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Religious studies professor slurs Christians, Jews
WorldNetDaily ^ | Jack Cashill

Posted on 12/01/2005 7:24:47 AM PST by Lobbyist

The Harvard-educated Paul Mirecki serves as the head of the Religious Studies Department at Kansas University – at least for the time being. By the time a KU administrator finishes reading this article – much of the information revealed here for the first time – Mirecki's job may be in jeopardy. If he continues in his post, it will be further proof of the double standard that universities maintain when it comes to the question of "hate speech."

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Philosophy; US: Kansas
KEYWORDS: academia; ku; mirecki; slur

1 posted on 12/01/2005 7:24:47 AM PST by Lobbyist
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To: Right Wing Professor
"the fundies want [intelligent design] all taught in a science class, but this will be a nice slap in their big fat face by teaching it as a religious studies class under the category "mythology."

I think you were the guy disingenuously claiming that you didn't think this professor's course offering was intended as an insult.

You refused to admit what was obvious to all (anc certainly to you).

Well, here is confirmation from the professor's own mouth that his course was intended as an insult, not a serious academic offering.

2 posted on 12/01/2005 7:28:21 AM PST by wideawake
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To: wideawake
This guy is the head of the Religious Studies Department?

"The majority of my colleagues here in the dept [sic] are agnostics or atheists, or they just don't care," wrote Mirecki to a discussion group on April 18, 2004. "If any of them are theists, it hasn't been obvious to me in the 15 years I've been here." He added, "As I often tell my students in the first day of class, 'If anyone gets converted in this class, its not my fault!'" Indeed, if Mirecki's e-mails are a clue, his classes were more likely to strip a student of his faith.

The joys of higher education.

3 posted on 12/01/2005 7:31:18 AM PST by Chanticleer (A free society is a place where it's safe to be unpopular. -- Adlai Stevenson)
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To: Lobbyist

So the educators are the gods of knowledge, it is a very very old religion.


4 posted on 12/01/2005 7:32:16 AM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: Lobbyist; Siobhan; Canticle_of_Deborah; broadsword; NYer; Salvation; sandyeggo; american colleen; ..
Mirecki confirmed another student's suspicions about Catholics, "Yup, its [sic] world domination they are after." And when a student described the ailing Pope John Paul II as a "a corpse in a funny hat wearing a dress," Mirecki responded, "I love it! I refer to him as J2P2 (John Paul II), like the Star Wars robot R2D2."

And as to Jews, on Jan. 15, 2003, when a student mocks "the Zionists who want to rebuild the temple and sacrifice red heifers; the joy of fundamentalism," Mirecki affirms him with a "Yeah."

Altevogt argues that having Mirecki chair Kansas University's Religious Studies Department would be like having David Duke chair one on African-American studies. It remains to be seen whether the KU administration agrees.

Not surprising at all, but still sickening.

Catholic ping!

5 posted on 12/01/2005 7:32:33 AM PST by Pyro7480 (Sancte Joseph, terror daemonum, ora pro nobis!)
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To: Lobbyist

This prof is just another "happy" atheist...


6 posted on 12/01/2005 7:33:26 AM PST by frogjerk (LIBERALISM - Being miserable for no good reason)
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To: wideawake
I think you were the guy disingenuously claiming that you didn't think this professor's course offering was intended as an insult.

I think I saw you robbing a bank.

7 posted on 12/01/2005 7:33:51 AM PST by Right Wing Professor
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To: wideawake

Ah, the comments of some on here go to show how fractuous conservatism really is.


8 posted on 12/01/2005 7:34:05 AM PST by Pyro7480 (Sancte Joseph, terror daemonum, ora pro nobis!)
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To: Right Wing Professor
I think I saw you robbing a bank.

Cutesy and misdirectinmg as usual.

Don't worry, I'll find the thread and your corroborating post in a little bit.

9 posted on 12/01/2005 7:36:17 AM PST by wideawake
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To: Pyro7480
Well, if you're not marching in liberal lockstep, you can expect some disagreements along the road . . .

This guy sounds like a real piece of work, though. Maybe he should be teaching something OTHER than religious studies, since he doesn't appear to take his work seriously . . .

