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Biden Admits to Seeing Same Pre War Intel That Administration Did.
MSNBC Meet the Press ^ | November 27, 2005 | Tim Russert, Sen. Joseph Biden

Posted on 11/28/2005 6:51:26 PM PST by ArmyBratproud

On this past Sunday morning's interview with Tim Russert on Meet The Press, Democrat Senator Joe Biden stumbled and bumbled an admission towards the end of the interview.

When Russert forced the question about Senators seeing the section of the National Intel Estimate that listed a caviat from the State Department questioning some of the intel, Biden got trapped. As hard as he tried to avoid it, he ended up giving an answer that shows that he and other Dems saw the same pre war intel as Bush.

And he admitted that it was before the vote on the war. Thus showing he and the other Dems are not sincere in their calls and are playing politics with the war.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: 109th; biden; bushlied; iraqwarfacts; prewarintelligence
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1 posted on 11/28/2005 6:51:27 PM PST by ArmyBratproud
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To: ArmyBratproud

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10154103/

""MR. RUSSERT: But, Senator, when you read the National Intelligence Estimate, at least the summary of it, it had a caveat in there from the State Department and the Department of Energy saying they did not believe the...

SEN. BIDEN: After the fact, Tim. Look, look...

MR. RUSSERT: This was made available to senators before the vote. Only six read it.

SEN. BIDEN: No, no, no, no, no, no. That's true, that was before the vote.

MR. RUSSERT: But you saw...

SEN. BIDEN: That was before the vote.

MR. RUSSERT: You saw that information and you still voted for the war.
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2 posted on 11/28/2005 6:51:45 PM PST by ArmyBratproud
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To: ArmyBratproud

And this is the issue on which the entire 2006 Democrat party campaign hinges. Looks like, despite the Republicans' best efforts to lose the 2006 elections, the House and Senate may just stay the way it is.


3 posted on 11/28/2005 6:53:29 PM PST by Uncle Vlad
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To: Howlin; Txsleuth; onyx; Son_of_hillaryisevil; nopardons; Petronski; beyond the sea; txgirl4Bush; ...

Heads up Ping! Biden admits to seeing same pre war intel as Bush!!!!!!


4 posted on 11/28/2005 6:54:26 PM PST by ArmyBratproud
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To: ArmyBratproud

"Tim, who you going to believe? Me or my lying lips??"

Pray for W and Our Troops


5 posted on 11/28/2005 6:55:04 PM PST by bray (Merry Christ-x)
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To: ArmyBratproud

The Rats are just that.... farkin rats!


6 posted on 11/28/2005 6:56:01 PM PST by clee1 (We use 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 2 to pull a trigger. I'm lazy and I'm tired of smiling.)
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To: Uncle Vlad

The MSM doesn't care if the Democrats actually lie..they want them to......

The MSM wants the public believe the Republicans did lie..even when they didn't....

this next election will be Americans vs the Democrats...I hope we win..it scares me to think what wil happen if we don't


7 posted on 11/28/2005 6:56:27 PM PST by Youngman442002
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To: ArmyBratproud

What are the president and his team going to do about this? Just let it be passed over?


8 posted on 11/28/2005 6:56:43 PM PST by doug from upland (The troops will come home when the mission is complete)
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To: ArmyBratproud
Biden is a Image hosted by Photobucket.com
9 posted on 11/28/2005 6:56:49 PM PST by satchmodog9 ( Seventy million spent on the lefts Christmas present and all they got was a Scooter)
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To: doug from upland

You got it Doug.


10 posted on 11/28/2005 6:57:36 PM PST by satchmodog9 ( Seventy million spent on the lefts Christmas present and all they got was a Scooter)
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To: ArmyBratproud

Forwarding this to about 15 people now. Am pretty sure it will reach 100 within one forwarding.


11 posted on 11/28/2005 6:59:16 PM PST by TeenagedConservative
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To: ArmyBratproud

Correctamundo!


