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Crips founder gets private clemency hearing (from Scharzenegger)
AP ^ | Nov 28 05 | David Kravetz

Posted on 11/30/2005 2:35:54 PM PST by churchillbuff

Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger said he would consider granting clemency to convicted killer Stanley Tookie Williams, the Crips gang co-founder who became an anti-gang activist while in prison.

The governor said Friday he would meet Dec. 8 in a private hearing at his Sacramento office with Williams' lawyers, Los Angeles County prosecutors and others involved.

Schwarzenegger, vested with constitutional authority to grant mercy and commute a death sentence to life without parole, is not legally obligated to hold a public or private hearing, and decides clemency requests on a "case-by-case basis," said his spokeswoman, Margita Thompson.

Williams, 51, faces death by lethal injection on Dec. 13 for murdering four people in 1979 — a Whittier convenience store clerk and three people at a Pico Rivera motel less than two weeks later. He denies his guilt, and has also asked the California Supreme Court to reopen his case, alleging shoddy forensics wrongly connected him to three of the murders.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; US: California
KEYWORDS: clemency; frytookie; tookie
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1 posted on 11/30/2005 2:35:55 PM PST by churchillbuff
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To: churchillbuff

The headline is wrong, if one reads the text. Not meeting with Tookie; but Tookie's lawyer.


2 posted on 11/30/2005 2:36:58 PM PST by Alia
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To: churchillbuff

He is definitely going to wimp out on this one.


3 posted on 11/30/2005 2:37:00 PM PST by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: churchillbuff

aND THE LEFTIES AGAIN SUPPORT A MAD DOG KILLER.


4 posted on 11/30/2005 2:38:26 PM PST by marty60
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To: Alia

doesnt matter if the headline is wrong...AHHGNOLD is wrong to even consider this move...what a phoquing retard!!!!


5 posted on 11/30/2005 2:39:07 PM PST by kajingawd (" happy with stone underhead, let Heaven and Earth go about their changes")
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To: churchillbuff

It is abundantly clear based on what I heard on Fox News that this guy is not a changed man at all regardless of the lefty claims.


6 posted on 11/30/2005 2:39:29 PM PST by rwfromkansas (http://www.xanga.com/rwfromkansas)
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To: churchillbuff

I am sure that he will figure that it would be a political boost if he wimps out on the execution.


7 posted on 11/30/2005 2:40:02 PM PST by Dustbunny (Main Stream Media -- Making 'Max Headroom' a reality.)
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To: dead

I think Arnold is doing it so people will believe that he looked at and considered everything. Unfortunately, for Tookie, but fortunately for society, the Terminator had to terminate him. When Tookie leaves for his final journey on the gurney, he won't say to the guy in the next cell, "I'll be back."


8 posted on 11/30/2005 2:40:19 PM PST by doug from upland (The troops will come home when the mission is complete)
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To: churchillbuff

I saw an interview with Tookie. He denies everything, of course. Corrections regards him as a jailhouse con-man and self taught PR expert. If they thought different, I might suggest a second look, but this guy looks like trouble from the word "Go".

He's smart, but he's gonna burn anyway.


9 posted on 11/30/2005 2:40:58 PM PST by Wiseghy (Discontent is the want of self-reliance: it is infirmity of will. – Ralph Waldo Emerson)
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To: churchillbuff

If he fails to execute this POS, he can kiss re-election goodbye along with what remains of his base. He might increase his % of black radical felon non-voters, however. reprehensible.


10 posted on 11/30/2005 2:41:05 PM PST by giobruno
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To: Dustbunny

Whats the current line on clemency? If he does it will have repurcussions beyond belief. Trojan horse rhinos will be the death of us.


11 posted on 11/30/2005 2:41:22 PM PST by samadams2000 (Nothing fills the void of a passing hurricane better than government)
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To: dead

Yup.


12 posted on 11/30/2005 2:41:25 PM PST by johnny7 (“You have a corpse in a car, minus a head, in the garage. Take me to it.”)
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To: doug from upland

Hang Him.


13 posted on 11/30/2005 2:42:32 PM PST by Unicorn (Too many wimps around.)
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To: Unicorn

I think they give him his choice of lethal injection or gas chamber. Either is fine with me.


14 posted on 11/30/2005 2:44:15 PM PST by doug from upland (The troops will come home when the mission is complete)
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To: churchillbuff

Well anyway, we can make Martha Stewart keep that ankle braclet thing on until the very last day, and it sure makes me feel safer.


15 posted on 11/30/2005 2:44:39 PM PST by KC Burke (Men of intemperate minds can never be free....)
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To: churchillbuff

Karla Fay Tucker had a much stronger claim to conversion, and her clemency appeal was denied. This scum needs to go.


