Skip to comments.Islamofascists Hunting down Christians who Debate Moslems on Internet
Posted on 12/01/2005 1:16:24 AM PST by Jacksonville Patriot
In late January, I uncovered a password-protected Arabic-language website, Barsomyat.com, that was frequented by Middle Eastern Muslims, predominantly Egyptians. The purpose of Barsomyat.com was to systematically track Christians who were active in religious debates against Muslims on the internet chat service PalTalk. Barsomyat featured pictures of these Christians (some of which were obviously obtained by hacking into the Christians' computers) along with death threats and attempts to track down the subjects' physical addresses. Even Barsomyat.com's banner showed the website's intentions toward Christians, as it pictured a sheep--obviously intended to represent Christianity--getting its throat slit.
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Oh my God! Any thing will incite these vermin to kill.
The fact that the cowards can't take on anyone in debate marks them as weak in their arguments, and they know it.
The fact that these cowards are resorting to death threats against those who would debate them marks them as potential terrorist material. And WE know it.
We ALL know who'll be the first to defend these cowards.
Be a great way to set up a 'honeypot'
to nab some of these creeps.
"The Final Crusade has commenced - Let's get it on!"
hey! why don't our hot shot hackers hack into to all these
Islamofascist websites and start threatening them like this ?
I can think of all kinds of awful things to taunt them with ;^)
but the jackals in black robes would say you tried to entrap them. we have more than one set of enemies, most of our enemies are called americans too.
Hi Jacksonville Patriot.
Here's the correct title for the article under discussion:
"The Freedoms We Fight For
The unheralded Islamist assault on free speech."
by Daveed Gartenstein-Ross
11/28/2005 12:00:00 AM
Didn't the father of the slaughtered Coptic Christian family in NJ avidly visit PalTalk to debate the Muslims? Sounds like some of them do back up their threats.
The UN must not get their filthy fingers on the internet. Internet ridicule is a powerful tool against the Death Cultists.
Maybe we could convince Ted Nugent to post his home address on this website. Then sit back and watch... Ted eats EVERYTHING he kills.
stepping back in time...
ON THE NET:
"Christians on PalTalk Tracked by Radical Islamic Web Site (Armanious family)"
jihadwatch ^ | January 31, 2005 | jihadwatch
Posted on 01/31/2005 10:01:36 AM PST by dennisw
January 31, 2005
I wonder when we will awaken completely to what we are facing?
LAST MONTH, Islamic radicals threatened to kill actor and Muslim convert Omar Sharif. Sharif had recently played St. Peter in an Italian TV film and spoke highly of the role, saying that he "seemed to hear voices" during filming and that "it will be difficult for me to play other roles from now on." Although Sharif's comments seem innocuous, they prompted a death threat. According to the Adnkronos International news agency, a message on a web forum which has been used by al Qaeda in the past linked to another website that threatened Sharif's life. The website containing the threat said, "Omar Sharif has stated that he has embraced the crusader idolatry. He is a crusader who is offending Islam and Muslims and receiving applause from the Italian people. I give you this advice, brothers, you must kill him."
This incident is relatively minor in the grand scheme of the war against radical Islam, but telling. It provides another glimpse into the Islamists' single-minded fanaticism and their willingness to punish any type of ideological non-conformity.
THE THREAT AGAINST Sharif largely fell below the media's radar. Indeed, aside from a few high profile examples--such as the fatwa directed at Salman Rushdie after he published The Satanic Verses and last year's slaying of Dutch filmmaker Theo van Gogh--the mainstream media has given little coverage to the widespread Islamist assault against free speech.
