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Former ambassador speaks on Iraq, CIA leak investigation (Calls Bob Novak an ***hole and a jerk..)
http://www.nu-news.com/media/paper600/news/2005/11/30/News/Former.Ambassador.Speaks.On.Iraq.Cia.Leak.Investigation-1116172.shtml?norewrite&sourcedomain=www.nu-news.com ^ | Stephen Babcock

Posted on 12/01/2005 4:03:13 AM PST by rs79bm

A fast-talking, terse former negotiator, Joseph Wilson sat straight in his chair, offering no sign of fatigue from months of questioning and what he called "tawdry political tricks.

Asked about the same topic he has entertained for months - the unveiling of his wife's once-covert spy status by syndicated columnist Robert Novak - he gave a scowl as if to rev his rhetorical engine and spit an answer with lightning pace.

"What this is all about is the 16 words in the [2003] State of the Union Address, but the lackeys in the administration have managed to divert the attention from those 16 words and onto my family," he said, taking no breaths over the course of a minute. "The real issue is the level of threat we faced from Iraq at the time we went to war. I would prefer to be in that debate, seeing as how I have something to offer. Unfortunately, most people want to know what it's like to be Valerie Plame's husband - which I'm also happy to talk about."

In a talk sponsored by the Northeastern College Democrats at Blackman Auditorium Nov. 21, Wilson laid out the story of how he had gone from being a relatively anonymous state department official to "Valerie Plame's husband," sparing few from potent verbal attacks along the way.

Over 90 minutes, the rhetorical engine never slowed down. He was able to provide the audience with most of his career history, his position on both Iraq wars, a full account of the trip to Niger he called the reason for his character assassination and, as a "side issue," his reaction to the outing of his wife's identity as a spy with the CIA.

Wilson, a former ambassador to several African nations and to Baghdad during the 1991 Gulf War, described his position on the current Iraq War as a complete "180" from what he called his "hawkish" position in 1991.

"It was clear to me in 2002 that there was a group of people advocating for war who didn't understand what would happen if we invaded [Iraq]," he said. "Those of us who had some experience could see that the risks far outweighed the positives."

He said his experience meeting with Saddam Hussein just before the United Nations attacked Iraqi forces invading Kuwait in 1991 and helping spur democracy in Niger helped him come to the conclusion democracy was too difficult a road to pursue in Iraq.

"To me, it looked like regime change for the sake of regime change. It was a much harder road than [the Bush administration] thought it would be," he said. "Was there anyone who knew better than me? Probably not."

He referred to the Iraqis as "assholes," and Saddam Hussein as a "madman."

He added he received support for this view from former President George H.W. Bush and former National Security Adviser Brent Scowcroft.

After he began to publicize his views, he said other pro-war policy makers engaged in character denigration, setting the backdrop by which he claimed his wife's identity was revealed. He said he was accused of being racist, among other charges, during the debate.

He also described the trip to Niger, in which he had found no evidence of the uranium sales President Bush accused Iraq of attempting to acquire for nuclear weapons. The trip was the topic of an op-ed he wrote in the New York Times discrediting Bush's speech, and led to the revelation of his wife's identity, Wilson said.

"I did what most citizens would do - I held my government to account," he said of the op-ed. "I looked at the industry, which I already knew very well, and I looked at other places where the uranium may have been concealed. There was nothing to allege that Iraq attempted to buy uranium. The documents provided to the U.S. were forgeries, and the story was spinning out of control."

Though he said it was a "side issue," Wilson did not hold back judgment regarding the outing of his wife's covert identity.

"My wife was the first American spy to have her identity compromised by the American government," he said.

He also had harsh words for Novak, calling him an "asshole" and a "jerk."

"When I found out [about the unveiling], I was on the second floor of my house," he said. "If Bob Novak had been in the room, he wouldn't have been on the second floor for long."

Despite the theatrics, though, Wilson said there was a larger lesson from his ordeal.

"You will not keep this republic unless you are vigilant in its defense," he said. "Insist on debate, and insist that the debate be based on the facts."

That message resonated with MJ Paradiso, a freshman international business major in attendance.

"I was impressed not only with the way he spoke about his personal story, but also his broader message about standing up for what you think is right," he said.

Other students in attendance, though, were not as impressed. Middler English major Christopher Budnick said the event was a "waste of time," citing "skewed statistics."

"He led with a really interesting statistic, that Valerie Wilson-Plame was the first American spy to have her identity revealed by her own government," Budnick said. "It would be a bit more thrilling if she was, indeed, the first, but talking to a room full of college students can really invigorate you into saying what sounds good."


TOPICS: Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bobnovak; cia; cialeak; joewilson; plame
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1 posted on 12/01/2005 4:03:17 AM PST by rs79bm
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To: rs79bm
Former ambassador speaks

Stick a sock in it, Joe.

2 posted on 12/01/2005 4:12:11 AM PST by beyond the sea (Murtha: Redeployment - What .......Surrender? // “Victory is not a strategy”)
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To: rs79bm

The guy is really full of himself, isn't he.
His wife wasn't outed for anything, except being married to an delusional @sshole.


3 posted on 12/01/2005 4:12:51 AM PST by Forte Runningrock
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To: rs79bm
He also had harsh words for Novak, calling him an "asshole" and a "jerk."

