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Flightdeck, wing and engines key to design (Boeing 747-8)
FlightInternational.com ^ | 22/11/2005 | Staff

Posted on 11/29/2005 10:38:08 PM PST by Paleo Conservative

The Boeing 747-8 will introduce an upgraded cockpit that borrows technology from the 777 and recently launched 787 programmes, but still shares a common pilot type-rating with the existing 747-400.

Boeing vice-president 747 programmes Jeff Peace says two to four days of differences training will be necessary for 747-400 pilots to use the new aircraft’s electronic checklists, cursor controls and upgraded flight management computer.

Peace says the -8’s “essentially new wing” will feature a simpler flap system with fewer parts, which should improve reliability. Double-slotted inboard and single-slotted outboard trailing-edge devices replace the 747’s current triple-slotted flaps, and raked wingtips have been added.

“We left the [wing] planform and the location of the structure the same,” says Peace, to allow existing production tooling to be used. The 68.5m-span wing will incorporate new materials and thicker gauges and has also been “retwisted and relofted”, says Peace. The aircraft will use a strengthened landing gear fitted with 777 tyres.

Overall, there will be 80% parts commonality with the 747-400 for maintenance purposes, Peace says.

To cut production costs, Boeing is trying to reduce the number of airline customisation options. This will, for example, mean that a satellite communications antenna will be fitted as standard and there will be a single wheel and brakes vendor, says Peace.

The 747-8’s 66,500lb-thrust (296kN) GEnx-2B67 engines will use the same core as the bleed-enabled version of the 787’s bleedless powerplant that is under development for the Airbus A350, but married to a smaller 2.64m-diameter (104in) fan to avoid having to introduce a taller landing gear.

The new engines help to reduce the 747-8’s 85dBA noise contour at maximum take-off weight by “more than 30%” compared with the 747-400.

The -8 Intercontinental passenger version will be equipped with the recontoured “Signature” cabin recently introduced on the 747-400ER.

Maximum take-off weight will be just under 436t (960,000lb), up from the 413t of the -400ER, and the operating empty weight of the passenger version is likely to come in at around 181t, although “we’re still working with aerodynamic trades”, says Peace.

The configuration of both -8 models is due to be frozen in the third quarter next year. High-speed windtunnel tests will be carried out early in 2006, followed by low-speed trials in May.

The first -8F is due to be rolled out in the third quarter of 2008 and fly by the end of that year, followed by entry into service in September 2009.

The service entry of the -8 Intercontinental is targeted for February 2010. Range of the passenger model is extended from the -400’s 13,690km (7,400nm) to 14,800km.

Boeing expects to certificate the aircraft under the US Federal Aviation Administration’s “changed product rule”; the manufacturer’s 747-400BCF converted freighter became the first major Boeing programme to undergo this amended certification process. n


TOPICS: Business/Economy; US: Illinois; US: Missouri; US: Washington
KEYWORDS: 747; 7478; boeing

1 posted on 11/29/2005 10:38:09 PM PST by Paleo Conservative
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To: COEXERJ145; microgood; liberallarry; cmsgop; shaggy eel; RayChuang88; Larry Lucido; namsman; ...

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2 posted on 11/29/2005 10:40:20 PM PST by Paleo Conservative (Hey hey ho ho Andy Heyward's got to go!)
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To: Paleo Conservative

Question to all you aero-nuts: I see the total thrust is around 260k lbs while the takeoff weight is around 960k lbs.

Is that relative ratio of thrust to max takeoff weight a benchmark of sorts? In other words, is that pretty much a rule in aerodynamics?


3 posted on 11/29/2005 10:46:52 PM PST by Pessimist
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To: Paleo Conservative
So why are raked wingtips better than current winglets?
4 posted on 11/29/2005 10:47:30 PM PST by xrp (Conservative votes are to Republicans what 90% of black votes are to Democrats (taken for granted))
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To: Paleo Conservative

All this, and no changes to the Center Wing Fuel Tank???

/sarcasm


5 posted on 11/29/2005 10:58:24 PM PST by Petruchio ( ... .--. .- -.-- / .- -. -.. / -. . ..- - . .-. / .. .-.. .-.. . --. .- .-.. / .- .-.. .. . -. ...)
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To: Pessimist
Question to all you aero-nuts: I see the total thrust is around 260k lbs while the takeoff weight is around 960k lbs.