While the public has not forgotten the Rushdie fatwa, our collective memory of the incident's seriousness has faded. In fact, a number of physical attacks connected with the fatwa occurred in the West. The Wikipedia entry on Salman Rushdie explains:
At the University of California at Berkeley, bookstores carrying [The Satanic Verses] were firebombed. . . . Muslim communities throughout the world held public rallies in which copies of the book were burned. In 1991, Rushdie's Japanese translator, Hitoshi Igarashi, was stabbed and killed in Tokyo, and his Italian translator was beaten and stabbed in Milan. In 1993, Rushdie's Norwegian publisher William Nygaard was shot and severely injured in an attack outside his house in Oslo. Thirty-seven guests died when their hotel in Sivas, Turkey was burnt down by locals protesting against Aziz Nesin, Rushdie's Turkish translator.The van Gogh murder further extended this battle against free speech. Shortly before his death, van Gogh directed a film called Submission, which was designed to dramatize the mistreatment of women born into Muslim families. In response, Islamic radical Mohammed Bouyeri murdered van Gogh on November 2, 2004, shooting him six times before slitting van Gogh's throat with a kitchen knife and then using the knife to impale a five-page note to his chest.
While the Rushdie and van Gogh incidents are the two most prominent attacks on critics of Islam in the last two decades, they are only part of a broader trend. The note that Bouyeri gruesomely tacked to Theo van Gogh's chest also threatened Ayaan Hirsi Ali, a Dutch MP from a Somali Muslim background. By that time, however, death threats were old hat to Hirsi Ali. She has said in an interview that she was living underground just weeks before her 2003 election to the Dutch parliament because of comments she had made in a televised debate.
According to Hirsi Ali, she was provoked during that debate and ended up blurting out, "It's my religion, and my culture, and I can call it backward if I want." But the real problem, insofar as the radical Muslims who threatened Hirsi Ali were concerned, wasn't her criticism of Islam, but her admission that she had left the faith. Many Muslims believe that apostasy from Islam is punishable by death, and the threats that Hirsi Ali received drove her into hiding.
A little over two months after van Gogh's murder, Islamic extremists struck again in the Netherlands. In January 2005, the Moroccan-Dutch painter Rachid Ben Ali was forced into hiding after one of his shows featured satirical work critical of Islamic militants' violence. The combination of this and the van Gogh murder caused even the New York Times to ask, "Can angry young Muslims dictate what is and is not acceptable in the traditionally open-minded world of Dutch arts? In the last few weeks, it appears the answer has been yes."
Sadly, the paper also reported that in response to this effort to impose an agenda by brute force, "[a] few people have quietly asked if self-censorship might be acceptable to keep the social peace."
MOVING BEYOND THE NETHERLANDS, many others living in the West have been threatened for speech that allegedly offends Islam. In 2001, author Khalid Durán produced a book called Children of Abraham: An Introduction to Islam for Jews for the American Jewish Committee. Shortly before the book's publication, the Council on American-Islamic Relations issued two press releases insulting Durán and demanding that his book be withheld until a group of CAIR-approved academics could review it "for stereotypical or inaccurate content."
Daniel Pipes reported that a number of Islamic publications followed CAIR's lead by attacking Durán's book, with the charges against the volume escalating with each retelling. Thus, Cairo's Al-Wafd condemned Durán for "spread[ing] anti-Muslim propaganda" and for his "distortions of Islamic concepts." By early June 2001, 'Abd al-Mun'im Abu Zant, a powerful Islamist leader in Jordan, declared that Durán "should be regarded as an apostate" and called for a fatwa that "religiously condones Durán's death." (CAIR, incidentally, did not condemn Abu Zant for seeking this fatwa. Instead, it brazenly criticized the American Jewish Committee for publicizing Abu Zant's remarks.)
Both the Rushdie affair and the threats against Durán show how technology has indeed made the world smaller: They are examples of Middle Eastern Muslims attempting to stifle the speech of those who live in the West. The internet has hastened such efforts. In late January, I uncovered a password-protected Arabic-language website, Barsomyat.com, that was frequented by Middle Eastern Muslims, predominantly Egyptians. The purpose of Barsomyat.com was to systematically track Christians who were active in religious debates against Muslims on the internet chat service PalTalk. Barsomyat featured pictures of these Christians (some of which were obviously obtained by hacking into the Christians' computers) along with death threats and attempts to track down the subjects' physical addresses. Even Barsomyat.com's banner showed the website's intentions toward Christians, as it pictured a sheep--obviously intended to represent Christianity--getting its throat slit.
