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Poll: Most doubt plan for Iraq victory
CNN ^ | November 30, 2005

Posted on 12/01/2005 2:01:15 AM PST by jmc1969

As President Bush launched a new effort Wednesday to gain public support for the Iraq war, a new poll found most Americans do not believe he has a plan that will achieve victory.

Just 35 percent wanted to set a specific timetable for their exit, as some critics of the war have suggested.

Among poll respondents, 55 percent said they did not believe Bush has a plan that will achieve victory for the United States in Iraq; 41 percent thought he did.

Asked about Bush's handling of the Iraq war, 54 percent said it was poor, while 44 percent thought he was doing a good job.

Asked if the war will make the United States safer from terrorism in the long run, 48 percent said yes and 43 percent no, within the poll's sampling error.

(Excerpt) Read more at cnn.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News
KEYWORDS: cnn; gwot; iraq; iraqifreedom; lamestreammedia; liberalmedia; lmsm; msm; pollsoniraq; presidentbush; victorystrategy; wot
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These numbers are actually quite good for us. They clearly show the US public wants to win the war and doesn't want to cut and run.
1 posted on 12/01/2005 2:01:16 AM PST by jmc1969
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To: jmc1969

Who is this guy "Most"?


2 posted on 12/01/2005 2:15:58 AM PST by NRA1995 (Jesus is the reason for the season)
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To: jmc1969
Yes, I noticed that also. CNN is working very hard to spin this negatively. I hope the President engages in a dialog with the American people now. He has an actively hostile, immature, unprofessional media to content with...the good news is that the American people despise the media. Notice we never see their poll numbers.
3 posted on 12/01/2005 2:16:09 AM PST by Patriot from Philly
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To: jmc1969


Notice the following in CNN's article:


"The poll conducted Wednesday does not directly reflect how Americans are reacting to Bush's speech, because only 10 percent of the 606 adult Americans polled had seen it live and two-thirds had not even heard or read news coverage about it."


4 posted on 12/01/2005 2:18:15 AM PST by RTINSC (What, Me Worry?..My company offers French benefits...)
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To: jmc1969

And if there is a slight majority who have doubts, its because the media has worked very hard to do that. The fact that the numbers are so close means that their attacks, while having some success, aren't as effective as they wish.


5 posted on 12/01/2005 2:20:15 AM PST by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: jmc1969

Man they can spit out those polls.


6 posted on 12/01/2005 2:22:35 AM PST by NapkinUser ("Our troops have become the enemy." -Representative John P. Murtha, modern day Benedict Arnold.)
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To: jmc1969

Polls by the crooked leftist media are just propaganda tools. Just the news they wish they could report.


7 posted on 12/01/2005 2:26:14 AM PST by dsc
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To: jmc1969

Poll: Most doubt CNN's credibility


8 posted on 12/01/2005 2:26:38 AM PST by Schnucki
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To: NRA1995

I think Most is a flaming lieburral.


9 posted on 12/01/2005 2:32:30 AM PST by Past Your Eyes (Some people are too stupid to be ashamed.)
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To: jmc1969

didn't everybody just notice the big black X that flashed on the screen?


10 posted on 12/01/2005 2:54:18 AM PST by JohnLongIsland
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To: jmc1969
If bill clinton was still president a poll would be very significant.

With President Bush as commander-in-chief what the commanders' report from the field is what matters most.

11 posted on 12/01/2005 2:56:53 AM PST by ajolympian2004
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To: jmc1969

A much more accurate poll, TV viewer ratings, shows that a vast majority of the American public don't watch CNN, let alone believe their polls.


12 posted on 12/01/2005 2:58:03 AM PST by Brad from Tennessee (Anything a politician gives you he has first stolen from you)
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To: JohnLongIsland
didn't everybody just notice the big black X that flashed on the screen?

You are right... there it is!


13 posted on 12/01/2005 2:58:57 AM PST by ajolympian2004
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To: Schnucki

***Poll: Most doubt CNN's credibility***

Especially after CNN had Murtha rebut the President's speech IMMEDIATELY after the re-play at 8 p.m. last evening.