16 posted on 11/30/2005 2:44:54 PM PST by Buck W. (Yesterday's Intelligentsia are today's Irrelevantsia.)
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To: dead

I don't know enough details to know what the correct decision is in this case.

But I can assure Arnold that he should not let any hope of good pr from the MSM affect his decisions in the least bit. Every GOP office holder should remember how well G.H.W. Bush was treated in the early 1990s after finally relenting on raising taxes after all the commentators said he would, he should, it was the only decent thing to do etc.

They savaged G.H.W. Bush for raising taxes just as they will savage Arnold whether he communtes this sentence or not. Thus Arnold should do what ever the evidence leads him to do. He should expect nor hope no gain from behaving the way the Dims demand.


17 posted on 11/30/2005 2:45:05 PM PST by JLS
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To: churchillbuff
Schwarzenegger's office said it would decide Williams' clemency request before Dec. 13.

The sooner the better. I'm sick of reading about this criminal.

18 posted on 11/30/2005 2:45:08 PM PST by calcowgirl
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To: Alia

A clemency hearing never involves the convicted ... only their attorney.


19 posted on 11/30/2005 2:46:13 PM PST by BunnySlippers
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To: Unicorn

Let Tookie Die Let Tookie Die Tookie don't desevre to live
Let Tookie Die Let Tookie Die Tookie don't desevre to live
Let Tookie Die Let Tookie Die Tookie don't desevre to live
Let Tookie Die Let Tookie Die Tookie don't desevre to live


20 posted on 11/30/2005 2:46:39 PM PST by al baby (Father of the beeber)
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To: Unicorn
AUTHORIZED METHODS OF EXECUTION IN EACH STATE

Yep, lethal injection is the preferred method, but Tookie could choose lethal gas if he wishes. Hey, I am pro-choice on this. I'll be glad to let Tookie choose.

21 posted on 11/30/2005 2:47:00 PM PST by doug from upland (The troops will come home when the mission is complete)
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To: churchillbuff
Clemency. The end of Arnold's career as a Republican politician.
22 posted on 11/30/2005 2:47:10 PM PST by BIGZ
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To: churchillbuff

Go to www.johnandkenshow.com for pictures of Tookie's victims.


23 posted on 11/30/2005 2:47:18 PM PST by VU4G10 (Have You Forgotten?)
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To: churchillbuff

Lethal Injection
In 1977, Oklahoma became the first state to adopt lethal injection as a means of execution, though it would be five more years until Charles Brooks would become the first person executed by lethal injection in Texas on December 2, 1982. Today, 37 of the 38 states that have the death penalty use this method.
When this method is used, the condemned person is usually bound to a gurney and a member of the execution team positions several heart monitors on this skin. Two needles (one is a back-up) are then inserted into usable veins, usually in the inmates arms. Long tubes connect the needle through a hole in a cement block wall to several intravenous drips. The first is a harmless saline solution that is started immediately. Then, at the warden's signal, a curtain is raised exposing the inmate to the witnesses in an adjoining room. Then, the inmate is injected with sodium thiopental - an anesthetic, which puts the inmate to sleep. Next flows pavulon or pancuronium bromide, which paralyzes the entire muscle system and stops the inmate's breathing. Finally, the flow of potassium chloride stops the heart. Death results from anesthetic overdose and respiratory and cardiac arrest while the condemned person is unconscious. (Ecenbarger, 1994 and Weisberg, 1991)
Medical ethics preclude doctors from participating in executions. However, a doctor will certify the inmate is dead. This lack of medical participation can be problematic because often injections are performed by inexperienced technicians or orderlies. If a member of the execution team injects the drugs into a muscle instead of a vein, or if the needle becomes clogged, extreme pain can result. Many prisoners have damaged veins resulting from intravenous drug use and it is sometimes difficult to find a usable vein, resulting in long delays while the inmate remains strapped to the gurney. (Ecenbarger, 1994 and Weisberg, 1991)


24 posted on 11/30/2005 2:47:46 PM PST by doug from upland (The troops will come home when the mission is complete)
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To: churchillbuff

I hope Schwarzenegger doesn'y think there is even the tiniest bit of goodwill from the left or from anyone else if he lets this freak live. Instance after instance of giving in to the left proves that the animosity only increases and he will be putting those who support him.


25 posted on 11/30/2005 2:48:10 PM PST by arthurus (Better to fight them over THERE than over HERE.)
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To: Wiseghy
I saw an interview with Tookie. He denies everything, of course. Corrections regards him as a jailhouse con-man and self taught PR expert. If they thought different, I might suggest a second look, but this guy looks like trouble from the word "Go".

I quickly read through the 57 page report prosecutors have prepared for the governator. There is no doubt that this guy is scum and a lying sack of sh*t.

