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U.S. Is Said to Pay to Plant Articles in Iraq Papers
New York Times via AOL News ^ | Dec. 1, 2005 | Jeff Gerth

Posted on 12/01/2005 8:00:13 AM PST by Rennes Templar

Edited on 12/01/2005 8:01:22 AM PST by Sidebar Moderator. [history]

WASHINGTON (Nov. 30) - Titled "The Sands Are Blowing Toward a Democratic Iraq," an article written this week for publication in the Iraqi press was scornful of outsiders' pessimism about the country's future.

A vendor shows newspapers for sale at his stall in Baghdad. The Pentagon is paying millions to a public-relations firm for work that appears to violate fundamental principles of Western journalism.


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Well look who's whining about journalistic standards. About time we fought the MSM on their own terms.
1 posted on 12/01/2005 8:00:14 AM PST by Rennes Templar
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To: Rennes Templar

Are they alleging that the articles are untrue?

If not, what's the issue?


2 posted on 12/01/2005 8:02:16 AM PST by FreedomPoster (Guns themselves are fairly robust; their chief enemies are rust and politicians) (NRA)
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To: Rennes Templar

I guess they have to hire Jayson Blair, and Mary Mapes, to conform to Western journalistic standards.


3 posted on 12/01/2005 8:02:46 AM PST by neodad (USS Vincennes (CG-49) Freedom's Fortress)
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To: Rennes Templar; Liz; Grampa Dave; weegee; an amused spectator

And the NYT & WaPo charge subscriptions to ignore good news in Iraq.


4 posted on 12/01/2005 8:02:47 AM PST by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: Rennes Templar

In the US, if anyone else does it, it's known as public relations.


5 posted on 12/01/2005 8:03:28 AM PST by correctthought (Hippies, want to change the world, but all they ever do is smoke pot and smell bad)
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To: Rennes Templar
A vendor shows newspapers for sale at his stall in Baghdad. The Pentagon is paying millions to a public-relations firm for work that appears to violate fundamental principles of Western journalism.

They are absolutely correct. Western Journalism dictates that only lies and yellow journalism is to be printed...

6 posted on 12/01/2005 8:03:41 AM PST by frogjerk (LIBERALISM - Being miserable for no good reason)
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To: Rennes Templar

So what!!! What do these pompus arrogant ignorant pinheads think war is all about.


7 posted on 12/01/2005 8:03:42 AM PST by JustAnotherOkie
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To: Rennes Templar

The next thing you know the Pentagon will be giving the Iraqi media forged documents they copied at a Kinkos about how Zarqawi didn't show up to mandatory terrorist training day 30 years ago. Who is lecturing who about journalistic standards now?


8 posted on 12/01/2005 8:05:47 AM PST by frankiep
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To: JustAnotherOkie

"So what!!! What do these pompus arrogant ignorant pinheads think war is all about?"



For them, losing. Which would be victory.


9 posted on 12/01/2005 8:06:29 AM PST by Rennes Templar ("The future ain't what it used to be".........Yogi Berra)
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To: Rennes Templar

The New York Times pays people to write only negative news about Iraq. How come that's not a problem?


10 posted on 12/01/2005 8:09:07 AM PST by speedy
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To: Rennes Templar

Who pays the NYT to plant stories. Soros, DNC, Dean, Pelosi, Kennedy, Schumer, Dodd, Kerry, Heinz, Boxer..................this list goes on.


11 posted on 12/01/2005 8:10:09 AM PST by jw777
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To: frogjerk

A vendor shows newspapers for sale at his stall in Baghdad. The Pentagon is paying millions to a public-relations firm for work that appears to violate fundamental principles of Western journalism.

Priciples of Western Journalism.


12 posted on 12/01/2005 8:10:22 AM PST by COUNTrecount
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To: correctthought

I was pleased to learn that the US was doing this. It seems to be the only way to get our side out in the public arena.


13 posted on 12/01/2005 8:11:35 AM PST by conservative blonde (Conservative Blonde)
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To: correctthought

The madia went ga ga over the War Room that the Clintonistas set up to put out lies about his opponents. They admired about how well he could "spin" the media. Even Sen. Bob Kerrey admired what "a very good liar" Clinton was. CarVile and Begala even got jobs at CNN for being such good liars. Yet, the military "plants" TRUE stories in Iraqi papers, and that's somehow unethical or unseemly? These liberal scum just hate and loath the military. Period.


14 posted on 12/01/2005 8:12:10 AM PST by Ron in Acreage (Liberals are always generous. With other peoples money.)
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To: conservative blonde

Democrats are just pissed because the terrorist point of view isn't fairly represented.


15 posted on 12/01/2005 8:14:16 AM PST by Ron in Acreage (Liberals are always generous. With other peoples money.)
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To: Rennes Templar

MSM= wahhh wahhhhh wahhhhhh

somebody sniff took sniff away sniff our sniff journalism sniff monopoly sniff


16 posted on 12/01/2005 8:14:50 AM PST by o_zarkman44
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To: Rennes Templar
A vendor shows newspapers for sale at his stall in Baghdad. The Pentagon is paying millions to a public-relations firm for work that appears to violate fundamental principles of Western journalism.

