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Crips founder gets private clemency hearing (from Scharzenegger)
AP ^ | Nov 28 05 | David Kravetz

Posted on 11/30/2005 2:35:54 PM PST by churchillbuff

Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger said he would consider granting clemency to convicted killer Stanley Tookie Williams, the Crips gang co-founder who became an anti-gang activist while in prison.

The governor said Friday he would meet Dec. 8 in a private hearing at his Sacramento office with Williams' lawyers, Los Angeles County prosecutors and others involved.

Schwarzenegger, vested with constitutional authority to grant mercy and commute a death sentence to life without parole, is not legally obligated to hold a public or private hearing, and decides clemency requests on a "case-by-case basis," said his spokeswoman, Margita Thompson.

Williams, 51, faces death by lethal injection on Dec. 13 for murdering four people in 1979 — a Whittier convenience store clerk and three people at a Pico Rivera motel less than two weeks later. He denies his guilt, and has also asked the California Supreme Court to reopen his case, alleging shoddy forensics wrongly connected him to three of the murders.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; US: California
KEYWORDS: clemency; frytookie; tookie
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To: marty60
On Dec. 8th we will find out who the Girly-man is.
41 posted on 11/30/2005 3:03:09 PM PST by fish hawk (creatio ex nihilo)
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To: churchillbuff
murdering four people in 1979 ... shoddy forensics wrongly connected him to three of the murders.

OK, I've made up my mind. Give him a new trial for the three murders, after we execute him for the fourth. Fair enough?

42 posted on 11/30/2005 3:04:05 PM PST by Michael.SF. (Paris Hilton - Living proof that one need not be poor to be White Trash)
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To: RichRepublican

Because of him, there are probably tens of thousands dead, billions of dollars of societal costs, and hundreds of thousands of ruined lives.


43 posted on 11/30/2005 3:06:18 PM PST by doug from upland (The troops will come home when the mission is complete)
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To: churchillbuff

It's the wrong clemency at the wrong time in the wrong state. Don't do it Arnie. Don't try and win Lib points. They will stab you in the back like they do EVERY SINGLE TIME


44 posted on 11/30/2005 3:06:51 PM PST by jw777
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To: Alia

Arnold should meet with Tookie. Keep the camera on Tookie. A few well-asked questions will have him foaming at the mouth in rage.


45 posted on 11/30/2005 3:08:47 PM PST by AmishDude (Your corporate slogan could be here! FReepmail me for my confiscatory rates.)
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To: churchillbuff
I was listening to my local radio talk show the other night and a caller was telling about the evidence, the witnesses, and the fact that Tookie didn't actually "write" these children's books.>p> Tookie claims he has "redeemed" himself over the years, but my question is this: How does someone redeem themself if they don't admit any guilt in the first place? Big conflict for Tookie....

Also: This caller into the radio show stated that once Tookie was imprisoned he planned an escape with another, or others, and part of the plan was to hijack a prison bus and kill the driver to escape.

When Tookie was arrested he had a big "killing" in the works.

Tookie.......don't let the door hitcha on the way out.

46 posted on 11/30/2005 3:16:18 PM PST by libertylass
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To: joebuck

Thanks, I was not looking for more information. I don't need to know about every murder on death row in CA or other states. And really it matters how the governor of the particular state sees these cases, not me.

I was just saying no matter what the facts, Arnold should make up his mind on the facts. Trying to placate Dims or the MSM never works for GOP office holders.


47 posted on 11/30/2005 3:19:13 PM PST by JLS
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To: doug from upland
"Hey, I am pro-choice on this. I'll be glad to let Tookie choose."

Tookie's victims received no appeal or clemency hearing. Tookie should only be asked which method he prefers for the sole purpose of using the other method.

48 posted on 11/30/2005 3:24:20 PM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum.)
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To: joebuck
I read the file. The guy is a real devoid. Arnold won't be giving this guy a break unless he's afraid that they will harm Arnold or his family for not letting the trash live.
49 posted on 11/30/2005 3:26:08 PM PST by isthisnickcool (America!)
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To: churchillbuff

What's the Vegas line on this? One might be able to make some serious dough on the Tookie vs Schwarzennedy bout.


50 posted on 11/30/2005 3:26:33 PM PST by Revolting cat! ("In the end, nothing explains anything.")
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To: churchillbuff
What are the current odds that Ahnold grants clemency?

Based on what's goin on in Sacramento the past few days, I think a RINO in power would be a step up from what ever it is that Ahnold claims he is.
51 posted on 11/30/2005 3:26:58 PM PST by birbear (Admit it. you clicked on the "I have already previewed" button without actually previewing the post.)
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To: churchillbuff
The governor has a difficult decision to make. Hopefully the rantings of the MSM on the left or Web sites like this one on the right will not sway him. God help him to make a wise choice using all of the information available to him.
52 posted on 11/30/2005 3:31:22 PM PST by kublia khan (Absolute war brings total victory)
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To: isthisnickcool

Could you tell us a little about what is in the file you read please?


53 posted on 11/30/2005 3:32:56 PM PST by kublia khan (Absolute war brings total victory)
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To: doug from upland

I certainly hope you're right, Doug.


54 posted on 11/30/2005 3:33:02 PM PST by Brad’s Gramma (A-Lert! A-Lert! Leapfrog serves LOUSY beer!)
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To: Wiseghy

the prosecutor has a good web page that goes into detail about Mr. Williams. His behavior (including threatening jurors and a planned prison break that would have included mass murder) is extremely sociopathic.
he is still a gang member.
i don't think he is capable of remorse.


55 posted on 11/30/2005 3:36:12 PM PST by drhogan
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To: churchillbuff

http://www.govmail.ca.gov


56 posted on 11/30/2005 3:36:29 PM PST by ncountylee (Dead terrorists smell like victory)
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To: drhogan

I take it Tookie is not one of Hogan's Heroes!


57 posted on 11/30/2005 3:38:47 PM PST by Revolting cat! ("In the end, nothing explains anything.")
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To: libertylass

the plan involved killing everybody on the bus. he was going to blow it up with dynamite to cover up who had escaped.


58 posted on 11/30/2005 3:41:16 PM PST by drhogan
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To: kublia khan

if you look at the actual evidence, the decision is pretty clear-cut. It only makes logical sense to grant clemency in this case if you think all sociopathic, repeat murderers should get clemency.


59 posted on 11/30/2005 3:44:24 PM PST by drhogan
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To: All

So many folks so quick to jump the gun on this one!

I won't criticize Schwarzenegger until after he makes his decision & after I read his statement for his reasoning (I assume he'll issue one either way).


60 posted on 11/30/2005 3:51:13 PM PST by EdJay
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