Is that relative ratio of thrust to max takeoff weight a benchmark of sorts? In other words, is that pretty much a rule in aerodynamics?

The minimum thrust required for an aircraft is determined by the amount of thrust needed to allow a plane to safely takeoff if it lost one engine at the worst possible time during takeoff. A four engined plane requires less total power than a twin engined plane, because the loss of one engine decreases available thrust by just 25% compared to 50% for the twin.

A civilian transport plane doesn't requre a high thrust to weight ratio the way a fighter does. It's just trying to transport people or freight as economically as possible. An F-15 is an air superiority fighter designed to be able to outrun adversaries and climb at high angles even vertically. A transport with that much thrust wouldn't be economical. It would be carrying extra deadweight in engines that are too large rather than cargo.

6 posted on 11/29/2005 11:03:19 PM PST by Paleo Conservative (Hey hey ho ho Andy Heyward's got to go!)
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To: Aeronaut; Tijeras_Slim

Plane Ping.


7 posted on 11/29/2005 11:06:59 PM PST by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: COEXERJ145; RayChuang88
“We left the [wing] planform and the location of the structure the same,” says Peace, to allow existing production tooling to be used. The 68.5m-span wing will incorporate new materials and thicker gauges and has also been “retwisted and relofted”, says Peace.

Does this mean the new 747-8 will have a supercritical airfoil like the 777? If so, wouldn't this also help increase the volume of fuel that can be stored in the wing tanks?

8 posted on 11/29/2005 11:14:38 PM PST by Paleo Conservative (Hey hey ho ho Andy Heyward's got to go!)
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To: Paleo Conservative

LOL...New issue just arrived to my...uh..,'reading room' on monday. I think the -8 is a valid conyender to the AB380.


9 posted on 11/30/2005 12:55:50 AM PST by Khurkris ("Hell, I was there"...Elmer Keith.)
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To: xrp
They accomplish the same effect, that is the lessening of drag caused by lift, with even less drag, no side forces to contend with, and less weight, than winglets.

:O)

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10 posted on 11/30/2005 12:59:23 AM PST by papasmurf (I watched the 11/18/05-SMACKDOWN in Congress!!!)
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To: xrp
So why are raked wingtips better than current winglets?

They make a better impression at a party:


11 posted on 11/30/2005 4:05:23 AM PST by freedumb2003 (Let's tear down the observatory so we never get hit by a meteor again!)
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To: Paleo Conservative

If the planform is kept the same, no.


12 posted on 11/30/2005 5:37:13 AM PST by TalonDJ
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To: xrp
So why are raked wingtips better than current winglets?

Raked wingtips offer the drag-reducing benefits of winglets but without the potential problem of excessive wing flutter that winglets can sometimes cause. First used successfully on the 767-400ER, raked wingtips are now used on the 777-300ER and 777-200LR models.

13 posted on 11/30/2005 5:51:18 AM PST by RayChuang88
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To: TalonDJ
If the planform is kept the same, no.

According to the proposals for updating the 747 that were rumored about three years ago was that the same structural parts of the wing would be used but the wings would be recontoured to make a thicker supercritical airfoil. I was wondering if that was what was meant by "relofting"? Previous proposals would have put a totally different less highly swept supercritical wing on the 747 which would have been much more expensive to design manufacture and certify.

14 posted on 11/30/2005 6:31:59 AM PST by Paleo Conservative (Hey hey ho ho Andy Heyward's got to go!)
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To: Paleo Conservative
It certainly looks like they are going to minimum change route. If they are adjusting the foil at all it is going to be a very small amount. They might have to a little though since they do appear to be increasing the weight. They are definitely increasing the loading of the wing. The raked tips might be doing most of that though. I am not totally certain since I do avionics not airframes.
15 posted on 11/30/2005 6:37:43 AM PST by TalonDJ
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To: Paleo Conservative

I wonder how much of the proposed wing/flap changes has to do with an infusion of ideas from the former McDonnell Douglas side of the company? They always had "cleaner" wings than Boeing....


16 posted on 11/30/2005 6:45:41 AM PST by r9etb
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To: Paleo Conservative
...Flightdeck, wing and engines key to design...

I'm hoping that this is not a recent discovery over there at Boeing.

17 posted on 11/30/2005 6:52:51 AM PST by GingisK
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