10 posted on 12/01/2005 7:36:52 AM PST by AnAmericanMother (. . . Ministrix of ye Chace (recess appointment), TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary . . .)
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To: Lobbyist

It's amazing how fearful atheists are of God and the Bible. If it's just a fairy story like Harry Potter or the Legend of King Arthur or the Greek mythologies then why such an intense desire to refute it? What are they so afraid of? Surely not God!


11 posted on 12/01/2005 7:37:21 AM PST by IndyInVa (There either needs to be less corruption, or more opportunity for me to participate in it.)
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To: AnAmericanMother
Well, if you're not marching in liberal lockstep, you can expect some disagreements along the road

Quite true, though I sometimes wonder about the credentials of some, since they take the liberal stance on key issues.

12 posted on 12/01/2005 7:38:40 AM PST by Pyro7480 (Sancte Joseph, terror daemonum, ora pro nobis!)
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To: wideawake

ID advocates have testified under oath that ID is not based on or affiliated with any religion.

Mocking ID is not mocking religion.

It may, however, be mocking people who think ID can be used to bring religion into the science classroom.


13 posted on 12/01/2005 7:38:54 AM PST by js1138 (Great is the power of steady misrepresentation.)
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To: Lobbyist

Somebody has to get Hannity talking about this.


14 posted on 12/01/2005 7:38:59 AM PST by Mercat (God loves us where He finds us.)
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To: IndyInVa
If it's just a fairy story like Harry Potter or the Legend of King Arthur or the Greek mythologies then why such an intense desire to refute it?

In some cases, it's not just fear, but pure hatred.

15 posted on 12/01/2005 7:39:22 AM PST by Pyro7480 (Sancte Joseph, terror daemonum, ora pro nobis!)
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To: wideawake
Let me save you the trouble. This is what I wrote.

I have no problem with the course. However, the prof. seems to be an immature a$$hole - I share his frustration with fundamentalists, but why would you act it out in such a manner on a listserv? In response to fundamentalist encroachments, I too taught a seminar course a couple of years back. It was called The chemical basis of evolution, and it was a serious science course, where students learned to do molecular cladistics and verify for themselves the common descent of organisms, as well as examine various theories of abiogenesis. Half the class dropped after the first meeting, when they found they'd actually have to learn some science.

In other words, I have no problem with teaching a course in response to current events, even a course with a strong point of view. I have no problem with the guy expressing his view of fundamentalists on an internet listserv. But I take my teaching way too seriously to brag about how my course was an effort, in effect, to 'stick it to the fundies'.

Now is that too complicated an opinion for you?

16 posted on 12/01/2005 7:39:23 AM PST by Right Wing Professor
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To: Pyro7480
It is all about the control of education and the $$$$$$$$$ associated with it. The 'science' gods sit (ha ha) above politics, they need the money and have demonstrated they will do whatever it takes to keep that funding flow on an ever increasing rate. Like a flood of deception they have harnessed, and we taxpayers get to pay for their deception.

There is never a drought in their funding, and without that funding their theory will whither on the vine, thusly they can project abject fear that without them the US will be little more than a 3rd world country.
17 posted on 12/01/2005 7:41:34 AM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: Chanticleer
"This guy is the head of the Religious Studies Department? "

Kinda like putting a nazi in charge of jewish history.

18 posted on 12/01/2005 7:44:09 AM PST by GregoTX (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.)
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To: GregoTX
Kinda like putting a nazi in charge of jewish history.

Or an IDer teaching biology.

19 posted on 12/01/2005 7:45:39 AM PST by Right Wing Professor
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To: Right Wing Professor

Are you on the side of the poison IVY league professor???


20 posted on 12/01/2005 7:49:13 AM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: Lobbyist

I'd rather be a fundie than a faggie. And, btw - what is an athiest doing as the head of the religious studies department? That's like having Michael Moore run the health food store, or Hillary own a Beauty Salon.


21 posted on 12/01/2005 7:51:24 AM PST by AD from SpringBay (We have the government we allow and deserve.)
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To: Lobbyist
"If any of them are theists, it hasn't been obvious to me in
the 15 years I've been here."