12 posted on 11/28/2005 6:59:22 PM PST by DoughtyOne (MSM: Public support for war waining. 403/3 House vote against pullout vaporizes another lie.)
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To: doug from upland

Yes


13 posted on 11/28/2005 6:59:50 PM PST by ErnBatavia (403-3)
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To: ArmyBratproud

Biden lied...
...so that he could send men (and women) to die?


14 posted on 11/28/2005 6:59:59 PM PST by VOA
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To: ArmyBratproud

Biden, the left's worst nightmare...


15 posted on 11/28/2005 6:59:59 PM PST by DoughtyOne (MSM: Public support for war waining. 403/3 House vote against pullout vaporizes another lie.)
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To: doug from upland

Why, that's a splendid idea, Doug!


16 posted on 11/28/2005 7:00:32 PM PST by DTogo (Merry CHRISTmas, and a healthy & happy New Year!)
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To: ArmyBratproud

Bump for doll hair....


17 posted on 11/28/2005 7:01:41 PM PST by isthisnickcool (Eternity? Smoking or nonsmoking?)
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To: ArmyBratproud

Just in the past few days we've seen three excellent examples of how liberals can look into the camera and lie their uglyasses off. I'm talking whoppers.

Biden on Meet The Press

Senator Levin on Sunday FOX News

Andrea Mitchell on Imus

Bold, brazen liars who will deny the truth even with millions of people watching. They simply have no shame.

Bill Clinton did it, setting the standard for what has followed


18 posted on 11/28/2005 7:02:39 PM PST by YaYa123
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To: satchmodog9


That's EXACTLY what Hairplugs is.

And I hope his VAWA die a slow death, and puts tens of thousands of radical feminists out of work.

(Or maybe not. At least we know where they are.)


19 posted on 11/28/2005 7:04:13 PM PST by Fido969 ("And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free" (John 8:32).)
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To: ArmyBratproud

True, but it doesn't really help that much in the end, does it? I mean, it shows the dems for what they are, and it maybe even gets GW off the hook for the whole WMD/intel fiasco, but it still appears to be an argument about who was wrong, not who was right. In other words, voting for the war was wrong. That's the premise. And now it's just a matter of pinning the dems to it WITH the GOP. But it sure doesn't make the case for WMD look any better.


20 posted on 11/28/2005 7:05:27 PM PST by Huck (Yeah.)
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To: ArmyBratproud
Minority Leader Harry Reid (D.-Nev.), who is leading a spurious Democratic campaign that alleges President Bush misled the country into war, admitted last week that he did not read the National Intelligence Estimate on Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction programs that Director of Central Intelligence George Tenet prepared in 2002 at the request of Senate Democrats specifically so Congress would have up-to-date intelligence as it debated whether to authorize the Iraq war.

link

21 posted on 11/28/2005 7:06:52 PM PST by perfect stranger
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To: Uncle Vlad; ArmyBratproud

Actually, I heard on a few talk shows today, that the dems, probably for the reason that this thread points to....have given up their "Bush lied" and "pre-war intelligence was cherry-picked"....

NOW...their line will be that we a losing the war...so we should leave...

If you listen to all of the pundits, MSM, dems on TV and radio in the next few days, weeks...everyone will find some way to make sure his/her message is that we are losing the war in Iraq....

I have a feeling that between Biden's admission, and the smackdown Chris Wallace placed on Carl Levin yesterday...there are forced to chose a different path to lose the war...


22 posted on 11/28/2005 7:07:51 PM PST by Txsleuth (9/11NEVER FORGET-NEVER SURRENDER, Sam Johnson, a REAL hero!)
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To: ArmyBratproud

This ought ot be front page news, but alas, the MSM never will.


23 posted on 11/28/2005 7:08:28 PM PST by Danae (Anál nathrach, orth' bháis's bethad, do chél dénmha)
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To: YaYa123; Chieftain

Ok, can we some up with a new slogan for all those jerks who yapped their liberal mantra..."Bush Lied!"

How about...."Bush smiled"..?

or ....?


