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Bush aides anger GOP lawmakers on consular IDs (Mexican IDs)
washtimes ^ | nov 28 | Audrey Hudson

Posted on 11/28/2005 6:01:59 PM PST by dennisw

Bush administration officials yesterday angered lawmakers by refusing to take a position on illegal aliens obtaining U.S. driver's licenses and avoiding questions about its decision to recognize Mexican identification cards.

Officials testifying before the House Select Committee on Homeland Security said they are reviewing what documentation is secure and reliable, but evaded direct questions on the matricula consular cards now accepted by California and New Mexico to obtain driver's licenses.

Critics say the cards issued by the Mexican Embassy are easily falsified and used by illegal aliens to establish residency. Stewart Verdery, Homeland Security assistant secretary, was asked directly whether states should issue identification cards to people who are in the United States illegally.

"I am not aware that the department or administration has taken a position on that," Mr. Verdery said. A frustrated Rep. John Shadegg, Arizona Republican, responded: "It seems to me the administration had better get a policy, pretty quick."

Republican lawmakers also questioned officials about a recent Treasury Department decision allowing the matricula cards to be accepted as legal identification by financial institutions.

Officials, including Mr. Verdery, testified on Capitol Hill earlier this year that the FBI and Homeland Security Department believed the cards are not secure and pose a threat to homeland security.

The administration's decision to accept the cards was announced just as lawmakers were leaving town in advance of Hurricane Isabel and caused an "uproar in Congress," said Rep. Christopher Shays, Connecticut Republican.

(Excerpt) Read more at washtimes.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aliens; firechertoff; immigrantlist; impeach; matricula; matriculaconsular
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1 posted on 11/28/2005 6:02:00 PM PST by dennisw
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To: 1_Inch_Group; 2sheep; 2Trievers; 3AngelaD; 4Freedom; 4ourprogeny; 7.62 x 51mm; A CA Guy; ...

ping


2 posted on 11/28/2005 6:02:35 PM PST by gubamyster
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To: dennisw

I'm waiting for Bush to propose letting Mexico join the United States.


3 posted on 11/28/2005 6:03:50 PM PST by Fitzcarraldo
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To: dennisw

If they do it, then every single American should pay the $29 to get the Matricula card. Then give a phony SSN number to work. When the money stops coming in, they will act.


5 posted on 11/28/2005 6:06:05 PM PST by ikka
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To: dennisw
There are only two possible explanations:

a) the Bush admin is brain dead and the RINO's are fully in charge;

b) in a 'Rovian' strategy designed to help in the off-year election, Bush is provoking the Congressional Republicans into doing something stronger about immigration than they are otherwise inclined to do.

I'm inclined to believe (a) is the truth; but after the Miers' nomination stampeded the African wildlife in the Senate into supporting Alito, I hope it's (b).

6 posted on 11/28/2005 6:06:09 PM PST by pierrem15
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To: dennisw

7 posted on 11/28/2005 6:06:27 PM PST by dennisw (You shouldn't let other people get your kicks for you - Bob Dylan)
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To: Fitzcarraldo
I'm waiting for Bush to propose letting Mexico join the United States.

Or possibly the announcement the US is joining Mexico...

8 posted on 11/28/2005 6:07:36 PM PST by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: dennisw

9 posted on 11/28/2005 6:08:16 PM PST by dennisw (You shouldn't let other people get your kicks for you - Bob Dylan)
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To: Reaganwuzthebest

Imagine America with a mixture of Mexican feudalism and Canadian socialism and you see the future.


10 posted on 11/28/2005 6:10:00 PM PST by cripplecreek (Never a minigun handy when you need one.)
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To: dennisw
After cleaning my laugh off my keyboard, I'll up your chimp with wildlife from the political Serengeti:
11 posted on 11/28/2005 6:11:44 PM PST by pierrem15
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To: ikka

"If they do it, then every single American should pay the $29 to get the Matricula card. Then give a phony SSN number to work. When the money stops coming in, they will act."

Great idea.

I'll say it again. Bush's incompetence, inaction, and arrogance on the border security issue will facilitate Hillary's election in 2008.


12 posted on 11/28/2005 6:13:04 PM PST by nj26
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To: dennisw

Is Fox blackmailing Bush?