I guess it never occurred to the good professor that there might be
some closet theists...who've learned to "go along to get along".

And they probably know that if their cover is blown,
their careers will be long-gone.
22 posted on 12/01/2005 7:52:01 AM PST by VOA
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To: IndyInVa

> It's amazing how fearful atheists are of God and the Bible.

Amazing that there's almost no fear whatsoever?

> If it's just a fairy story like Harry Potter or the Legend of King Arthur or the Greek mythologies then why such an intense desire to refute it?

Because believers in King Arthur and the Greek myths don;t generally control school boards.

> What are they so afraid of? Surely not God!

Correct. Atheists do not fear what they believe does not exist.


23 posted on 12/01/2005 7:58:09 AM PST by orionblamblam ("You're the poster boy for what ID would turn out if it were taught in our schools." VadeRetro)
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To: GregoTX
from the article:
"The majority of my colleagues here in the dept [sic] are
agnostics or atheists, or they just don't care,"


I guess this does give me some comfort because:
1. The professors in this "department of religious study" might
just be the sort of dispassionate, objective researchers on
religious topics (although it appears The Evil Dr. P has a clear
anti-religious bias)
AND
2. their TAXPAYER-FUNDED atheistic missionary work has
seemed to backfire in Kansas.
24 posted on 12/01/2005 7:59:29 AM PST by VOA
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To: AD from SpringBay

> what is an athiest doing as the head of the religious studies department?

Why not? Would you put a Scientologist, say, in charge of a department that teaches about Hinduism, Islam, Zoroastrianism, Christianity?


25 posted on 12/01/2005 8:00:38 AM PST by orionblamblam ("You're the poster boy for what ID would turn out if it were taught in our schools." VadeRetro)
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To: Right Wing Professor

I don't see where Intelligent Design and biology are mutually exclusive.

I may be missing some fundamental tenets of intelligent design, but it seems to me that the idea that a Supreme Being established the processes by which biology works, and by which evolution is thought to have progressed, does not conflict with any bit of proven science.

(Of course, it could conceivably conflict with some theory, but, until a theory is proven, it remains just that - a theory)


26 posted on 12/01/2005 8:01:36 AM PST by Redbob
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To: Redbob
I may be missing some fundamental tenets of intelligent design, but it seems to me that the idea that a Supreme Being established the processes by which biology works, and by which evolution is thought to have progressed, does not conflict with any bit of proven science

If that were all that ID is, few of us would have any problem with it, though it shouldn't be taught in science class, since the above is a metaphysical and untestable contention.)

My point was that the same people who are aghast at an atheist teaching religious studies, insist that someone who rejects the fundamental principles of modern biology be allowed to teach it.

27 posted on 12/01/2005 8:06:03 AM PST by Right Wing Professor
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To: Lobbyist
Even though I think it's a joke that this guy is in charge of Religious Studies at any degree granting institution, I'm not sure that it's all bad for the Christians.
I was raised Catholic and attended Catholic schools until high school. My first two years of high school were spent at a Presbyterian school. After having heated "discussions" with my Religion teacher about the message of St. Thomas Aquinas, I was asked not to return to the school my Junior year. I finished high school in the public school system and attended a public university for four years. Since I left Catholic schools, my faith has been questioned and ridiculed but I wouldn't have it any other way. I've become stronger because of it. It made me learn more about what Catholics stand for, and more about what all denominations share. This guy is trying to invalidate Christianity but all he's doing is training Christian Soldiers.
28 posted on 12/01/2005 8:09:04 AM PST by fmonkey
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To: orionblamblam

I won't say you've proven my point (that atheists actually fear God, which is why they seem to have such a strong desire to deny His existence), but you definitely provide an additional data point in support of it.

Why such an intense need to argue with those who believe in God?


29 posted on 12/01/2005 8:10:30 AM PST by IndyInVa (There either needs to be less corruption, or more opportunity for me to participate in it.)
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To: Right Wing Professor
"My point was that the same people who are aghast at an atheist teaching religious studies, insist that someone who rejects the fundamental principles of modern biology be allowed to teach it."