14 posted on 12/01/2005 3:01:47 AM PST by kitkat (Democrat/Socialist/Communist.= Hillary the RED)
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To: jmc1969

For the past several years, I have started going to the web for my news. I might here something on "legecy" media, but I always go to the internet so I can get a wider range of views of the story. In the last couple weeks I can't get anything but the same garbage from all the typical portals I have used like google or msnbc. I think the liberals are trying to splatter their message everywhere so you can't find the real facts. In other words, if you can't beat them buy them out. It has made me begin to wonder if I am the only one who can see the obvious. Do "most" people think we will be safe by wishing it so? I would sleep easier if I knew my neighbors weren't the spineless slugs the media claims them to be. Man, I'm tired


15 posted on 12/01/2005 3:03:34 AM PST by Zyngre
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To: Zyngre
Man, I'm tired

Get some rest. Being a pajamahadeen is hard work!

Welcome to FreeRepublic.

16 posted on 12/01/2005 3:08:22 AM PST by facedown (Armed in the Heartland)
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To: NRA1995

Maybe it's just another Alan Smithee that CNN made up.


17 posted on 12/01/2005 3:22:48 AM PST by Wiz
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To: Schnucki

I Agree about not trusting CNN. They have not given us any reason to trust them along with the other MSM.


18 posted on 12/01/2005 3:30:48 AM PST by Agdistis
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To: Knitting A Conundrum

My journalism teacher always told me that in all polls negative, add 10% to the positive side and that will more accurately reflect the poll.

He was the only Conservative professor I ever met. His favorite line? "Krugman is a Marxist hack."


19 posted on 12/01/2005 3:34:07 AM PST by EQAndyBuzz (Liberal Talking Point - Bush = Hitler ... Republican Talking Point - Let the Liberals Talk)
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To: Brad from Tennessee

I thought an even MORE accurate poll was one conducted in early November, 2004


20 posted on 12/01/2005 3:37:15 AM PST by RangerM (Perhaps he was comfortable within his skin)
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To: jmc1969
"CNN poll says sun will come up tomorrow".
I'm off to Walmart to buy latern batteries cause I don't believe it.
21 posted on 12/01/2005 3:46:24 AM PST by grobdriver (Let the embeds check the bodies!)
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To: jmc1969

This is not like WWII where a small group of government officials surrender, and it's all over. Iraq is just a tiny spoke in the wheel, of millions of brainwashed zombie killers all over the world.


22 posted on 12/01/2005 3:59:39 AM PST by tkathy (Ban the headscarf. (All religious headdress). The effect will creat a huge domino effect..)
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To: NRA1995
Who is this guy "Most"?

He played Ralph Mouth on Happy Days. Hasn't been seen since.

23 posted on 12/01/2005 4:00:55 AM PST by Go Gordon
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To: jmc1969

I don't know if I can quote the part about how the poll was conducted, see the 5th paragraph, but that bit bascially tells you that their poll's a crock.


24 posted on 12/01/2005 4:02:09 AM PST by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: mewzilla
...The poll conducted Wednesday does not directly reflect how Americans are reacting to Bush's speech...

Gee, ya THINK, CNN?!

25 posted on 12/01/2005 4:03:55 AM PST by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: Zyngre

Check our Bill Roggio over at Threats Watch:

http://threatswatch.org/

Up until Roggio went to Iraq he was posting at The Fourth Rail:

http://billroggio.com/

His analysis is a good antidote to the extreme negativism of the MSM.


26 posted on 12/01/2005 4:08:37 AM PST by Cap Huff
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To: jmc1969
"Just 35 percent wanted to set a specific timetable for their exit"

The American public's plan is the Bush plan. And what happened to the poll one week ago that said 55% believe Bush will succeed in stabilizing Iraq?

My favorite polls are the ones that show everyone supported the war when we got in. Luckily for the Nation, Bush doiesn't have the luxury of changing his mind every month, as does the guy on the street. Seems to me the whole nation bears some moral responsibility for a war they wanted.

27 posted on 12/01/2005 4:36:49 AM PST by Williams
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To: NapkinUser
a new poll found

Ok, I'll bite....WHAT poll?

