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CA: Schwarzenegger names Dem chief of staff (many Republicans and Democrats caught off guard)
ap on Bakersfield Californian ^ | 11/30/05 | Tom Chorneau - ap

Posted on 11/30/2005 3:39:13 PM PST by NormsRevenge

SACRAMENTO, Calif. (AP) - Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger on Wednesday took the first step to shaking up his administration after his resounding special election failure, appointing a longtime Democratic activist as his chief of staff.

The move to replace Patricia Clarey had been widely expected since voters defeated all four of the governor's "year of reform" measures Nov. 8. Clary was campaign manager for the effort. But the announcement of state Public Utilities Commissioner Susan Kennedy as Clarey's replacement caught many Republicans and Democrats off guard.

Kennedy was Cabinet secretary to former Gov. Gray Davis, who was ousted in the 2003 recall election that brought Schwarzenegger to power. She also is a former director of an abortion rights group and one of the highest-profile gays in state politics, making her appointment a risky one for the Republican governor.

"She's a woman that is known as being a hardworking woman, dedicated, and is willing to work whatever it takes to get the job done," Schwarzenegger said at a news conference. "She's willing to set her Democratic philosophy aside and do the job and do my vision - to be able to work together with Democrats and Republicans."

Kennedy's appointment could help regain the support of Democrats and independents the governor lost over the last year, but it also jeopardizes his standing among conservatives, his only reliable supporters.

"This makes Schwarzenegger a man without a country," said GOP strategist Dave Gilliard, who helped run the campaign to recall Davis. "The Democrats will never accept him or embrace him, and now he's breaking with his base. I don't understand it."

Even some leading Democrats appeared puzzled by the appointment.

"Any move by the governor to embrace Democratic values is good news for the state," said Steve Maviglio, spokesman for Democratic Assembly Speaker Fabian Nunez. "However, it leaves many Democrats, as well as Republicans, wondering if he has any core values at all."

At Schwarzenegger's side Wednesday, Kennedy sought to downplay the partisan labels, seeing her appointment as a historic opportunity to end the political gridlock in Sacramento.

"I believe in this man, and I believe in what he's trying to do for this state and where he's trying to take California," she said. "I think a moderate Democrat and a moderate Republican - there is not a lot of light between us."

Kennedy said she voted for all four of Schwarzenegger's ballot measures this month. They would have capped state spending, changed the way legislative districts are drawn, reformed teacher tenure rules and restricted public employee unions in raising money for political purposes.

Clarey said in a letter sent Wednesday to Schwarzenegger that she would resign at the end of the year.

"It's been quite a ride," she said in the letter, which was released by the governor's staff. "While much remains to be done, I am gratified at the success we have realized."

Kennedy will join a Schwarzenegger inner circle that already contains Democrats in key positions. Among them are senior aide Bonnie Reiss, Cabinet Secretary Terry Tamminen and Daniel Zingale, another former Davis aide who now serves as chief of staff to first lady Maria Shriver.

Kennedy, appointed to the PUC in 2003, has served as executive director of the California Democratic Party and executive director of the California Abortion Rights Action League.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: calappointment; california; chiefofstaff; kennedy; names; schwarzenegger; susankennedy; watchfotoutthis
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1 posted on 11/30/2005 3:39:14 PM PST by NormsRevenge
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To: NormsRevenge

http://www.govmail.ca.gov


2 posted on 11/30/2005 3:40:08 PM PST by ncountylee (Dead terrorists smell like victory)
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To: ncountylee

Like we care any more. This place is a cesspool.


3 posted on 11/30/2005 3:40:33 PM PST by samadams2000 (Nothing fills the void of a passing hurricane better than government)
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Kennedy will join a Schwarzenegger inner circle that already contains Democrats in key positions. Among them are senior aide Bonnie Reiss, Cabinet Secretary Terry Tamminen and Daniel Zingale, another former Davis aide who now serves as chief of staff to first lady Maria Shriver.