Childrens' books my Aunt Fanny. This guy is a predator, a psychopath, and a cold blooded killer who needs to die.

26 posted on 11/30/2005 2:49:10 PM PST by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten (Is your problem ignorance or apathy? I don't know and I don't care.)
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SONG PARODY: "TOOKIE GOT RUN OVER BY A GURNEY"

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Tookie got run over by a gurney...that had come to take him for his shot
It looks like he may have a concussion...outside the prison Snoop Dogg's really hot

Tookie co-founded the Crips gang...parts of cities they've destroyed
He's nominated for a Peace Prize...but this year he won't be opening his toys

They say he writes books for children...death would be a tragic loss
When I saw that in the paper...the whole lunch I just had eaten I had tossed

Tookie got run over by a gurney...that had come to take him for his shot
It looks like he may have a concussion...outside the prison Snoop Dogg's really hot

He has fans who threaten riots...they'll cause trouble everywhere
And if your town should start erupting...there's a good chance you'll find Maxine Waters there

For the Texas/USC game...he has tickets...oh, how sad
He won't be there to attend it...he should sell them quickly with an e-Bay ad

Tookie got run over by a gurney...that had come to take him for his shot
It looks like he may have a concussion...outside the prison Snoop Dogg's really hot

This year he will miss the eggnog...chestnuts roasting on the fire
And in his death cell he's been screaming...he is claiming that George Bush has been a liar

Children, here is Tookie's lesson...if you murder, you must know
That someday they're gonna catch you...and inside your veins the chemicals will flow

Tookie got run over by a gurney...that had come to take him for his shot
It looks like he may have a concussion...outside the prison Snoop Dogg's really hot

Tookie got run over by a gurney...that had come to take him for his shot
It looks like he may have a concussion...outside the prison Snoop Dogg's really hot

NOTE:  this will be the 27th Christmas that the families and friends of Albert Owens,  Yen-I Yang and Thsai-Shaic Yang, and their daughter, Yee Chen Lin, will celebrate Christmas without them. 


27 posted on 11/30/2005 2:50:56 PM PST by doug from upland (The troops will come home when the mission is complete)
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To: doug from upland
Hey Doug....I think our folks in Texas have gained enough experience over the years that they have become proficient. If your boy Tookie is worried about it hurting...send his sorry a$$ this way....we will do it right, so as to not cause the boy any undue stress!!
28 posted on 11/30/2005 2:52:48 PM PST by RVN Airplane Driver (Freedom isn't Free....never has been...never will be)
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To: Wiseghy

Not smart enough to stay out of trouble in the first place. But that's all whiteys fault.


29 posted on 11/30/2005 2:53:02 PM PST by Stayingawayfromthedarkside (The stink you smell are the liberals fuming after Ann speaks!!!)
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To: doug from upland

I belive you're right-on on this one!!


30 posted on 11/30/2005 2:54:54 PM PST by RichRepublican (Some days you're the windshield--some days you're the bug.)
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To: churchillbuff

I hear 'Tookie' is the honorary grand marshall of the Kwanza parade this year. They are hoping he will still be among the living as the parade is scheduled to take place more than a week after his execution date. Now really.. how pathetic is that!


31 posted on 11/30/2005 2:55:05 PM PST by InsensitiveConservative
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To: churchillbuff
The Governor had better give as much time and consideration to the families and legal representatives of the victims as he does the gangster.
32 posted on 11/30/2005 2:55:06 PM PST by msnimje (Bob Woodward is the GRINCH who stole Fitzmas............Cindy Lou (sheehan) WHO?)
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To: churchillbuff
Ok Arnold, consider this. A life sentance vs. death.

If you commute this butt crack's death sentence you will be leaving the door open to an escape. He's tried it before and he has the organization (Crips), on the outside and the inside to pull it off. Now, if he escapes, no body in California, or the rest of the country would be safe. He has Crips all over the country that would hide him, and participate willingly in a murder and mayhem spree that you would be responsible for.

Kill him now and end this!

33 posted on 11/30/2005 2:56:16 PM PST by timydnuc (I'll die on my feet before I'll live on my knees.)
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To: churchillbuff
Question: When S.T. Williams, author extraordinaire, founded the gang, did he not know the proper spelling of "crypts" or was he naming his group after the slang word for cripple?
34 posted on 11/30/2005 2:58:25 PM PST by fat city ("The nation that controls magnetism controls the world.")
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To: Wiseghy
He's smart, but he's gonna burn anyway.

He's street smart, not "smart" as in intelligent.

35 posted on 11/30/2005 2:59:27 PM PST by darkangel82
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To: RVN Airplane Driver

Thanks for the offer. Do I kidnap him and drag his sorry butt to Texas?