28 posted on 12/01/2005 5:08:52 AM PST by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: Brad from Tennessee

Right! People don't trust pollsters, or the media. Remember the "exit pollsters" last November, who said Kerry would win? Instead, Bush painted the map of the U.S. red. Eisenhower was right about the "silent majority". We know that victory over the terrorists is the only acceptable outcome, and we know that Iraq is a huge success for President Bush and America.


29 posted on 12/01/2005 5:36:31 AM PST by pleikumud
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To: jmc1969

The President is winning the argument even in a slanted CNN poll. LOL

nearly six in 10 Americans said U.S. troops should not be withdrawn from Iraq until certain goals are achieved.

This has been one of the arguments he's made the last few weeks.

Just 35 percent wanted to set a specific timetable for their exit, as some critics of the war have suggested.

Another argument won.

606 adult Americans polled

Most good polls use a larger sample.

Those polled were split over whether they think a democratic government can be established in Iraq that won't be overthrown, with 47 percent saying that was likely and 49 percent saying it was not.

So the Dems have no advantage there.

Asked if the war will make the United States safer from terrorism in the long run, 48 percent said yes and 43 percent no, within the poll's sampling error.

BAM. Dems lose here as well.

The President's next offensive is pointing out he has a plan, and detailing the sucess of the Iraqi's. I suspect a few weeks from now those numbers will be different as well.

As this biased sample tells me is that the President is making progress.


30 posted on 12/01/2005 5:40:13 AM PST by Soul Seeker (Mr. President: It is now time to turn over the money changers' tables.)
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To: jmc1969

The informed, the rational and mature, no longer participate in polls. Guess who the pollsters are defining as "most Americans"?


31 posted on 12/01/2005 5:42:52 AM PST by F.J. Mitchell (Okay, bring our troops home. But don't feign suprise when the terrorists tag along.)
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To: jmc1969
It's getting pretty bad when even a Frenchmen understands the negative effect of pulling out of Iraq unwisely while CNN and the other French counterparts here in the U.S. don't.

FRENCH DOVE TURNS HAWK ON PULLOUT

http://www.nypost.com/news/worldnews/58663.htm

November 30, 2005 -- PARIS — French Prime Minister Dominique de Villepin, one of the harshest critics of the U.S.-led liberation of Iraq, yesterday said Washington should not pull out troops without regard to regional security.
32 posted on 12/01/2005 5:49:11 AM PST by TheForceOfOne
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To: dsc

"Polls by the crooked leftist media are just propaganda tools. Just the news they wish they could report."


ALL THE NEWS THEY WISH...TO PRINT.


33 posted on 12/01/2005 5:52:24 AM PST by The Spirit Of Allegiance (SAVE THE BRAINFOREST! Boycott the RED Dead Tree Media & NUKE the DNC Class Action Temper Tantrum!)
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To: NRA1995
Poll: Most who watched the speech think differently.

CNN sux.

34 posted on 12/01/2005 6:28:19 AM PST by SoFloFreeper
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To: Schnucki
You said it. Allow me to suggest a minor change.

Poll: Most doubt CNN 's credibility
35 posted on 12/01/2005 6:58:07 AM PST by Milhous (Sarcasm - the last refuge of an empty mind.)
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To: Patriot from Philly
I hope the President engages in a dialog with the American people now

He's already trying, but the MSM spins what he says to fit into the DNC agenda's template.

For example, my Oregonian this morning has the following headline in 1" letters - "Bush Resists Timetable For Iraq: Policy - Responding to mounting pressure, the president provides a glimpse of his strategy for withdrawal."

How can he have an honest dialog with America when the messengers distort what he is saying?

36 posted on 12/01/2005 7:05:44 AM PST by Carling (http://www.marriedadults.com/howarddeanscreamaudio141jq.mp3)
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To: jmc1969

And 90% couldn't locate Iraq on a map. The MSM loves to make news with these polls and make them sound so authoritative. However, you never hear them tout a poll that says prayer ought to be allowed in schools or some other majority public opinion that flys in the face of liberal orthodoxy.


37 posted on 12/01/2005 7:09:00 AM PST by kabar
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To: Zyngre
For the past several years, I have started going to the web for my news.

I might here something on "legecy" media, but I always go to the internet so I can get a wider range of views of the story.


