadeen" to US NATO troops serving in Bosnia-Herzegovina as revenge for the life sentence given to Sheik Omah Abdel Rahman, the brain behind the World Trade Centre bombing in New York.
Oh yeah, and we CAN'T forget that little raid conducted by NATO forces on the training center of the Bosnian Muslim secret police (AID)...remember that little doozie? If memory serves me right there several arrests made of persons for preparing to conduct terrorist actions. Iranian instructors were teaching future terrorists from AID how to disguise bombs as childrens toys, dolls, and plastic ice cream cones.
Hey, how 'bout that terrorist who confessed to serving in Alija Izetbegovics Bosnian Muslim forces. You know the one who blew up the Al Khobar.
And lets not forget the assassination plot of Pope John Paul II which was going to be carried out in 1997 by a terrorist group which consisted of former mujahadeen from Bosnia-Herzegovina. Italian authorities discovered the assassination attempt in time and managed to arrest 14 members of the terrorist cell.
Sources - New York Times, Dani, Oslobodjenje.
"Last year, sources in Jordan say, the Mukhabarat, the intelligence service, alerted the C.I.A. to at least three plots by Bosnia-based Islamic terrorists to attack U.S. targets in Europe."
The NY Times/February 6, 2000
I forgot, who's side did the US take in the Balkan conflict again? How come we don't see any Serbs carrying terrorist attacks against us? Like THAT question needs to be answered. ;)
apro, your source is incorrect. NATO requires unanimity to act. As a NATO member, Greece had to agree to the various NATO actions in Bosnia and Kosovo or they couldn't have happened. In fact, right now, the Greeks have an infantry unit serving as part of NATO forces in Kosovo--they are organized as part of the American brigade headquartered at Camp Bondsteel.
... assumed that all members of NATO would follow the lead of the United States and the United Nations."
That is also incorrect. The United Nations did not "lead", endorse, or agree to the NATO bombing of Kosovo--a fact which is useful to throw in the face of liberals when they bring up lack of UN endorsement for our Iraq operation.
Then your opinion really doesn't matter, does it.
Yeah, I can guess, its called hypocrisy. But then again dj_animal has put it very nicely as well:
And zagor-te-nej posted some very interesting links. BTW, I see you never did reply to this report posted by dj_animal:
"The Bosnian Islamic web site www.Islambosna.ba regularly posts news related to the Islamic world. Each piece of news on Muslim losses, or those about the US, Israeli or other forces seen to be in conflict with the Muslim population is followed by the text: "Fight them. Allah will punish and humiliate them by your hands and will help you against them and heal the chest of the believer".
"According to several reports, you met with Osama bin Laden or his chief deputy Ayman al-Zawahiri during the war. Is that true?"
"During and after the war I met with thousands of people coming from the Islamic world but I can remember the faces and names of only a few. Neither of the two you mentioned are among them. And if, by some chance, I have met them, then they could not have talked with me about terrorism."
-Izetbegovic Time Interview 2001
In other words he might have met with them but doesn't remebmer...hmmm riigghhtt. Isn't interesting how he didn't come right out and say "NO I didn't" but beat around the bush about it. You either DID meet with them or you DIDN'T, plain and simple.
A connection between the Bosnians/Albanian Kosovo and the guy who attacked and killed 3000 US citizens might mean nothing to you but many DON'T see it that way, especially when this country took their freaken side.
"The Bosnian authorities have denied knowledge of any terrorist activities, but there have been reports that the mujahadeen were organizing training camps for terrorists in several locations in Bosnia."
So YOU might think my opinion "really doesn't matter", for whatever alternate views you hold, but that's not the point here, now is it? ;p
Whatever. Been here, done this. It's boring.
"Athens: Police clashed with protesters who threw rocks and eggs at the U.S. and British embassies and lit fires and smashed store windows and cars. Some light injuries were reported. Greece, leading the dissident wing of NATO, has been calling for an immediate halt to the bombing and a return to the negotiating table. In addition, it has refused to offer its military forces to join the assault. It was the largest demonstration of its kind in at least the last 20 years."