36 posted on 11/30/2005 2:59:39 PM PST by doug from upland (The troops will come home when the mission is complete)
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To: churchillbuff

If AS grants this fiend clemency, right after hiring the lesbian activist, my disgust for him knows no bounds. Better to have a regular liberal Democrat that a (deleted deleted) RINO.


37 posted on 11/30/2005 3:00:33 PM PST by little jeremiah
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To: marty60

aND THE LEFTIES AGAIN SUPPORT A MAD DOG KILLER.
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Well, they support Clinton, don't they? Only slight differences, really...IMHO.


38 posted on 11/30/2005 3:00:35 PM PST by EagleUSA
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To: doug from upland

Not to mention all the people killed and maimed by the many gangs he helped form.


39 posted on 11/30/2005 3:00:57 PM PST by RichRepublican (Some days you're the windshield--some days you're the bug.)
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To: JLS
"I don't know enough details to know what the correct decision is in this case."

There is a thread around here somewhere which contains a link to a .pdf copy of the brief submitted to Arnold by the State opposing clemency. This summarizes the evidence produced at trial and Tookie's incredibly violent behavior after his conviction (plotting to kill witnesses) and while in prison. (appears to be a prison "enforcer.") The brief clearly shows that the evidence against Tookie was overwhelming. It also shows that after one murder, Tookie got a big laugh mimicing the dying sounds of one of the elderly Asians he shotgunned at point blank range to eliminate a witness. Although I am generally anti death penalty, in the case I've got to admit the world would be a much better place without this mad dog.

40 posted on 11/30/2005 3:02:19 PM PST by joebuck
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To: marty60
On Dec. 8th we will find out who the Girly-man is.
41 posted on 11/30/2005 3:03:09 PM PST by fish hawk (creatio ex nihilo)
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To: churchillbuff
murdering four people in 1979 ... shoddy forensics wrongly connected him to three of the murders.

OK, I've made up my mind. Give him a new trial for the three murders, after we execute him for the fourth. Fair enough?

42 posted on 11/30/2005 3:04:05 PM PST by Michael.SF. (Paris Hilton - Living proof that one need not be poor to be White Trash)
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To: RichRepublican

Because of him, there are probably tens of thousands dead, billions of dollars of societal costs, and hundreds of thousands of ruined lives.


43 posted on 11/30/2005 3:06:18 PM PST by doug from upland (The troops will come home when the mission is complete)
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To: churchillbuff

It's the wrong clemency at the wrong time in the wrong state. Don't do it Arnie. Don't try and win Lib points. They will stab you in the back like they do EVERY SINGLE TIME


44 posted on 11/30/2005 3:06:51 PM PST by jw777
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To: Alia

Arnold should meet with Tookie. Keep the camera on Tookie. A few well-asked questions will have him foaming at the mouth in rage.


45 posted on 11/30/2005 3:08:47 PM PST by AmishDude (Your corporate slogan could be here! FReepmail me for my confiscatory rates.)
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To: churchillbuff
I was listening to my local radio talk show the other night and a caller was telling about the evidence, the witnesses, and the fact that Tookie didn't actually "write" these children's books.>p> Tookie claims he has "redeemed" himself over the years, but my question is this: How does someone redeem themself if they don't admit any guilt in the first place? Big conflict for Tookie....

Also: This caller into the radio show stated that once Tookie was imprisoned he planned an escape with another, or others, and part of the plan was to hijack a prison bus and kill the driver to escape.

When Tookie was arrested he had a big "killing" in the works.

Tookie.......don't let the door hitcha on the way out.

46 posted on 11/30/2005 3:16:18 PM PST by libertylass
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To: joebuck

Thanks, I was not looking for more information. I don't need to know about every murder on death row in CA or other states. And really it matters how the governor of the particular state sees these cases, not me.

I was just saying no matter what the facts, Arnold should make up his mind on the facts. Trying to placate Dims or the MSM never works for GOP office holders.


47 posted on 11/30/2005 3:19:13 PM PST by JLS
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To: doug from upland
"Hey, I am pro-choice on this. I'll be glad to let Tookie choose."

Tookie's victims received no appeal or clemency hearing. Tookie should only be asked which method he prefers for the sole purpose of using the other method.

48 posted on 11/30/2005 3:24:20 PM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum.)
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To: joebuck
I read the file. The guy is a real devoid. Arnold won't be giving this guy a break unless he's afraid that they will harm Arnold or his family for not letting the trash live.
49 posted on 11/30/2005 3:26:08 PM PST by isthisnickcool (America!)
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To: churchillbuff

What's the Vegas line on this? One might be able to make some serious dough on the Tookie vs Schwarzennedy bout.


50 posted on 11/30/2005 3:26:33 PM PST by Revolting cat! ("In the end, nothing explains anything.")
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