24 posted on 11/28/2005 7:08:30 PM PST by Recovering Ex-hippie (Cowards cut and run...Marines never do!)
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To: isthisnickcool

Doll hair???????


25 posted on 11/28/2005 7:08:49 PM PST by Danae (Anál nathrach, orth' bháis's bethad, do chél dénmha)
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To: ArmyBratproud

In all fairness, the National Intel Estimate is not the same as pre-war intelligence. To say they saw the former before the vote is not to say they saw an identical version of the latter, which Congress never does.


26 posted on 11/28/2005 7:09:04 PM PST by BackInBlack ("The act of defending any of the cardinal virtues has today all the exhilaration of a vice.")
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To: satchmodog9

Did you mean a Massengil????

Vinegar or Natural?


ROFL!!!!!


27 posted on 11/28/2005 7:09:35 PM PST by Danae (Anál nathrach, orth' bháis's bethad, do chél dénmha)
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To: ArmyBratproud

even better by Biden admission :

"The reason we gave the president the authority was to unite the world in keeping Saddam in a box, not freeing him up from the sanctions, which was the alternative, as you remember at the time. We have selective memories. That was the alternative. It wasn't the status quo, anti, or war, it was whether or not we were going to keep him in a box."



28 posted on 11/28/2005 7:09:42 PM PST by minus_273
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To: YaYa123

You tounched on an important issue. When the left decided to back Clinton rather than demand he resign, it set the tone for what would follow.

You can't back the likes of Clinton, without selling out your soul. You have to lie not just once, by constantly covering bigger and bigger untruths with still more lies.

It's like your children. They can't tell just one lie. When you know they're lying, they'll just come up with even bigger ones. You can't just stick to the little ones or you'll be found out.

Poor Dems. When they hitched their future to Bill Clinton, they gave up their future.


29 posted on 11/28/2005 7:09:56 PM PST by DoughtyOne (MSM: Public support for war waining. 403/3 House vote against pullout vaporizes another lie.)
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To: ArmyBratproud
It's amazing that the MSM even gives this moron the time of day. Joseph Biden is quite possibly the dumbest member of the Senate and the fact that he sees himself as quite the brainy whiz only makes his appearances on shows like Meet the Press laughable. The man's a moron and I suspect he'll be taking a break from the talking head shows until this latest episode passes.

At least one can hope...

30 posted on 11/28/2005 7:10:16 PM PST by blake6900 (YOUR AD HERE)
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To: YaYa123

Can you provide links to all? I'm lost...still playing ketchup from the weekend. Thanks.


31 posted on 11/28/2005 7:11:51 PM PST by freema (Proud Marine Mom)
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To: YaYa123
If it's not too much trouble, could you please provide the details of the Mitchell incident for me.

I missed that one.

32 posted on 11/28/2005 7:11:57 PM PST by hole_n_one
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To: doug from upland

That, Sir, is the question of the year!!!!

Hope to hear you on Levin again, real soon. Go on there and wish me a Merry Christmas!


33 posted on 11/28/2005 7:12:22 PM PST by ArmyBratproud
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To: Uncle Vlad
" And this is the issue on which the entire 2006 Democrat party campaign hinges. Looks like, despite the Republicans' best efforts to lose the 2006 elections, the House and Senate may just stay the way it is."

The Harris poll shows the "low job approval rating" of the President is even more dramatic for the Congress, and the Dems are in especially hot water. Only 25% approval rating for congressional Dems, their worst in history (bear in mind that Bush's 34% in the Harris poll is by no means the worst for a recent President).

I'm becoming more and more confident the GOP will make small gains in 2006. The Dems are too hateful to win. Americans don't like unhappy chronic complainers, and it will show at the ballot box.

34 posted on 11/28/2005 7:12:57 PM PST by cookcounty (Army Vet, Army Dad.)
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To: Txsleuth

That will just show them to be losers....who lack the balls to lead us in dangerous times.


