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3 Utahns try to open door for polygamy (more grease on the slippery slope)
The Salt Lake Tribune ^ | 11/27/05 | By Pamela Manson

Posted on 11/28/2005 7:46:22 PM PST by ChildOfThe60s

Legal challenge: Salt Lake City lawyer Brian Barnard says the ban is unconstitutional By Pamela Manson The Salt Lake Tribune

Salt Lake Tribune Until 1963, interracial marriages were illegal in Utah. Residents who suffered chronic epileptic seizures and were not sterilized also were barred from marrying in the state. And, until 1993, anyone who had syphilis, gonorrhea or HIV could not make that walk down the aisle. Now, in 2005, three Utahns who want to unite as husband, wife and wife say their preferred form of marriage also should be allowed. They are asking the 10th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals to reverse a federal judge's rejection of their challenge to state prohibitions against bigamy and polygamy. "The fact [that] much of American legal culture is based on monogamy does not justify a ban on polygamy," their attorney, Brian Barnard, of Salt Lake City, wrote in a brief filed this month with the Denver-based appeals court. Barnard argued that a 2003 U.S. Supreme Court decision striking down a Texas law that prohibited sexual conduct between same-sex couples "provides individuals with protection from state intrusion as to intimate relationships." On Dec. 22, 2003, G. Lee Cook tried to obtain a marriage license from the Salt Lake County Clerk's Office to wed a woman, identified in court papers as J. Bronson. Cook's legal wife was identified as D. Cook. G. Lee Cook wrote on the application that he already was married and told clerks that he wanted to legally marry a second wife. The clerks refused to issue a marriage license and refunded a $50 fee. The three - who are all more than 45 years old and say polygamous marriage is a requirement for their exaltation and eternal salvation - filed suit in federal court against the clerks. The legal action seeks to overturn an 1879 decision by the U.S. Supreme Court, Reynolds v. United States, that upheld Utah's ban on polygamy. In February, U.S. District Judge Ted Stewart rejected the argument that the prohibition on polygamy is an unconstitutional violation of religious and privacy rights and ruled that the state has an interest in protecting monogamous marriage. Stewart also ruled that even the 2003 opinion in Lawrence v. Texas over the sodomy law did not grant a right to plural marriage, noting that the laws against bigamy and polygamy do not preclude private sexual conduct. Under Utah law, Barnard says, married people living in a sexual relationship with someone who is not their spouse is guilty of bigamy, and deceit or a second marriage ceremony are not required elements of the crime. But although that provision makes it illegal for a married man to live with a girlfriend before his divorce is final, the law has been used to target polygamists, he contends. There is no compelling governmental interest that makes the prohibition against religious polygamy constitutional, he argues in the brief. Utah also officially abandoned plural marriage, in part, lawyers for the state say, because of social problems associated with polygamy; the exploitation of women and girls; and the encouragement of responsible procreation. Barnard counters that the state does not regulate exploitative relationships between other couples, and if there were a compelling reason to promote responsible procreation, Utah would step into all family situations. Yet, there are no sanctions against an unwed mother who rears children alone, and there is no statute barring parents from divorcing and raising their children in separate households. "The state does not restrict nor ban 'serial polygamists,' individuals who repeatedly marry, conceive children and divorce a series of spouses." pmanson@sltrib.com


TOPICS: Culture/Society; US: Utah
KEYWORDS: cult; deviance; eunumpluribus; lawrencevtexas; marriage; polygamy; utah
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To: ChildOfThe60s
I heard that men talk about 1000 words/day whereas women use 4000/day. Anyone wanting more then one wife gets what they ask for.

Can you imagine coming home and having three wives saying "Honey, we need to TALK".

21 posted on 11/28/2005 8:10:48 PM PST by freedomlover (This Fall a Woman will be the Mother of a Mouse)
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To: ChildOfThe60s

Another reason we need a marriage defined as between one man and one woman...


22 posted on 11/28/2005 8:10:52 PM PST by yldstrk (My heros have always been cowboys-Reagan and Bush)
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To: ChildOfThe60s

More proof that paragraphs are our friends.