4 posted on 11/30/2005 3:40:59 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Monthly Donor spoken Here. Go to ... https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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same Tom Chorneau article also posted on wire as

Schwarzenegger names Democrat chief of staff amid broader shakeup

and

Schwarzenegger replaces chief of staff with Democratic activist


5 posted on 11/30/2005 3:44:42 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Monthly Donor spoken Here. Go to ... https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: ncountylee

Arnold doesn't get it


6 posted on 11/30/2005 3:44:56 PM PST by Steven W.
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To: NormsRevenge

I am going to admit my ignorance here: how important is a governor's chief of staff?


7 posted on 11/30/2005 3:46:13 PM PST by Sols
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To: NormsRevenge

Arnie, Arnie, Arnie... What are you doing?

Think how crazy this is? This is like Karl Rove being replaced by Hillary.

What is it with Republicans that make them want to court their enemies? Dems are never going to "accept" Republicans no matter how nice they are to them.

To think I voted for this clown in the recall! Never again!


8 posted on 11/30/2005 3:48:32 PM PST by rom
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To: Sols
I am going to admit my ignorance here: how important is a governor's chief of staff?

The Chief of Staff of the President is called, "The man who runs the man who runs the country."
9 posted on 11/30/2005 3:49:36 PM PST by msnimje (Bob Woodward is the GRINCH who stole Fitzmas............Cindy Lou (sheehan) WHO?)
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To: NormsRevenge
New note from Arnold... " I won't be back!"
10 posted on 11/30/2005 3:50:37 PM PST by JDoutrider (Islam uses the same symbol I have on my outhouse door! Tell ya anything?)
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To: Sols

Probably more involved and in the know on the day to day happenings in the Capitol than anyone else, including the Gub.

Essentially acts as a clearinghouse for everything in and out of the Gub's office.


11 posted on 11/30/2005 3:51:42 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Monthly Donor spoken Here. Go to ... https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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article also posted on some sites as

Schwarzenegger shakes up staff


12 posted on 11/30/2005 3:57:54 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Monthly Donor spoken Here. Go to ... https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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This would mean that Chiefs of Staff to both the Gub and First Lady would be "former" gay activists.

Unions are not the only power brokers in the state Capitol nor the only one with an agenda.


13 posted on 11/30/2005 4:00:08 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Monthly Donor spoken Here. Go to ... https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: NormsRevenge

Don't blame me ... I voted for McClintock


14 posted on 11/30/2005 4:00:54 PM PST by clamper1797 (Proud member of the Tonkin Gulf Yacht Club VA-93 aboard the USS Midway CVA-41 1972-1973)
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To: NormsRevenge

Kalifornia - FUBAR


15 posted on 11/30/2005 4:02:58 PM PST by dennisw (You shouldn't let other people get your kicks for you - Bob Dylan)
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To: NormsRevenge; AuH2ORepublican; JohnnyZ; Clintonfatigued; Kuksool; EternalVigilance; BlackElk
"Steve Maviglio, spokesman for Democratic Assembly Speaker Fabian Nunez. "However, it leaves many Democrats, as well as Republicans, wondering if he has any core values at all.""

Is Ah-nold truly that anxious to lose reelection ? He continues to embrace those that opposed his recent reforms and spit in the face of his supporters. Can he even make an argument FOR reelection ? We're better off with a 'Rat and cut this dead weight loose.

16 posted on 11/30/2005 4:09:33 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj (Cheney X -- Destroying the Liberal Democrat Traitors By Any Means Necessary -- Ya Dig ? Sho 'Nuff.)
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To: dennisw

Not only has Arnie thrown in the towel, but I still have no idea who the Repubs are running in 2006 against Feinstein. I guess we will hand the RATS another election.

I. Just. Don't. Get. It.


17 posted on 11/30/2005 4:09:38 PM PST by BurbankErnie (Borders... Language... Culture)
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To: BurbankErnie

As soon as you understand how RINOs operate, you'll understand it all.

To all those Ah-noldtistas, from a McClintock supporter, WE WERE RIGHT.


18 posted on 11/30/2005 4:11:32 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj (Cheney X -- Destroying the Liberal Democrat Traitors By Any Means Necessary -- Ya Dig ? Sho 'Nuff.)
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To: Sols
how important is a governor's chief of staff?