An Olds Media story seems like a rough draft until enough FRiendly followups accrete to show me different takes on the topic.

In the last couple weeks I can't get anything but the same garbage from all the typical portals I have used like google or msnbc.

google news seems useful as a research tool for gathering the collective leftist spin on any given event.
38 posted on 12/01/2005 7:12:52 AM PST by Milhous (Sarcasm - the last refuge of an empty mind.)
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To: jmc1969

Uhh, we've already achieved victory in Iraq. Saddam is out of power, and they've held free elections.


39 posted on 12/01/2005 7:15:57 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: Patriot from Philly

Tuned into CBS news last night to see how they spun the speech. Thoroughly negatively of course...then they went to a piece that dumped on the Iraqis commando units...followed up by the shocking news that our military was placing articlesin Iraqi papers for a fee. What a load of crap...Bush must have the patience of Lincoln (although Lincoln did incarcerate a few politicians during the late unpleasantness).


40 posted on 12/01/2005 7:15:58 AM PST by dogcaller
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To: Patriot from Philly
I hope the President engages in a dialog with the American people now.

Yes. He should be well rested after taking vacation for the entire first year of his second term.

41 posted on 12/01/2005 7:19:59 AM PST by Mad_Tom_Rackham (De gustibus non est disputandum.)
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To: pleikumud
Pardon my pedantic post. :) (Wiki warning.)

"And so tonight—to you, the great silent majority of my fellow Americans—I ask for your support."

Richard M. Nixon, November 3, 1969

42 posted on 12/01/2005 7:21:54 AM PST by Milhous (Sarcasm - the last refuge of an empty mind.)
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To: jmc1969

This is idiotic. The MSM and their fellow Democrats are turning the public into a bunch of defeatists. We're not fighting Soviet hoardes here, people. Israel has survived 40 years of terrorist attacks. We're fighting a small group of nutcases with extremely limited resources.


43 posted on 12/01/2005 7:43:12 AM PST by popdonnelly
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To: popdonnelly

This is a case of the MSM (CNX) hurrying to issue a poll before the public has a chance to read or even hear about the plan in written form.


44 posted on 12/01/2005 7:45:20 AM PST by stocksthatgoup (Polls = Proof that when the MSM want your opinion it will give it to you.)
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To: jmc1969
All this poll means is that Americans want President Bush to

stay the course!

45 posted on 12/01/2005 7:47:02 AM PST by MinorityRepublican
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To: jmc1969

People don't have a comprehensive knowledge of the war on terror and the sideshow Iraq plays as a theater against the militant wing of the Islamic fight for domination. I do believe that true democracy in any country with a Muslim majority will only open a legitimate door for Islamic fascism, as we saw in Algeria and are now seeing attempted in Egypt. The real war is with the Muslim Brotherhood and its various global institutions. This theater of the war is being fought on paper with power and influence, not bullets. This all seems very reminiscent of the nazi party's lead up to the war, except they had a much smaller following. The question is, will our governments take the painful steps and remove the heart of the problem or will they continue chipping at the sides.


46 posted on 12/01/2005 8:16:02 AM PST by Realism (Some believe that the facts-of-life are open to debate.....)
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To: Patriot from Philly

The only surprise here is that Bush garnered 44 percent positive vote. CNN must be slipping. They didn't get enough DemocRAT responses.


47 posted on 12/01/2005 8:16:27 AM PST by conservative blonde (Conservative Blonde)
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To: NRA1995

Jeannie Most is a woman reporter for CNN. She usually does funny stories. I guess this is in keeping with her "funny" stories. She does man on the street stuff in New York City.


48 posted on 12/01/2005 8:18:37 AM PST by Yankereb
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To: jmc1969

CNN ^ | November 30, 2005

'Nuff said.


49 posted on 12/01/2005 8:48:29 AM PST by Lexinom
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To: jmc1969
Asked about Bush's handling of the Iraq war, 54 percent said it was poor,

Considering that 60% think that the economy is poor this is about right. But don't worry the RATS have a plan™ that will make terrorists love us, make 2% unemployment and send the stock market over 20,000.

50 posted on 12/01/2005 9:38:39 AM PST by Mike Darancette (Mesocons for Rice '08)
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