23 posted on 11/28/2005 8:11:13 PM PST by freedomlover (This Fall a Woman will be the Mother of a Mouse)
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To: Army Air Corps
The three - who are all more than 45 years old and say polygamous marriage is a requirement for their exaltation and eternal salvation -

The three, meaning... a husband, wife and wife. Is there a wife, husband and husband, too? Yikes, this whole thing is so perverted.

24 posted on 11/28/2005 8:17:42 PM PST by Victoria Delsoul
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To: freedomlover
And as Rodney Carrington says, "We need to talk doesn't mean we need to talk, it means you need to sit and listen while I tell you all the ways you've been up."
25 posted on 11/28/2005 8:17:45 PM PST by Mr. Blonde (You know, Happy Time Harry, just being around you kinda makes me want to die.)
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To: Torie

Thanks for the post. My eyes are grateful.


26 posted on 11/28/2005 8:18:16 PM PST by Victoria Delsoul
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To: ChildOfThe60s

Polygyny has more historical precedent than 'gay marriage'.


27 posted on 11/28/2005 8:21:50 PM PST by supercat (Sony delinda est.)
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To: Victoria Delsoul

See my post #6.


28 posted on 11/28/2005 8:23:03 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: ChildOfThe60s
For the love of God, one wife is enough!

More seriously, there's a Wisconsin brother and sister convicted of incest who are appealing, arguing that Lawrence invalidates such laws. I believe the first level appeal was rejected, but the judge sure had to do some fancy legal wrangling to avoid that conclusion.

29 posted on 11/28/2005 8:26:28 PM PST by pierrem15
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To: Army Air Corps

Double yikes, but you got a point.


30 posted on 11/28/2005 8:29:18 PM PST by Victoria Delsoul
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To: Victoria Delsoul

"Double yikes, but you got a point."

Read post #29. Ick!


31 posted on 11/28/2005 8:31:10 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: Army Air Corps

Ick is right. Man oh man!


32 posted on 11/28/2005 8:32:44 PM PST by Victoria Delsoul
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To: pierrem15

"More seriously, there's a Wisconsin brother and sister convicted of incest who are appealing, arguing that Lawrence invalidates such laws."

I think that I'm gonna vomit...


33 posted on 11/28/2005 8:34:03 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: oolatec

You better have a LOT of money first!;))


35 posted on 11/28/2005 8:43:22 PM PST by Frank_2001
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To: ChildOfThe60s

Polygamy usually consists of predatory older men preying on young and vulnerable while hiding behind religion.


36 posted on 11/28/2005 9:09:14 PM PST by tkathy (Ban the headscarf. (All religious headdress). The effect will creat a huge domino effect..)
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To: wigswest
"does this mean that in Utah, a woman can have 3 husbands?"

This is an interesting concept. By your proposal, I need to act like a husband only two days a week (conjugal rights, helping out in the kitchen, reading to the kids, putting down the toilet seat). And, on the other five days I can run around like a single guy -- meaning, staying out until closing time with buddies, playing golf all weekend, flirting with other girls, etc.

Sign me up! Sounds like the perfect marriage!

[just kidding, dear, I really didn't mean iiiiit ... ouch! ouch! Don't you know a joke when you see one? ouch!]

37 posted on 11/28/2005 9:12:05 PM PST by tom h
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To: Army Air Corps
The only way states are gonna get out of this legal straightjacket that Lawrence created is to start arguing -- and codifying into law -- a "compelling interest" argument that the state has in protecting, preserving, and institutionalizing marriage as between one man and one woman.

Anything else becomes a religious argument, and though I personally stand behind that 100% (uh, except in the Mormon context), it obviously won't stand in courts anymore.

38 posted on 11/28/2005 9:12:52 PM PST by alancarp (Will hack code for oil)
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To: Army Air Corps
You are very correct in stating that once one widens the definition of marriage, the freaks will pop-up in droves.

Two widowed sisters might marry for the benefits. No sex, just married.

39 posted on 11/28/2005 9:19:03 PM PST by poindexter
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To: tom h
LOL, the flowers! You forgot the FLOWERS!!!

oh yeah, and the dancing...

oh, and could one of you guys pick me up a sixpack of chocolate on the way home??

;) ;)

40 posted on 11/28/2005 9:38:21 PM PST by wigswest
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