For the life of me I can't figure out why Bush is so adamant about shoving illegal immigrants down our throats when a large segement of his conservative base is opposed.

The only thing I can think of is that Fox has something on Bush.


13 posted on 11/28/2005 6:14:49 PM PST by twas
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To: pierrem15

I'm afraid your "a" analysis is the correct one. If Bush doesn't start doing something concrete to secure the borders he ought to be impeached. He's supposed to be in charge of defending the country. He's either indifferent to the threat or he's afraid of Hispanic backlash if he tries to do anything. The majority in this country no longer can control the destiny of their own homeland. As a president Bush is a major disappointment. I'm beginning to think he's just incompetent.


14 posted on 11/28/2005 6:17:41 PM PST by WestSylvanian
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To: Czar; Borax Queen

this should be unbelievable....except, I believe it.

Pathetic.


15 posted on 11/28/2005 6:18:05 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: nj26

"ll say it again. Bush's incompetence, inaction, and arrogance on the border security issue will facilitate Hillary's election in 2008."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>........
no need to wait for 2008 in 2006 we will see many conservative voters stay home..Congress is willing to sell us all out for some crazy idea about the unification of Mexico and Canada with USA..I am in shock over what Bush said today still supporting the Amnesty program and no real action on the Borders ..Who Is this GUY??


16 posted on 11/28/2005 6:18:57 PM PST by ConsentofGoverned (if a sucker is born every minute, what are the voters?)
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To: dennisw
Something bad is eventually going to happen here, and my hunch is that the perpetrators will prove to have sauntered accross our unprotected border. Despite all the good things that Dubya has done, his stubborn refusal to defend our borders is going to singlehandedly destroy the future of the GOP.

You'll note that Hillary is making all the right noises on this issue. Regardless of her motives, she will be proven right by an angry electorate. The GOP had better wake up fast...

17 posted on 11/28/2005 6:19:30 PM PST by Always A Marine
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To: twas
The only thing I can think of is that Fox has something on Bush.

As soon as Bush makes a stand, the Democraps will take the opposite position and cry through the media about the unfairness of it all.

Frankly, I'd love to hear him say 'the law is the law and illegal is illegal'. The longer he keeps away from his position the more likely the Democraps will triangualte the position and tap the seething resentment against the current catch and release system.

18 posted on 11/28/2005 6:19:47 PM PST by pikachu (That which does not kill me just makes me grumpy!)
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To: nicmarlo; Borax Queen; Itzlzha
More of the same--I'm not surprised.

That speech today changes nothing. Pay no attention to what they say--watch what they do.

19 posted on 11/28/2005 6:24:16 PM PST by Czar (StillFedUptotheTeeth@Washington)
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To: dennisw; Stellar Dendrite; NRA2BFree; Happy2BMe; Spiff; Pelham; Das Outsider; moehoward; ...
*PING*!

Bush administration officials yesterday angered lawmakers by refusing to take a position on illegal aliens obtaining U.S. driver's licenses and avoiding questions about its decision to recognize Mexican identification cards.

Yup, just avoiding the issues and questions "Americans want answers to!"

Officials testifying before the House Select Committee on Homeland Security said they are reviewing what documentation is secure and reliable, but evaded direct questions on the matricula consular cards now accepted by California and New Mexico to obtain driver's licenses.

Ah yes, nothing like clear policies, direct action, and putting Americans first!

I am "-" THIS CLOSE to letting the damn LIEberals impeach this clown...if it wouldn't hurt our troops or our position in the world, I'd say do it...I swear!

No more Bushies...no more RINO/Country Clubber/Rockefellerites....PERIOD!

20 posted on 11/28/2005 6:24:48 PM PST by Itzlzha ("The avalanche has already started...it is too late for the pebbles to vote")
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To: pierrem15

Intersting picture but I would reverse the participants for political clarity.


21 posted on 11/28/2005 6:27:49 PM PST by afnamvet
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To: Fitzcarraldo

He plans to let Mexico take over the United States.


22 posted on 11/28/2005 6:28:35 PM PST by the gillman@blacklagoon.com
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To: ikka

Whaa... a dummy SSN means no tax withheld? Saywot?


