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Bush backs visas for illegal immigrants
theage.com ^ | November 30, 2005 | Michael Gawenda

Posted on 11/29/2005 7:21:12 PM PST by 11th_VA

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To: Chani
I'm starting to think our next president has already been chosen and I think the current President is paving the way for her.

Remember when the worst case scenario was the LESSER of two evils? (taking a wrong and trying to make a right out of it just won't work!). Do they take us for idiots or just take us?

What the heck is this business about if they make it so many miles inside our country, then they're good to stay? Absolutely astoundingly absurd. It still amounts to a slap in the face of legal immigrants IMHO.

All the hoopla about not meeting social security funding and yet they permit anchor babies and put illegals on disability who say they have a drug problem. I've read about our wounded veterans being denied disability (and having to fight our government for it) and this infuriates me.

Our government allows 10,000 foreign religious visas annually good for up to 5 years. How many of them don't show up to renew or return (let alone how many are mullahs or imams)? It gets worse and worse with immigration policy. End of rant.

101 posted on 11/29/2005 9:04:00 PM PST by MamaDearest
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To: rolling_stone
Oh really? Could it be because there is too much cheap competition for those jobs from illegals working under the table, no workers com, taxes etc?

I won't disagree with you there

But look at it this way

If you own a business (especially a small business) could you afford the demands from the Unions??

Can they afford to pay a dishwasher $30 per hour plus benefits??

I am not saying what they are doing is right .. just pointing things out

102 posted on 11/29/2005 9:04:18 PM PST by Mo1 (Message to Democrats .... We do not surrender and run from a fight !!)
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To: no-to-illegals
and all I'm saying is this must be done legally...

I don't disagree with you

I was just trying to point out some of the things we up against in trying to fix this illegal problem we have

We are on the same side ..

103 posted on 11/29/2005 9:06:38 PM PST by Mo1 (Message to Democrats .... We do not surrender and run from a fight !!)
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To: 11th_VA

Instead of calling Bush names, I would like to see one person on this thread propose some practical idea to get 13 Million people out of the woodwork, and become legal. Or, for that matter, explain to me how one goes about having law enforcement deport 13 Million Illegal alliens?

I submit to you, it's not possible. Today or any day. I know that the approach Bush and past presidents has taken were responsible for this mess, but there is simply no easy fix. I would support a complete sealing of the Border with walls, fences or whatever. But, we're never going to get 13 million people out.. Our only option is to make them legal residents who become subject to behaviorial discipline, finacial responsibility OR deportation.

A resident alien, or guest worker CAN be deported if they violate laws. This program just gets them on the books. I disagree with those who call it an Amnesty without a more logical idea to back up thier views


104 posted on 11/29/2005 9:07:32 PM PST by Greenpees (Coulda Shoulda Woulda)
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To: Mo1

fixing the problem is easy...
but those here illegally must go home.
the will is the only item needed.


105 posted on 11/29/2005 9:10:00 PM PST by no-to-illegals ((every illegal displaces an America worker increasing welfare rolls))
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To: no-to-illegals
fixing the problem is easy...

If it was easy ... we wouldn't have the problems we do today

If I recall .. California tried to block taxpayer funds for social programs for illegals .. and the voters agreed to it .. but the courts didn't

106 posted on 11/29/2005 9:13:51 PM PST by Mo1 (Message to Democrats .... We do not surrender and run from a fight !!)
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To: Mulch
Oh Really? You just showed your true colors boy.

Yea yea yea .. whatever

107 posted on 11/29/2005 9:14:20 PM PST by Mo1 (Message to Democrats .... We do not surrender and run from a fight !!)
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To: 1_Inch_Group; 2sheep; 2Trievers; 3AngelaD; 4Freedom; 4ourprogeny; 7.62 x 51mm; A CA Guy; ...

ping


108 posted on 11/29/2005 9:16:07 PM PST by gubamyster
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To: Greenpees
Instead of calling Bush names, I would like to see one person on this thread propose some practical idea to get 13 Million people out of the woodwork, and become legal. Or, for that matter, explain to me how one goes about having law enforcement deport 13 Million Illegal alliens?