What a class act Joe Wilson is... and this clown was an ambassador?

4 posted on 12/01/2005 4:13:45 AM PST by rhombus
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To: rs79bm

"To me, it looked like regime change for the sake of regime change. It was a much harder road than [the Bush administration] thought it would be," he said. "Was there anyone who knew better than me? Probably not."

He referred to the Iraqis as "assholes," and Saddam Hussein as a "madman." </i>

If he added that Joe Wilson was a pompous, over-dramatic, attention-seeking press whore with a Hollywood complex and that his wife was a desk jockey who was more at risk of stabbing herself in the eye with her mascara than anything else, I'd say it was a fair asessment.


5 posted on 12/01/2005 4:14:54 AM PST by Callahan
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To: Forte Runningrock
He has referred to the attempted Niger buy as a "caper". The only "characters" I have ever seen or heard use that expression are Dick Tracy, Bugs Bunny and Maxwell Smart.
6 posted on 12/01/2005 4:15:58 AM PST by gov_bean_ counter (It is easy to call for a pi$$ing contest when you aren't going to be in the line of fire.)
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To: rs79bm
"Insist on debate, and insist that the debate be based on the facts."

Well, that let's you out, Joe.

7 posted on 12/01/2005 4:18:47 AM PST by Bahbah (Free Scooter; Tony Schaffer for the US Senate)
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To: gov_bean_ counter

Joe Wilson - Maxwell Smart

LOL!!


8 posted on 12/01/2005 4:20:24 AM PST by ScaniaBoy (Part of the Right Wing Research & Attack Machine)
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To: rs79bm
"Unfortunately, most people want to know what it's like to be Valerie Plame's husband - which I'm also happy to talk about. By the way, did I ever tell you she lets my play with her gun.. it's much bigger than mine. Oh, and did I mention she's a spy and works for the CIA?"
9 posted on 12/01/2005 4:21:50 AM PST by Condor51 (Leftists are moral and intellectual parasites - Standing Wolf)
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"He said his experience meeting with Saddam Hussein just before the United Nations attacked Iraqi forces invading Kuwait in 1991 and helping spur democracy in Niger helped him come to the conclusion democracy was too difficult a road to pursue in Iraq."

Gee, I thought it was USA forces that attacked Saddam and tossed him out of Kuwait,If I recall the UN turned tail and ran when Saddam was crossing the border. Democracy in the M.E. wasn't the agenda at the time. Joe Wilson brought democracy to Niger? Sure he did. Are you skipping your meds Joe? Don't listen to those voices Joe!

10 posted on 12/01/2005 4:25:50 AM PST by Forte Runningrock
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To: rs79bm

You know a guy is in trouble when a real story about him appears to be a parody at first but isn't.


11 posted on 12/01/2005 4:26:18 AM PST by isthisnickcool (America!)
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To: Bahbah
Other students in attendance, though, were not as impressed. Middler English major Christopher Budnick said the event was a "waste of time," citing "skewed statistics."

"He led with a really interesting statistic, that Valerie Wilson-Plame was the first American spy to have her identity revealed by her own government," Budnick said. "It would be a bit more thrilling if she was, indeed, the first, but talking to a room full of college students can really invigorate you into saying what sounds good."


At least their was one intelligent individual in the audience.
12 posted on 12/01/2005 4:28:08 AM PST by rs79bm
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To: rs79bm

Ol Joe Wilson continues to demonstrate that he is a bastion of virtue


13 posted on 12/01/2005 4:28:10 AM PST by mylife (The roar of the masses could be farts)
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To: rs79bm

Talk about liberal "projection"!


14 posted on 12/01/2005 4:29:23 AM PST by Redleg Duke (9/11 - "WE WILL NEVER FORGET!")
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To: Callahan
He referred to the Iraqis as "assholes,"

That says all we need to know about Wilson.

15 posted on 12/01/2005 4:31:09 AM PST by Protect the Bill of Rights (GOP, The Other France)
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To: Bahbah

Heheheheh. An excellent point, my friend! :-)


16 posted on 12/01/2005 4:32:34 AM PST by saveliberty (Creator - A comedian whose audience is afraid to laugh. HL Mencken)
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To: Protect the Bill of Rights

I guess he has a lot of transferrence.


17 posted on 12/01/2005 4:33:03 AM PST by saveliberty (Creator - A comedian whose audience is afraid to laugh. HL Mencken)
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To: rs79bm
Maybe we should call Joe Wilson "the American Dad". I'm sure he see's himself as that character does.
Someone should call family services and get those twins away from him before he hurts them during a delusional episode.
18 posted on 12/01/2005 4:34:16 AM PST by Forte Runningrock
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To: saveliberty

Our boy Joe is beginning to sound a little unhinged. The highlight of the story for me was to see that there is someone majoring in Middle English AND he is a pretty smart guy.


19 posted on 12/01/2005 4:36:29 AM PST by Bahbah (Free Scooter; Tony Schaffer for the US Senate)
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To: Bahbah

ROFL! Hooray for Christopher Budnick! He is a very perceptive young man! :-)


20 posted on 12/01/2005 4:39:49 AM PST by saveliberty (Creator - A comedian whose audience is afraid to laugh. HL Mencken)
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