Oh please time and time again evolutionists claim superiority over biology and say there is no place for the Creator in their design and they say ID need be in a philosophy or theology class.

Seems now the dirty little secret is that the evolutionists own both departments and this anti-Christian with the backing of the evolutionists anti-God crowd planned to teach the "fundies" a lesson.
30 posted on 12/01/2005 8:13:26 AM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: VOA

That headline was funny, noting that the atheist prof's e-mail had irked "fundamentalists".

The thing liberals, both in and out of the media, never recognize is that one can be a fundamentalist atheist, and Mirecki clearly is such a "fundie".

This whole idea about atheists and secularists being "open-minded freethinkers" is just nonsense. I remember years ago reading a news report on a pro-life referendum victory in Ireland. The reporter (pro-abortion, as usual) blamed the pro-life win on people in rural Ireland, whose minds were supposedly under the control of the Catholic Church. The pro-abortion voters weren't thought to be under any control at all. They had, supposedly, voted the way they did because they independently and open-mindedly concluded ("rationally", of course) that abortion was a fine thing.

But that was just the usual self-absorbed atheist/secularist nonsense. Such people are just as fundamentalist and just as much prone to being influenced and even controlled by outside ideas than the so-called religious fanatics, if not more so. Go to any message board or thread with a lot of atheists on it and they all pat each other on the back, fully agree with one another, and generally take their position from the prevailing zeitgeist, which is what "controlled" the votes of those pro-abortion voters in Ireland.

Atheists are, in fact, quite easily herded.


31 posted on 12/01/2005 8:13:37 AM PST by puroresu (Conservatism is an observation; Liberalism is an ideology)
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To: All

I would have to be very suspicious of professors who spend their lives studying religions, yet do not believe in God.

I do not know how you teach religion outside the bounds of faith. If they are approaching it as strictly mythology, then it really isn't being taught as religion. And their courses should not be in a religious studies department, but should be part of departments that study mythology.


32 posted on 12/01/2005 8:17:36 AM PST by Madeleine Ward
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To: VOA
" guess this does give me some comfort because: 1. The professors in this "department of religious study" might just be the sort of dispassionate, objective researchers on religious topics (although it appears The Evil Dr. P has a clear anti-religious bias)"

Yep, and it goes deeper than that. The point of the thread was how a professor that despises religious thought chairs the dept for religious studies. KU did not place someone that appreciates people of faith, religion or its history in that position, they placed an atheist activist who despises people of faith there.

But somehow the point got lost in this thread, it has turned into a ID/Evolution debate somehow. When that happens the thread turns into a complete waste of bandwidth.

33 posted on 12/01/2005 8:17:40 AM PST by GregoTX (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.)
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To: IndyInVa

> I won't say you've proven my point

That's good, because you'd be wrong on *many* levels.

> Why such an intense need to argue with those who believe in God?

No such desire, at least on my part. However, there *is* a desire to argue with those who like to misrepresent facts or tell outright fibs.


34 posted on 12/01/2005 8:18:34 AM PST by orionblamblam ("You're the poster boy for what ID would turn out if it were taught in our schools." VadeRetro)
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To: GregoTX
But somehow the point got lost in this thread, it has turned into a ID/Evolution debate somehow

Because the course he's teaching is called "Special Topics in Religion: Intelligent Design, Creationism and other Religious Mythologies"?

35 posted on 12/01/2005 8:20:27 AM PST by Right Wing Professor
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To: orionblamblam

>> Why such an intense need to argue with those who believe in God?

>No such desire, at least on my part. However, there *is* a desire to argue with those who like to misrepresent facts or tell outright fibs.

Interesting then, with SO MANY topics to choose from that are just chock full of misrepresentation and lies that you'd choose this one.


36 posted on 12/01/2005 8:35:28 AM PST by IndyInVa (There either needs to be less corruption, or more opportunity for me to participate in it.)
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To: frogjerk

Mirecki, an atheist? Not really. His poor publication record allows a look at his real interests, viz., magic, Gnostics and apocrypha. He is in fact a heretic.