23 posted on 11/28/2005 6:29:12 PM PST by drlevy88
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To: cripplecreek
Imagine America with a mixture of Mexican feudalism and Canadian socialism and you see the future.

I'm really beginning to think that's the plan. A few years ago people would have scoffed at those who talked about a North American union but not anymore.

24 posted on 11/28/2005 6:31:03 PM PST by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: Always A Marine

Something bad is already happening here. Just ask all the families impacted by the rapes, murders, and other crimes committed by illegal aliens. It is a national disgrace....and so are all the politicians. They care more for illegals than they do American citizens.


25 posted on 11/28/2005 6:31:44 PM PST by sheana
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To: Itzlzha

"impeach this clown"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.....
Great Danger for him on this issue, and he better understand that..The GOP is still not getting the message to HIM. Right now he is a big spending, big government, liberal with a war which he did not expect when first elected. I would not miss him if he resigned tomorrow.


26 posted on 11/28/2005 6:31:50 PM PST by ConsentofGoverned (if a sucker is born every minute, what are the voters?)
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To: Itzlzha
No more Bushies...no more RINO/Country Clubber/Rockefellerites....PERIOD!

YEAH!!

27 posted on 11/28/2005 6:35:28 PM PST by Borax Queen
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To: dennisw

28 posted on 11/28/2005 6:46:15 PM PST by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: drlevy88
Whaa... a dummy SSN means no tax withheld? Saywot?

That is the thing no one will talk about. I hear the illegals whining about paying taxes. They say that their employers are paying into social security, but since their SSN is no good, they don't ever get to see any of the money.

That leaves us with a big question. What is the IRS doing with all the money the illegals paid in? They know someone is using a fake number, but they take the money anyway, grinning all the way to the bank.

I wonder if there is $8 billion just sitting there, enough to pay for the fence from California to Texas.

29 posted on 11/28/2005 6:48:48 PM PST by Trteamer ( (Eat Meat, Wear Fur, Own Guns, FReep Leftists, Drive an SUV, Drill A.N.W.R., Drill the Gulf, Vote)
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To: pierrem15
"There are only two three possible explanations:
a) the Bush admin is brain dead and the RINO's are fully in charge;
b) in a 'Rovian' strategy designed to help in the off-year election, Bush is provoking the Congressional Republicans into doing something stronger about immigration than they are otherwise inclined to do.
c) Bush became Governor of Texas on illegal (mexican), legal (mexican), and even American votes from the Rio Grande Valley, and he can't won't back off of the obligations picked up along the way.
30 posted on 11/28/2005 6:52:07 PM PST by norton
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To: the gillman@blacklagoon.com
We just heard the speech. Very depressing. No one listens.
31 posted on 11/28/2005 6:55:01 PM PST by Jigsaw John
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To: Trteamer
They know someone is using a fake number, but they take the money anyway, grinning all the way to the bank.

Well that, or some dead person gets mailed a whopping tax refund.

32 posted on 11/28/2005 6:58:49 PM PST by drlevy88
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To: Trteamer
I wonder if there is $8 billion just sitting there, enough to pay for the fence from California to Texas.

Using bogus Social Security numbers, the illegals pay about $6 billion into the Social Security Trust Fund annually which would pay for a huge chunk of the fence.

Unfortunately, even though the illegals are not eligible for the full buffet of welfare benefits, they manage to cost the Federal Government about $10 billion per year in numerous other ways (and the states about 10 times that much). So they are a huge net drain on the treasury. Here is a good study: The High Cost of Cheap Labor

The savings resulting from building the fence and keeping another 11 million illegals from coming would make it an excellent investment.

33 posted on 11/28/2005 7:06:24 PM PST by jackbenimble (Import the third world, become the third world)
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To: Fitzcarraldo
I'm waiting for Bush to propose letting Mexico join the United States.

By his inaction, in essence, it seems he already has.

34 posted on 11/28/2005 7:08:50 PM PST by kstewskis ("Thank you ladies and gentlemen, you've been a wonderful audience" ...Rocky Rhodes)
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To: All

Unless I'm mistaken, this article is from Oct 2, 2003.

So it didn't exactly happen yesterday.


35 posted on 11/28/2005 7:09:00 PM PST by skip_intro
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To: afnamvet

I was hoping it would be a morale booster :-).