35 posted on 11/28/2005 7:14:39 PM PST by ArmyBratproud
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To: Youngman442002
The MSM doesn't care if the Democrats actually lie..they want them to...... The MSM wants the public believe the Republicans did lie..even when they didn't.... this next election will be Americans vs the Democrats...

This next election will be the liberal MSM vs the intelligence and education of the American Sheeple.

Call me cynical but I believe that the MSM has a very good chance of winning.


Baaaah! We are losing the Iraq War and we must cut and run. Baaaah! The Katrina fiasco was Bush's fault. Baaaah!

36 posted on 11/28/2005 7:15:07 PM PST by Polybius
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To: hole_n_one

2003. On a now defunct MSNBC show...as well as doing the same in a Russert interview....

Stated that it was well known among the press and dc types that Plame worked as an analyst for the CIA.

MEANING RUSSERT LIED TO FITZ WHEN HE SAID HE DID NOT KNOW ABOUT HER.

Fat boy is Andrea slutwench's boss! Editor! Station Chief!

How would he not know?????


37 posted on 11/28/2005 7:17:07 PM PST by ArmyBratproud
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To: Victoria Delsoul

Ping.


38 posted on 11/28/2005 7:19:19 PM PST by Alberta's Child (What it all boils down to is that no one's really got it figured out just yet.)
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To: ArmyBratproud

great pick-up! the GOP should be sent this ASAP


39 posted on 11/28/2005 7:19:53 PM PST by God luvs America (When the silent majority speaks the earth trembles!)
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To: freema
The Biden incident is detailed and linked on this thread.

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Levin on FNS......

WALLACE: Senator Levin, I want to change subjects with you. You have joined a chorus of Democrats who have accused this president and this administration of basically misleading, some say even lying, the country into this war.

And I want to ask you about one specific case, if I can. You've charged repeatedly that the president said before the war that you couldn't distinguish between and . Aren't you distorting what the president actually said?

LEVIN: No, that's exactly what his words were.

WALLACE: That you couldn't distinguish.

LEVIN: That's exactly right.

WALLACE: Well, let's take a look at what the president actually said in September of 2002. Here it is.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

GEORGE W. BUSH, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: Both of them need to be dealt with. The War on Terror is — you can't distinguish between Al Qaeda and Saddam when you talk about the War on Terror. I can't distinguish between the two because they're both equally as bad.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

WALLACE: The point, Senator, is he wasn't saying that Saddam Hussein and Al Qaeda were linked. He was specifically asked which one is more dangerous, and he was saying he couldn't distinguish and say one was more dangerous than the other.

LEVIN: Yes, but what he also said in the same sentence was that Saddam Hussein would like nothing more than to use a terrorist network to attack and to kill, and that is not what the intelligence was, which said that Saddam Hussein was, quote, "intensely secular, wary of Islamic revolutionary movements."

That's what the intelligence was, and yet the president tried to link those two, and he did so much so much so that the majority of the American people — the majority of the American people believed, when we went to war, that Saddam Hussein had attacked us on 9/11. And on the aircraft carrier Abraham Lincoln immediately following the war, when he said mission accomplished, the president of the United States said we have removed an ally of Al Qaeda. Those were exactly his words. They were not allies.

WALLACE: Senator, he was specifically...

LEVIN: The intelligence community...

WALLACE: Senator, if I can ask a question here, he specifically was asked at one point if there was any evidence that Saddam Hussein was behind 9/11, and he said no, there wasn't. And again, because — you know, we can go into all of these things, but that specific quote there where you say he couldn't distinguish between Al Qaeda and Saddam Hussein — he wasn't saying that they were linked at all.

He was saying one was as bad as the other, and when he said in that same answer something about that Saddam Hussein would like to use a terrorist network, he wasn't saying that they would like to use Al Qaeda. So you're making a link there that the president never made.

LEVIN: He made the link so strong that the majority of the American people believed, when we went into Iraq, that Saddam Hussein had actually attacked us on 9/11.