"Greece refused to participate in NATO bombings against Yugoslavia, Stephanopoulos says:"
"Greece refused to participate in the NATO bombings against Yugoslavia, Greek President Kostis Stephanopoulos said on Tuesday night, addressing his Yugoslavian counterpart Vojislav Kostunica. During a dinner hosted by Stephanopoulos for Kostunica, the former said that "the mistakes of the (Yugoslav) government of that time should have not been relegated on the Serbian people, nor should military means been used against them, it should have been thought that there were other ways to enforce the democratic and humanistic ideas". Stephanopoulos made special mention of the friendship between the peoples of Greece and Serbia, which was forged during the 20th century, adding that Greece and Serbia always found themselves "on the same side of the struggle for freedom and independence".
"Asked about the accuracy of the report that the majority of the Greek people support the Serb cause, Mr. Kranidiotis answered that he would describe the situation somewhat differently. Most Greeks, he continued, oppose the bombings, the aur-raids and the war due to a sense of insecurity caused, largely, by the proximity of the conflict to their frontiers; there is a looming fear that the crisis might spread and lead to a Greek involvement, either direct or indirect. When Mr. Paxman observed that Greece provides assistance to the Serbs, Mr. Kranidiotis replied that Greece also gives aid to Albania, FYROM and Kosovo. Greece, he added, has the only existing network of non-governmental organisations that provide humanitarian assistance to Kosovo, something that requires prior consultations with Yugoslav authorities. The agreement we have with the Government of Yugoslavia, he said, stipulates that aid will be equally distributed among Albanians and Serbs. There are also Serbs in the hospitals, he remarked. Asked about Greeces intentions as to allowing the passage of NATO land forces through its territory, if such decision were to be made by the Alliance, Mr. Kranidiotis replied that the matter would be dealt with, if and when it arose. For the time being, he said, such an eventuality remains non-existent. Finally, queried about recent anti-war demonstrations in Greece, as well as about the incident with British military vehicles at the Thessaloniki wholesale fruit-market, the Alternate Foreign Minister acknowledged the existence of popular reaction, he asserted, however, that the Greek Government is in full control of the situation."
That last statement regarding the British military vehicles and the fruit-market incident could have been part of a Three Stooges skit show. This incident took place in Thessaloniki. What happened was in several occasions people blocked NATO convoys from transporting military equipment that were to be used in the war with their cars and some supporters thought it would be "interesting" if they messed with the road signs of the English army and as a result, many confused English soldiers found themselves driving in the central fruit market of Thessaloniki instead of their destinations.
Another incident had British troops blocked inside the port of Thessaloniki for days. People outside the port created a human wall so the British troops took these unexpected events all in good stride and could be seen sunbathing and relaxing inside the port.
The only "bi-partisan hypocrisy" around here is by you defending a bunch of terrorists. How A-typical. And you have still to answer dj_animals post regarding that Bosnian site.
Of note, despite all the noise about terrorists in Kosovo and Bosnia, the only Americans killed by terrorists in the Balkans were killed by the Greek "17 November" terrorist group.
mark502inf, I guess American service women do not count in your book as being Americans killed by terrorists in the Balkans, huh? Oh yeah and if I remember correctly an American service man died also. At least I think it was the Balkans...oh yes it was, last time I checked Kosovo STILL was in the Balkans. ;p
As for November 17, who's group has been dismembers for years now and recently arrested, claimed a total of 20 lives, which is 20 too many, since they first appeared in 1975:
4 American officials
2 Turkish Diplomats
Also last I check Nov. 17 wasn't sending insurgents to Iraq to fight against the US troops that help save their asses from the Serbs:
"The editor, Kemal Bakovic, met me over a fruit juice in a grim neighborhood of Soviet-style housing blocks, still pockmarked by shrapnel. An Arabic-speaker, he had studied in Zarqa, in Jordanthe hometown, he was pleased to remind me, of the man described by the United States as al-Qaida's chieftain in Iraq, Abu Musab al-Zarqawi.
"We are all sick of wars here in Bosnia," Bakovic scoffed when I asked him about the Iraq troop deployment. "These guys, if they get killed in Iraq, they'll be killed for a foreign idea, not for their own country. Nobody will take care of their kids."
Some other Bosnian Muslims, he added, had already joined the waron the insurgent side.
Bakovic told me he had run into a young Bosnian man who had just returned to Sarajevo from Fallujah, where he participated in attacks on U.S. soldiers."
Oh and you forgot to mention the other TWENTY Americans killed on Greek soil by Muslim terrorists.
apro, you do not "remember correctly". Despite your eagerness for such an event to happen, no U.S. military personnel have been killed in Bosnia or Kosovo due to hostile action. Period. Hasn't happened despite the presence of tens of thousands of Americans for years and years.