36 posted on 11/28/2005 7:12:40 PM PST by pierrem15
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To: drlevy88

You can claim enough dependants on the w-4 so no tax is withheld.

To add insult to injury, you could claim that you will have a minus tax due to Earned Income Credit and or deductions and receive extra pay.


37 posted on 11/28/2005 7:37:29 PM PST by rock58seg (My votes for Pres. Bush, the best man available, have finally borne fruit with Alito's nomination.)
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To: skip_intro
"This article is from 2003"

Did you notice the article mentioning hurricane Isabel?

38 posted on 11/28/2005 7:47:15 PM PST by Ben Ficklin
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To: dennisw

I'm curious as to why you would show that the article date was November 28, but leave out the year?


39 posted on 11/28/2005 7:50:05 PM PST by Ben Ficklin
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To: Ben Ficklin
Did you notice the article mentioning hurricane Isabel?

Yes I did, but the real giveaway was when I clicked on the link and the page date showed Oct 2, 2003.

40 posted on 11/28/2005 7:55:46 PM PST by skip_intro
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To: Ben Ficklin

The date of this article should have been mentioned, but this in no way changes the relevance of this issue!


41 posted on 11/28/2005 7:58:39 PM PST by Hardshell (NO.....a true roux)
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To: dennisw
sickening, I am fed up with Bushite for his lack of enforcing security.

His speech today had me ready to shout at him, he is a fraud on national security when it comes to illegal immigration and closing the border to the criminals who are invading America.
42 posted on 11/28/2005 8:03:12 PM PST by Ursus arctos horribilis ("It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees!" Emiliano Zapata 1879-1919)
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To: drlevy88
Well that, or some dead person gets mailed a whopping tax refund.

Would you happen to know the withholding law for someone working as a subcontractor contractor.

43 posted on 11/28/2005 8:03:14 PM PST by org.whodat
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To: dennisw

Badge, I dona need no steeken badge.


44 posted on 11/28/2005 8:04:51 PM PST by Ursus arctos horribilis ("It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees!" Emiliano Zapata 1879-1919)
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To: skip_intro

I didn't notice the date when I clicked thru. It was only after seeing Isabel that I looked.


45 posted on 11/28/2005 8:09:14 PM PST by Ben Ficklin
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To: WestSylvanian
I confess, I too have begun to utter the impeach word. He is a sad, sad, joke when it comes to protecting America's security interests at home.

At one time I was adamantly a one issue voter on the second amendment, but this illegal immigration thing is pushing me over the edge to another one.
46 posted on 11/28/2005 8:09:50 PM PST by Ursus arctos horribilis ("It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees!" Emiliano Zapata 1879-1919)
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To: Czar

I have been watching what they did not do for five straight years, Bushite America is all he has done.


47 posted on 11/28/2005 8:12:41 PM PST by Ursus arctos horribilis ("It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees!" Emiliano Zapata 1879-1919)
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To: Hardshell

The matricula is an issue only because Congress didn't address the the issue of immigration reform in 99, 00, 01, 02, 03, 04, and 05. Is it possible that they will not address the issue in 06, and 07?


48 posted on 11/28/2005 8:13:41 PM PST by Ben Ficklin
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To: skip_intro

And more of the same from Bushite today is breaking news? The more he talks about doing nothing, the more he stays the same.


49 posted on 11/28/2005 8:16:24 PM PST by Ursus arctos horribilis ("It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees!" Emiliano Zapata 1879-1919)
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To: the gillman@blacklagoon.com
He plans to let Mexico take over the United States.

That appears to be so. It may be America does need legal immigration but why choose one country to completely conquer us? There are millions in the world who are desperate to come here, how about a sane and legal immigration from a WIDE VARIETY of countries? Once we build a fence and develop some kind of trust in our government again, perhaps we can start to do this.

Right now, I don't trust our President anymore.

And I don't think I'll truly forgive him until he apologizes to American patriots for helping keep our country safe from foreign invaders. I think that's when he lost me and millions of other Americans. To call our own patriots "vigilantes" and continue to deliberately turn a blind eye and allow others come here illegally. Is that about the time his ratings tanked?

50 posted on 11/28/2005 8:22:24 PM PST by ozarkgirl
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