In this case, irrelevant. Arnold is history (probably won't run for re election. If he does, he won't win) as is any republican candidate in the next gubernatorial election.

19 posted on 11/30/2005 4:18:03 PM PST by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: NormsRevenge

Gov. Arnold Schwarzengger and California Public Utilities Commissioner Susan Kennedy, walk to a news conference where he named her to be his new chief of staff in Sacramento, Calif., Wednesday, Nov. 30. 2005. Kennedy, a Democrat and cabinet secretary to former Gov. Gray Davis, will replace Schwarzenegger's former chief of staff Patricia Clarey. (AP Photo/Rich Pedroncelli)


20 posted on 11/30/2005 4:18:33 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Monthly Donor spoken Here. Go to ... https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: fieldmarshaldj
To all those Ah-noldtistas, from a McClintock supporter, WE WERE RIGHT.

I wouldn't go that far. I held my nose and voted for Arnold because I feared Bustamante would get more votes than McClintock. Who can say for sure if that was right? No one.

And I had no illusions about Arnold's being a true conservative.

But "even" I am disappointed. Arnold is making it very difficult not to conclude that we'd've been better off, at least in the medium and long (not short!) run, with Davis or BustaMecha -- in hopes that the voters would finally wake up. (But, again, no one can say for sure.)

21 posted on 11/30/2005 4:19:55 PM PST by pogo101
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Press Release
OFFICE OF THE GOVERNOR

GAAS:559:05
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
11/30/2005

Governor Schwarzenegger Appoints Susan Kennedy Chief of Staff
Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger today announced the appointment of Susan Kennedy as chief of staff.

"Susan is a hands-on, action-oriented person who gets things done. She is a leader with incredible institutional knowledge about state government and a deep understanding of the public policy process. We have had incredible accomplishments throughout my administration and I look forward to working with Susan to build upon that foundation and make California once again the golden dream by the sea."

"Pat has worked tirelessly to assemble an amazing team and to guide my staff over the past two years. She has been an incredible chief of staff and I want to thank her for her service and dedication to not only my administration, but also to the people of California."

Kennedy has served on the California Public Utilities Commission since 2003, where she focused on regulatory consistency and broadband, infrastructure investment and promoting economic development. In addition, she has been a member of the California Bay-Delta Authority, the statewide body responsible for overseeing the restoration of the San Francisco Bay Delta ecosystem to increase storage, promote efficiency and protect California's extensive levee system since 2003. Previously, Kennedy served as cabinet secretary and deputy chief of staff for Governor Gray Davis where she was principal liaison to the cabinet and state agencies, departments, boards and commissions. Prior to joining the Davis Administration, Kennedy served as communications director for U.S. Senator Dianne Feinstein.

"I am honored Governor Schwarzenegger has asked me to join him as he works to rebuild California," said Kennedy. "We have a tremendous opportunity to get past party lines and move California forward. I have come to know this man. I believe in him and where he wants to take this state. I look forward to using my experience and knowledge to work alongside the Governor to get the job done."

Ignoring party labels has been a hallmark of the Schwarzenegger administration. The Governor's cabinet and staff include more high-profile Republicans, Democrats and Independents than any administration in recent memory.

Kennedy, 45, of Marin County, attended San Francisco State University. This position does not require Senate confirmation and the compensation is $131,412. Kennedy is a Democrat. She will assume this position on January 1, 2006.
22 posted on 11/30/2005 4:26:40 PM PST by calcowgirl
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To: NormsRevenge

Here's my roundup on Mr. Kennedy

1972:  At age 12, was inspired by actress Jane Fonda's support of American Indian and free-speech causes and opposition to the Vietnam War.

1977:  Lived in Lancaster, Pa., within the evacuation zone of Three Mile Island.  Developed a distrust of the establishment

1979: Enrolls and subsequently drops out of Millersville State College in Pennsylvania "because she was partying too much."

1980:  Moved cross country to join Jane Fonda and Tom Hayden's "Campaign for Economic Democracy," a breeding ground for political training in campaigning, fundraising and field organizing, leading to a series of jobs and becoming one of the state Democratic Party's top field organizers.