NOT SURPRISINGLY, THE ISLAMIST attack on free speech is even more successful outside of the West. There are numerous examples of people in the Middle East and elsewhere being silenced or seriously threatened because of allegedly offensive speech. In 2002, for example, the governor of Nigeria's Zamfara state issued a fatwa calling for the death of journalist Isioma Daniel after she suggested that, had Prophet Muhammad been alive, he may have wanted to marry one of the beauty queens at the 2002 Miss World pageant. After Daniel's article, riots by Muslim youths left more than 100 dead and 500 injured, and the pageant's organizers were forced to move it out of Nigeria. Daniel appears to be living in hiding to this day.
Another example is Bangladeshi writer Taslima Nasreen, who had a fatwa issued against her in 1993 after the publication of her novel Lajja (Shame), which depicted the persecution of Bangladesh's Hindu minority. The Hindustan Times recently reported that Nasreen "had to leave the country overnight to save her life and his been on [the] run since then."
UNFORTUNATELY, WE IN THE WEST haven't always been vigilant about standing behind speech rights. Too often, when Islamists threaten free expression, some Westerners clamor to make excuses for them. In 1997, for example, Salman Rushdie and novelist John le Carré had a high-profile feud in the letters section of the Guardian. In the course of the feud, le Carré said that Rushdie bore the responsibility for the bounty on his head because "there is no law in life or nature that says that great religions may be insulted with impunity."
Beyond the apologists, Western legal systems are often confused about the intersection of free expression and religion. Religious vilification laws, for example, are counterproductive because they signal that the slander of a religion can be punishable by law.
Standing up for free speech in the face of religious fanaticism should be automatic for anybody who understands the classical liberal principles upon which Western society was built. Unfortunately, it seems that many Westerners either fail to understand these principles, or else fail to grasp the reality of the threat. Ultimately, it is Salman Rushdie's response to John le Carré that encapsulates the consequences of not recognizing the current Islamist attack on free speech: "John le Carré is right to say that free speech isn't an absolute. We have the freedoms we fight for, and we lose those we don't defend."
Religion of Peace ping.
Besides being a Christian supporter of Israel, I have been named an Honorary Jew by no fewer than four consecutive Rabbis of the local Temple.
"Come get some..."
I kinda like being called a Crusader.
I can't get the site to come up.
Anyone else try it?
I got a google screen shot or cache page but not the site itself.
What is the significance of these links?
I got it to come up. It is a great article for critical thinking adults. Perhaps it is just swamped now.
I majored in history with a focus in medieval & Byzantine and did a thesis on Raymond of Toulouse (of the 1st Crusade). Doesn't bother me much either.
The funny thing about the Islamacists constantly referring to westerners as "crusaders" is that medieval Arabic had no such word, so the Turks and Arabs simply called all the crusaders "Franks" (i.e., French).
This is astounding...no it's stunning... it's leaving me flailing for a word.
So, Mr. Gartenstein-Ross has proof of this from the web site Barsomyat.com and the press has yet to make a peep about it. Paging GMA, CNN, FNC. For all the cracks made about bloggers perhaps someone could give us the heads up our lives are being threatened?
I have always admired Rushdie's writings and now he has more reason to make me a fan.
"We have the freedoms we fight for, and we lose those we don't defend." - Rushdie
"Islamofascists Hunting down Christians who Debate Moslems on Internet"
The trouble is that it should be the other way round.