Where is Torquemada when we need him?


37 posted on 12/01/2005 8:40:53 AM PST by gaspar
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To: IndyInVa

> Interesting then, with SO MANY topics to choose from that are just chock full of misrepresentation and lies that you'd choose this one.

Well, science is a particular interest of mine, and evolution/Creationism is one of the relatively few areas where conservatives will tell falsehoods (knowingly and otherwise) to other conservatives. So, you have the confluence of science, anti-science and internal debate.

If you know of other such topics, let me know. As to topics such as "Michael Moore tells another lie..." well, that's not really something to generate a whole lot of actual debate.


38 posted on 12/01/2005 9:07:19 AM PST by orionblamblam ("You're the poster boy for what ID would turn out if it were taught in our schools." VadeRetro)
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To: Lobbyist

Does anyone else notice a lack of impulse control among people like this professor?

We keep hearing news reports of people not being able to contain their antagonism towards things they don't like ... like little children who have not yet learned how to control themselves.


39 posted on 12/01/2005 10:13:13 AM PST by Lorianne
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40 posted on 12/01/2005 11:19:37 AM PST by SJackson (People have learned from Gaza that resistance succeeds, not smart negotiators., Hassem Darwish)
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To: orionblamblam

"Well, science is a particular interest of mine, and evolution/Creationism is one of the relatively few areas where conservatives will tell falsehoods (knowingly and otherwise) to other conservatives. So, you have the confluence of science, anti-science and internal debate."

Ok, I'll buy that. I have to agree with you there.


41 posted on 12/01/2005 11:19:48 AM PST by IndyInVa (There either needs to be less corruption, or more opportunity for me to participate in it.)
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To: Lorianne

> Does anyone else notice a lack of impulse control among people like this professor?

No more so than most other people engaged in private conversations regarding topics that both people dislike.


42 posted on 12/01/2005 11:23:16 AM PST by orionblamblam ("You're the poster boy for what ID would turn out if it were taught in our schools." VadeRetro)
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To: Lobbyist
And as to Jews, on Jan. 15, 2003, when a student mocks "the Zionists who want to rebuild the temple and sacrifice red heifers; the joy of fundamentalism," Mirecki affirms him with a "Yeah."

**************

This man hasn't progressed emotionally past the age of 15. I would have dropped his class after the first session, were I unfortunate enough to have signed up for it.

43 posted on 12/01/2005 11:30:24 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Redbob

"I may be missing some fundamental tenets of intelligent design, but it seems to me that the idea that a Supreme Being established the processes by which biology works, and by which evolution is thought to have progressed, does not conflict with any bit of proven science."

You're right, of course. The only way the bigots can generate an argument against ID is to dishonestly conflate it with young-earth, 7-day creationism.


44 posted on 12/01/2005 8:50:33 PM PST by dsc
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To: Lobbyist

Just another marxist in academia, did you expect something else?


45 posted on 12/02/2005 6:26:24 AM PST by Wuli
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To: SJackson

Such for his religion.


46 posted on 12/04/2005 1:07:20 PM PST by onedoug
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To: dsc

Again, it is the lack of knowledge of scripture that belies the arguments against I.D.. They leave out the part about a day is like a thousand years to God. In other words God is not a temporal being and his actions cannot be explained or defined in temporal terms.


47 posted on 12/04/2005 1:26:29 PM PST by Eva
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To: dennisw; Cachelot; Yehuda; Nix 2; veronica; Catspaw; knighthawk; Alouette; Optimist; weikel; ...
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48 posted on 12/04/2005 5:02:56 PM PST by SJackson (People have learned from Gaza that resistance succeeds, not smart negotiators., Hassem Darwish)
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To: Eva

" In other words God is not a temporal being and his actions cannot be explained or defined in temporal terms."

Seems pretty clear to me.

I really don't understand why people insist that He did everything in 7 24-hour days. I mean, not that He couldn't if He wanted to, but what does "an hour" mean to God?

A "day" to us is one revolution of the Earth on its axis. What was it to God before He created the Earth?


49 posted on 12/04/2005 9:32:50 PM PST by dsc
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