198x-1991: Executive director of the California Abortion and Reproductive Rights Action League

1991-1994:  Executive director of the California Democratic Party, selected by then party chairman, Phil Angelides

1992:  Helped lead one of the biggest get-out-the-vote campaigns which put Feinstein in the Senate and helped put Bill Clinton in the presidency. 

1993: Political director for Kathleen Brown seeking office of California Governor.

1995 to 1998: Worked as communications director to Democratic U.S. Sen. Dianne Feinstein.

1995:  Begins program of recovery from alcohol addiction

1998:  Director of the California Democratic Party's Coordinated Campaign, a grass-roots campaign effort for 1998 election.

1998:  Appointed Cabinet secretary by Governor Gray Davis.  She was credited with managing the Democratic governor's initiatives on child support enforcement, energy conservation and health care, among other issues.  Reportedly, she promoted Gray Davis' energy plans in 2001, and issuance of $12 billion in bonds to purchase more power, warning legislators of "Armageddon."  She also acted as chief negotiator in budget discussions with legislators in 2001, angering many that the Governor did not participate more.  (We all know how those energy and budget matters turned out).

1999:  "Married" in a Maui commitment ceremony to lesbian partner Vicki Marti, a psychotherapist.  Democratic lobbyist and party operative Darius Anderson, her best friend, served as her "best man"

2001: Had an active role in approving a $96-million contract with Oracle Corp. to provide software that state managers did not want or need, an issue raised by state Sen. Tom McClintock during confirmation hearings for her 2003 PUC appointment.

2003:  Appointed to a six-year term on the Public Utilities Commission by Gray Davis, with an annual salary of $114,191.  Meanwhile, Gray Davis also appoints her domestic partner, Vicki Marti, to the California Medical Assistance Commission whose function it is to set hospital Medical rates--a plum job paying an annual salary of $99,000 and requiring only 2 meetings per month.

2005:  Reaches her senior year in college after 13 years of part time study.

 


23 posted on 11/30/2005 4:31:19 PM PST by calcowgirl
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To: pogo101; EternalVigilance; BlackElk; AuH2ORepublican; JohnnyZ; Clintonfatigued; NormsRevenge

I still believe that absent Ah-nold, McClintock would've beaten Bustamante... but, it's all moot now. At what point will we finally wake up to the fact that relying on RINOs (no, not Republicans that might be wrong on an issue or two, but outright LIBERALS) is self-defeating and highly destructive ? They don't win us seats in the long run, they don't advance the Conservative agenda, they don't MOVE us towards prosperity, they simply tear down everything we Conservatives hold dear and then tar and feather the party with THEIR failures AS LIBERALS which inexcusably gets linked with Conservative Republicanism.

I guess Pete Wilson wasn't a lesson enough in California. Some of us already knew better. The rest of us never learn.


24 posted on 11/30/2005 4:33:53 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj (Cheney X -- Destroying the Liberal Democrat Traitors By Any Means Necessary -- Ya Dig ? Sho 'Nuff.)
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To: NormsRevenge

I see the hand of Maria in this move.


25 posted on 11/30/2005 4:49:45 PM PST by Uncle Hal
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To: NormsRevenge

He's trying to court cross-over Democrat voters who supported him last time.


26 posted on 11/30/2005 4:53:51 PM PST by Clintonfatigued (Sam Alito Deserves To Be Confirmed)
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To: NormsRevenge

A fatal mistake. Wait until she quits a starts declaiming to the media that Arnold is an idiot. Or maybe she'll say she was sexually harassed.


27 posted on 11/30/2005 5:04:00 PM PST by popdonnelly
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To: NormsRevenge

Next move is to appoint Harriet Myers to the California Supreme Court...


28 posted on 11/30/2005 5:04:03 PM PST by MrShoop
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To: popdonnelly

Should read "and starts".


29 posted on 11/30/2005 5:05:05 PM PST by popdonnelly
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To: NormsRevenge
From the Los Angeles Times, November 30, 2005
"She embodies everything I have spent my life opposing. It obviously raises more problems and concerns about where he is headed next year," said Mike Spence, president of the California Republican Assembly. "There is a list of things now where it appears we would have been better off if Gray Davis were governor."