Islam must be destroyed. http://www.faithfreedom.org/
Faith Freedom International
Islamic terrorism is inspired by Islamic teachings. We can never get rid of Islamic terrorism unless we defeat the ideology behind it and that is Islam itself. Islam induces hate backed by lies. Muhammad was a terrorist by his own admission. All Muslims, to the extent that they follow him, are terrorists. Those Muslims who are not terrorists are ignorant of Islam and are not good Muslims. Fortunately they are the majority. We need to rescue them. If you are a good human being, you are not a Muslim. Read this site and if you can't prove me wrong, which you certainly can't, leave this deceitful cult of hate and terror and join mankind. Don't be part of the Umma. Umma is fascism. It is divisive. It induces the hatred of others. Be part of humanity instead. Your ignorance is not an excuse. Pull your head out of the sand and face the truth, like we did.
Faith Freedom International is a grassroots worldwide movement of ex-Muslims and all those who are concerned about the rise of the Islamic threat. We want to bring humanity together, not by introducing yet another doctrine, which always ends up dividing mankind more, but by eliminating the doctrines that divide us. We want to abolish this evil 'Muslim vs. Kafir" dichotomy. Mankind is one family. Don't let narcissist men like Hitler and Muhammad sunder us with their big lies. Don't become the victim of the "divide and rule" policy of a psychopath.
Faith Freedom stands for freedom of faith. We are against Hate, not Faith. We revere human rights not human beliefs. We endeavor to be factually correct, not politically correct.
Do your part! Let this message out. Let us eradicate Islam and bring mankind together - the way God intended. Islam is the cancer of humanity. We can get rid of it. There is nothing we humans can't do. Mountains move aside to make way for those who are determined.
Has there been any rumblings in Jax by those few thousand Bosnians that moved into town?
If only more of us could read and write Arabic (I can't), we could find the ones who are here in the US.
I wonder how that midwestern housewife taught herself arabic. I can't remember her details, but I saw her story on television.
Apparently, the mohammedens REALLY want to off her, too. IIRC she infiltrates their websites, gathers incriminating evidence, then turns the whole thing over to the FBI.
It would seem using the arabic language is their primary security mechanism.
I am personally familier with this. This is a real issue. I bet my picture is on that site.
Kind of makes you re-think last January's murder of the Coptic family in Jersey City, doesn't it? It seemed to me that the powers that be wanted the whole situation quieted down real quick...
Feds eye Islamic Web site in Jersey City family slaying Some great responses by Teaxas Cowboy...
THEY will come to ME?
The mind boggles at the possibilities - but aside from the obvious ones, we could all put photos and addresses of prominent liberals on deliberately unsecured computers, then go online and pick a fight.
Hebrew is right next door to Arabic, linguistically speaking.
Problem is they Hebrew speakers don't get hired because Moslem Arabic speakers at the CIA (or State Department) won't work with them. This came out after 9/11 when a Jewish group tried to offer their services and were turned down. I'll try to get a cite on this, but it's a busy day and I may not have enough time.
Here's a link:
FrontPage magazine.com :: Jews Need Not Apply to Fight Terror by Paul Sperry
There. Fixed it.
I hope you practice good personal security habits.
Gives real meaning to the tagline of a FReeper whose name I can't recall right now that says you should be nice, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet ;o)
Up to a point I do.
I used multiple proxyservers (among other things), running from one proxy thru another. Makes any attempt to read the info on your computer, trace, ping, or traceroute, all that much more difficult.
And yes, it would appear that using Arabic is one of their primary security mechanisms. In most cities there are language classes taught at all hours. I was enrolled in an after-work Russian class for 4 semesters, I remember that almost no one was taking Arabic.
You dont always need Arabic... there were several nice English language ones. Here's a tip. When you find a nice jihadi type running his mouth off, google his name and see what other forums or chat sites he's on. Check out those forums too. One nice advantage of all those 'slamic names that they spell in 1001 unique combinations.
Yup, they've been onto that for ages... some 'slamic forums seem to have more of us "filthy kuffar" pretending to be "believers" than real muslims. That's why many of them have become closed forums now. The distrust and paranoia is still rampant tho, but it serves the same ultimate purpose if they sense they are watched... it causes havoc with jihadi recruitment, and reduces the effectiveness of the sites.