In contrast, in places such as East Africa & Afghanistan, the Phillipinnes and the Arabian Shield area--where where there really are Islamist terrorists--our soldiers are in combat every day.
However, you are right about one thing, just as you posted, the Greek November 17th terrorists have in fact attacked and killed Americans in Greece.
A White American can be racist when he denigrates fellow White American - pay attention how The South is badmouthed in movies and tv shows, 140 after the Civil War ended. (villains usually have Southern accent).
mark, are you sure about that??? I"m sure the 14 y/o Albanian kid that shot and killed an American soldier with his AK is not regarded as a hero among his KLA friends?
"apro, you do not "remember correctly". Despite your eagerness for such an event to happen, no U.S. military personnel have been killed in Bosnia or Kosovo due to hostile action. Period. Hasn't happened despite the presence of tens of thousands of Americans for years and years."
Oh but mark502inf, I don't remember telling you they were "U.S. military personnel", now did I? They were American service women & man, part of the United Nations police service in Kosovo. So no, it isn't my eagerness for such an event to have happened, its an unfortunate fact that it DID happen. Unless, like I said, you do not consider the blood of these three Americans as being "killed by terrorists in the Balkans".
"PRISTINA, Serbia-Montenegro - Authorities are investigating whether a Jordanian U.N. policeman who killed three American corrections officers in a gunbattle at a Kosovo prison had links to the Palestinian militant group Hamas, a senior NATO official said."
"Officials investigating the bizarre incident said yesterday that Ali had links to the Palestinian militant group Hamas, but they stopped short of calling the ambush an act of terrorism."
"Ali, a member of the Jordanian special police unit, smiled as he blazed away with an M-16 rifle. He was shot to death during an ensuing gun battle."
Oh, I'm sorry is this considered a "friendly" fire incedent? ;p
"the Greek November 17th terrorists have in fact attacked and killed Americans in Greece."
At least November 17th terrorists are no more. Unfortunately the same can not be said about Bosnians & Kosovo Muslims attacking and killing Americans and other Westerners in Iraq as we speak. ;p
As this report below points out the reason we haven't seen as many bloody attacks on us by them YET in those Banana Republics is because of the "eyes and ears" we have on ground over there. Unfortunately it isn't a question of IF American blood will be spilled by them again over there but WHEN.
"SARAJEVO, Bosnia -- The raid netted explosives, rifles, other arms and a videotape pledging vengeance for the "brothers" killed fighting Americans in Afghanistan and Iraq. Police found the cache in an apartment occupied by an underground group that was aiming to blow up the British Embassy in Sarajevo, Western intelligence officials said."
"After the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks in the United States, the CIA and other foreign agencies set up a joint, fortified headquarters to keep tabs on terrorism suspects in Bosnia, a Western intelligence source in Sarajevo said."
The ironic thing about the news report above that was JUST released confirms what Bosnian-born columnist Nebojsa Malic has been saying all along. Western apologists for Bosnia continue to deny any terrorist links - at their own peril. As it is pointed out by Nebojsa Malic the confirmed existence of several Islamic terrorist organizations in Bosnia, as well as suspicious Saudi influenced and the Islamic propaganda of Bosnias former president, Ali Izetbegovic.
DAMN, those Serbs are SO good at spreading propaganda against those Bosnian Muslims. They planted evidence for Italian and Croation police to find against five Bosnian Muslims regarding a bomb plot during the Pope's funeral; they had Abdelmajid Bouchar, a key suspect in the March 2004 bombings of Madrid, seek refugee in Bosnia or Kosovo after the fact; Oh and look they even had Bosnian citizens themselves arrested in terror plots:
"The Sarajevo arrests changed that perception. A Bosnian Interior Ministry official, Robert Cvrtak, released the names of four detainees from the raid: Cesur Abdulkadir, who is of Turkish heritage; Mirsad Bektasevic, a Swedish citizen of Bosnian origin; and Bajro Ikanovic and Almir Bajric, both Bosnian citizens. Among their activities, Bosnian police said, were hiding explosives inside lemons and tennis balls and trying to set up training camps in the hills near Sarajevo. Police officials here say Bektasevic, 19, also ran a Web site on behalf of Abu Musab Zarqawi, the Jordanian who heads the insurgent group al Qaeda in Iraq. He had pictures of the White House in his computer, they added."
YIKES! A Bosnian Zarqawi fan...barfff. Maybe someone should tell him Clintoon support his people during the war. ;p