30 posted on 11/30/2005 5:12:09 PM PST by calcowgirl
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To: calcowgirl

Stinking RINO.


31 posted on 11/30/2005 5:15:57 PM PST by Knuckledragger
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To: NormsRevenge
"The Democrats will never accept him or embrace him, and now he's breaking with his base. I don't understand it."

Arnold doesn't have a base - he is essentially outside of the party process.

32 posted on 11/30/2005 5:35:36 PM PST by glorgau
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To: NormsRevenge

Nothing like bringing the fox into the henhouse..


33 posted on 11/30/2005 5:56:28 PM PST by ridesthemiles (ridesthemiles)
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To: NormsRevenge

If Steve Maviglio likes this move, it has to be bad for the Kalif taxpayers and the GOP.


34 posted on 11/30/2005 5:58:10 PM PST by ridesthemiles (ridesthemiles)
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To: clamper1797
Don't blame me ... I voted for McClintock

me too....

35 posted on 11/30/2005 5:59:46 PM PST by pollywog (Psalm 121;1 I Lift my eyes to the hills from whence cometh my help.)
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To: calcowgirl

Ya see any comment from Parsky or Doof yet 8-?


36 posted on 11/30/2005 6:01:16 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Monthly Donor spoken Here. Go to ... https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: NormsRevenge
POST-WWII ERA CALIFORNIA GOVERNORS

Knight Adminstration 1953-1959 Republican
Brown Sr. Adminstration 1959-1967 Democrat
Reagan Adminstration 1967-1975 Republican
Brown Jr. Adminstration 1975-1983 Democrat
Deukmejian Adminstration 1983-1991 Republican
Wilson Adminstration 1991-1999 Republican
Davis Adminstration 1999-2003 Democrat
Kennedy-Shiver Adminstration 2003-Present Democrat

37 posted on 11/30/2005 9:12:22 PM PST by BillyBoy (Find out the TRUTH about the Chicago Democrat Machine's "Best Friend" in the GOP... www.nolahood.com)
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To: BurbankErnie
>> Not only has Arnie thrown in the towel, but I still have no idea who the Repubs are running in 2006 against Feinstein. I guess we will hand the RATS another election. I. Just. Don't. Get. It. <<

RINOs "deliver" for nobody except the left. Electing a RINO govenror results in liberal Dems GAINING power. We tried to explain this to the Arnoldbots citing examples of how screwed up New Jersey, Illinois, and Tennessee are after the "benefits" of RINO rule. The Arnoldbots ignored history at their own peril.

Vote Republican IN NAME ONLY, get Republican IN NAME ONLY.

38 posted on 11/30/2005 9:15:08 PM PST by BillyBoy (Find out the TRUTH about the Chicago Democrat Machine's "Best Friend" in the GOP... www.nolahood.com)
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To: BurbankErnie
I. Just. Don't. Get. It.

The GOP has been moving away from its Conservative roots for quite some time, at all levels of government. If it hasn't made sense to you over the past 5-10 years where the GOP is headed, then I'm not sure it will ever make any sense.

I don't understand it anymore than you do, other than with elections being so close, they want to pull in as many democrats as possible. The ironic thing is, embracing democrats will drive those of us old-time Conservatives away (and it has been).

As far as what we can do, everytime I start to say "vote for a third party", I'm reminded by my inner voice or FReepers (or both), that I then help the democrats.
39 posted on 11/30/2005 9:27:52 PM PST by af_vet_rr
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To: NormsRevenge

("I think a moderate Democrat and a moderate Republican - there is not a lot of light between us." )

That far-left gay pro-abortion Democrat official has the gall to call herself moderate!!!


40 posted on 11/30/2005 9:31:07 PM PST by winner3000
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To: NormsRevenge
I don't accept it. Name me ONE prominent conservative Republican in Arnold's inner circle. Its all filled with Democrats and liberals. No way the base will vote next year for a Democrat Lite. Can you spell O-N-E-T-E-R-M-I-N-A-T-E-D? I can.