Where do you think the American people got that impression from except from their leaders? And he specifically, again, on the aircraft carrier Abraham Lincoln, when that big banner was up there, mission accomplished, he said we have removed an ally of Al Qaeda. How much more link can there be?

WALLACE: So even after we played that sound bite that indicates that he didn't say that you couldn't distinguish, meaning that they were linked, you're still saying that that's what he said, even after you've heard what he actually said.

LEVIN: No, he said exactly what you said. He'd like nothing more — what you said, when you talk about the War on Terror, you can't distinguish between Al Qaeda and Saddam.

He then went on to say what you said. But then he went on further to say that Saddam Hussein would like to use a terrorist group against the United States, but that's not what the intelligence was saying.

The specific intelligence was that assisting — assisting — Islamic terrorists against the United States would be an extreme measure for Saddam Hussein, and so the CIA was saying that there was no operational effective link at all, and yet the president, the vice president...

WALLACE: Actually, the CIA...

LEVIN: ... and other people were...

WALLACE: Senator, Senator, again, I think you're distorting the information. The director of the CIA, , testified before Congress that, in fact, there were links and that there had been training.

I don't know, Senator Lugar, you've got a...

LEVIN: No, no, not training.

Source

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I don't know about the Mitchell incident.

40 posted on 11/28/2005 7:21:43 PM PST by hole_n_one
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To: Polybius

LOL!! Love it! Baaah!


41 posted on 11/28/2005 7:22:36 PM PST by the anti-liberal (Hey, Al Qaeda: Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent)
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To: hole_n_one; freema

Andrea Mitchell was on record saying many people in DC well knew Wilson's wife was CIA, but now she's changed her story, and Imus had great fun making her sweat.

The video/audio tape is here:
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2005/11/23.html#a6036


42 posted on 11/28/2005 7:22:48 PM PST by YaYa123
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To: ArmyBratproud
I know about that particular comment made by Mitchell.

I'm trying to find out what Mitchell lied about on Imus.

43 posted on 11/28/2005 7:23:15 PM PST by hole_n_one
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To: YaYa123

Thanks!


44 posted on 11/28/2005 7:24:20 PM PST by hole_n_one
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To: hole_n_one
For some reason, the first comments by Wallace didn't get completely posted in the excerpt........

Wallace: And I want to ask you about one specific case, if I can. You've charged repeatedly that the president said before the war that you couldn't distinguish between Saddam Hussein and Al Qaeda. Aren't you distorting what the president actually said?

45 posted on 11/28/2005 7:29:35 PM PST by hole_n_one
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To: jurroppi1

bttt


46 posted on 11/28/2005 7:36:08 PM PST by jurroppi1
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie

How about this: "DemocRats are nothing but LIARS!!"


47 posted on 11/28/2005 7:39:12 PM PST by Chieftain (Cindy Sheehan is a shameful example of an American mother duped by Kerry's LIES!)
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To: freema

Senator Levin has been misquoting President Bush for ages, and finally someone called him on it. Chris Wallace on Sunday. I can't find a transcript or description of the exchange, but Levin, even faced with exact and precise evidence of his lie, refused to acknowledge it.

Here's background on the lie itself:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1521950/posts


48 posted on 11/28/2005 7:39:26 PM PST by YaYa123
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To: hole_n_one
I watched Levin and Wallace in the face off. Did anyone else notice that as Levin was exposed as a liar, he actually shrank. He got smaller and smaller. He knew he was caught.
But this won't change him. Next time he has the opportunity, he will try lying again.
And where is the media.

Andrea Mitchell looks just as bad.
She keeps repeating "I messed up on the leaks" meaning she told the truth the first time and she can't erase it.
What a pathetic being.
49 posted on 11/28/2005 7:39:29 PM PST by fabriclady
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To: YaYa123
That's an incredible piece of audio.

Mitchell: I guess I was drunk.

......and you're right. She's obviously lying thru her teeth.

50 posted on 11/28/2005 7:40:09 PM PST by hole_n_one
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