That would be a refreshing change

109 posted on 11/29/2005 9:16:26 PM PST by Mo1 (Message to Democrats .... We do not surrender and run from a fight !!)
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To: Greenpees
I would like to see one person on this thread propose some practical idea to get 13 Million people out of the woodwork, and become legal. Or, for that matter, explain to me how one goes about having law enforcement deport 13 Million Illegal alliens?

Easy.

A) Close down the border. When you're bleeding to death, the first order of business is to staunch the wound.

B) Remove the financial incentive for being here. That can be accomplished very quickly by making the hiring of illegals costly...very costly....to the employers. The Bush Administration has signally failed to do this...to simply enforce the laws that are already on the books. BTW, in his speech, you will notice that he didn't talk of punishing these scofflaws. Quite the contrary. He spoke of HELPING them!

C) Step up interior enforcement. Come on. Communities all over America have illegals everywhere now. It's no secret, and no mystery where to find them.

By the way, your 'thirteen million' figure is a joke. It's more like thirty million plus.

110 posted on 11/29/2005 9:16:34 PM PST by EternalVigilance
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To: Greenpees
the fourteenth amendment cannot include illegals, in other
words, no anchors.

fine the employers 10 thousand first offense,
1 million second offense multiply each offense
times 10.

I know of no other way, but people are going to die,
no matter if something is done, or is not done at
this point...
this has been allowed to go on for too long.....
feed the alligator now, and wait to be eaten or
kill the alligator are the only solutions. the court will have to be removed from this situation. legislation can help or a writ.
111 posted on 11/29/2005 9:17:27 PM PST by no-to-illegals ((every illegal displaces an America worker increasing welfare rolls))
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To: no-to-illegals

in the interest of national security...
we are near critical mass with this situation....
we, as a nation, must move quickly.
to not do, is to be done.

Washington, DC has to cooperate with this effort
or I believe _________
he!!, you fill in the blank, I know what I believe,
but you don't have to believe as I do.....
therefore if the alligator is to eat us....
so be it.


112 posted on 11/29/2005 9:20:55 PM PST by no-to-illegals ((every illegal displaces an America worker increasing welfare rolls))
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To: Ben Hecks

That would work for me.... and I think I would have found a new career!


113 posted on 11/29/2005 9:22:50 PM PST by clee1 (We use 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 2 to pull a trigger. I'm lazy and I'm tired of smiling.)
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To: 11th_VA
I'm fed up with W. He's more liberal than The Swimmer, Chucky, Nancy, Al, Jesse, or Diane. And I've been a Republican since I stumped for Barry Goldwater in 1963.

Now... I believe this Republic is gone forever. Another reason to tell my children not to have children. Diana and Jeffrey will be lucky to be alive in 30 years.

115 posted on 11/29/2005 9:26:13 PM PST by Cobra64
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To: Icelander

Did you send that graphic to the WH?


116 posted on 11/29/2005 9:27:56 PM PST by Cobra64
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To: no-to-illegals
... fine the employers 10 thousand first offense...

1. Split the fine 50/50 with anyone who who turns them in.

2. Since any money they made as illegal aliens was gained in the commission of a crime, seize their assets. Burglars don't get to keep what they stole, neither should illegal aliens.

3. Create a 100% tax bracket for income earned by illegal aliens, zero exemptions.
117 posted on 11/29/2005 9:29:52 PM PST by fallujah-nuker (America needs more SAC and less empty sacs.)
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To: JeffAtlanta
You believe that $70 million will build a fence to secure the southern border? Try $5 billion.

so we should do nothing??

118 posted on 11/29/2005 9:30:02 PM PST by Mo1 (Message to Democrats .... We do not surrender and run from a fight !!)
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To: Cobra64

FRiend the republic isn't gone...
but we are going to have to fight to keep it...
Our founding fathers warned, as such, that there
would be these times.

Now we have entered "these times" again....
Good to see a FRiend.


119 posted on 11/29/2005 9:33:08 PM PST by no-to-illegals ((every illegal displaces an America worker increasing welfare rolls))
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To: fallujah-nuker

I could support your ideas,
To do nothing is to be done.


120 posted on 11/29/2005 9:35:10 PM PST by no-to-illegals ((every illegal displaces an America worker increasing welfare rolls))
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