(Denny Crane: "I Don't Want To Socialize With A Pinko Liberal Democrat Commie.Say What You Like About Republicans. We Stick To Our Convictions. Even When We Know We're Dead Wrong.")

41 posted on 11/30/2005 9:36:19 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: NormsRevenge

What's their screennames? I've seen a lot of doofus-es, though.


42 posted on 11/30/2005 9:36:35 PM PST by calcowgirl
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To: fieldmarshaldj
The funny thing is this the first time in my life I have agreed with the Assembly Speaker on anything. Does Arnold have loyalty to his own party - any beliefs or core values? For I don't get why he would burn his bridges behind him. No one could be that stupid - except perhaps for a Hollywood actor oblivious to political reality.

(Denny Crane: "I Don't Want To Socialize With A Pinko Liberal Democrat Commie.Say What You Like About Republicans. We Stick To Our Convictions. Even When We Know We're Dead Wrong.")

43 posted on 11/30/2005 9:39:17 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop

Hey gsg! What happened to Boston Legal and Denny Crane last night? I had withdrawals!!! It was awful!!!


44 posted on 11/30/2005 9:39:59 PM PST by SierraWasp (The only thing that can save CA is making eastern CA the 51st state called Sierra Republic!!!)
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To: calcowgirl
DUH. If I known then where all this would lead two years ago, I would have stayed home in November 2003. The joke is we replaced Gray Davis with... Gray Davis! So much for reform in California. Its as as dead as a dodo along with the moribound CAGOP.

(Denny Crane: "I Don't Want To Socialize With A Pinko Liberal Democrat Commie.Say What You Like About Republicans. We Stick To Our Convictions. Even When We Know We're Dead Wrong.")

45 posted on 11/30/2005 9:42:29 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: NormsRevenge
Y'know... He's tryin a Clintonesque "Triangulation" strategery!!! He thinks he and this so-called woman can elevate themselves above any lowly partisan politics and pretend to be gods floating in the firmament working their will on us mere Republican and Democrat/Conservative and Liberal mortals!!!

It just dawned on me while reading:"At Schwarzenegger's side Wednesday, Kennedy sought to downplay the partisan labels, seeing her appointment as a historic opportunity to end the political gridlock in Sacramento."

46 posted on 11/30/2005 9:46:03 PM PST by SierraWasp (The only thing that can save CA is making eastern CA the 51st state called Sierra Republic!!!)
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To: glorgau
He never had one. He got elected in 2003 as a fluke because he was able to bypass the state GOP primary and base voters are conservatives. Our RINO party leadership doesn't represent the views of the Republican rank and file in California. With this appointment, what makes any one think they care about what we think? I don't think people are going to go out to get this guy re-elected next year. Between two liberals, its not really much of a contest.

(Denny Crane: "I Don't Want To Socialize With A Pinko Liberal Democrat Commie.Say What You Like About Republicans. We Stick To Our Convictions. Even When We Know We're Dead Wrong.")

47 posted on 11/30/2005 9:46:34 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: BillyBoy

Don't forget Taxachusetts. That is the state that is the penultimate end result of the liberal RINO reign of terror. The remaining party officials there can caucus in an f'ing phone booth. Not even the 'Rats could harm us that badly.


48 posted on 11/30/2005 9:47:41 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj (Cheney X -- Destroying the Liberal Democrat Traitors By Any Means Necessary -- Ya Dig ? Sho 'Nuff.)
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To: goldstategop

The more logical it becomes over time that Ah-nold's mission was to destroy some of the last vestiges of the Republican party in California. He's doing a bang-up job.


49 posted on 11/30/2005 9:49:38 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj (Cheney X -- Destroying the Liberal Democrat Traitors By Any Means Necessary -- Ya Dig ? Sho 'Nuff.)
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To: BillyBoy
"Kennedy-Shiver Adminstration"

Yeah... That's enough ta make ya shiver, alright!!!

50 posted on 11/30/2005 9:50:35 PM PST by SierraWasp (The only thing that can save CA is making eastern CA the 51st state called Sierra Republic!!!)
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