Oh. please. Western Journalism violates the "fundamental principles" of Western Journalism.

17 posted on 12/01/2005 8:15:44 AM PST by CaptRon (Pedecaris alive or Raisuli dead)
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To: Rennes Templar
I don't see what the problem is here. If the military can get the word out to the average Iraqi about the war and the reconstruction efforts it is a lot better than the negative press the MSM is spouting now or what they are hearing from the Iraqi opposition.
18 posted on 12/01/2005 8:19:55 AM PST by Americanexpat (A strong democracy through citizen oversight.)
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To: CaptRon

Oh well, Western journalists are too arrogant & cowardly to go there, so we must cope, somehow.


19 posted on 12/01/2005 8:22:47 AM PST by ClaireSolt (.)
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To: FreedomPoster
That is exactly what Mary Matalan told The Perky One this morning.

"True success stories are being placed in the Iraq free press to combat enemy propaganda"

20 posted on 12/01/2005 8:23:00 AM PST by TexasCajun
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To: o_zarkman44

Re: MSM= wahhh wahhhhh wahhhhhh
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No,wahhh wahhhhh wahhabbi


21 posted on 12/01/2005 8:23:11 AM PST by correctthought (Hippies, want to change the world, but all they ever do is smoke pot and smell bad)
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To: Americanexpat

People are so historically deprived. During WWII we had specific offices set up just TO portray Americans and our servicemen in a positive light. Of course, during that time the national media actually was on our side.


22 posted on 12/01/2005 8:23:55 AM PST by The Right Stuff
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To: conservative blonde

As am I, I was just pointing out the double standard applied to this storey.


23 posted on 12/01/2005 8:25:21 AM PST by correctthought (Hippies, want to change the world, but all they ever do is smoke pot and smell bad)
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To: Rennes Templar

The MSM has nobody to blame but themselves for their status as Illegitimate Media. There is absolutely nothing wrong with hiring others and paying them to get the truth out to the Iraqi people if the stories are factual.


24 posted on 12/01/2005 8:29:41 AM PST by Unmarked Package
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To: Rennes Templar; All

THE NYT IS HIDING BEHIND A DIRTY REALITY.

In Europe is is STANDARD OPERATING PROCEDURE to have politicians PAY REPORTERS to help with the "expenses" of reporters.

IT IS ROUTINE, the NYT "doth protest too much".

In fact is is MORE incidious with the NYT affiliates in europe because they pretend impartiality. EVERYONE knows that stories can be shaped if you help the reporters with their "expenses" in covering a story about certain politicians.

This is a nothing story being promoted by the left.


25 posted on 12/01/2005 8:35:29 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: Rennes Templar
U.S. Is Said to Pay to Plant Articles in Iraq Papers

Here, in the states, they're known as Advertorials!!!

26 posted on 12/01/2005 8:36:42 AM PST by varon (Allegiance to the constitution, always. Allegiance to a political party, never.)
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To: Rennes Templar

It's called PSY-OPS!

My gosh, does every news story have to be seen through the "US IS SO BAD" looking glass? And the terrorists are NOT paying for PRO-INSURGENT articles?

What the hell is the problem with putting good news articles in the Iraqi papers showing PROGRESS and CHANGE and PEOPLE LIVING IN PEACE?

It is truly amazing how many people in our own country want America to lose. How does a story like this get any traction? Maybe, just maybe we pay those News Agencies to PRINT those stories, not PLANT those stories. Oh no, the awful Americans are paying Iraqis to print PRO-American articles. MAYBE BECAUSE WE WOULD LIKE TO WIN! MAYBE BECAUSE IT IS OUR MONEY PAYING FOR THE REBUILDING!

And people wonder why our President cannot get anywhere in the MSM. It is not that his PR department sucks. It is that nobody in the MSM feels that our President deserves any respect.

Sickening.


27 posted on 12/01/2005 8:36:56 AM PST by Eagle of Liberty (11, 175, 77, 93 - In Memory Always)
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To: Rennes Templar
fundamental principles of Western journalism.

Priciples:

1) America is bad

2) All stories should be written from the viewpoint that America is bad

3) The UN is good

4) The terrorists need to be understood

5) The terrorists only need to be reasoned with

6) America needs to give all of its wealth to poor countries, like France

7) America is bad

8) Propaganda is good as long as it makes America look bad

9) The story does not have to be proven true to publish, someone has to prove it NOT true after it is published

10) Bill Clinton is the most wonderful person to ever set foot on this planet

Yup. Those are Western journalistic principles.
28 posted on 12/01/2005 8:42:42 AM PST by Eagle of Liberty (11, 175, 77, 93 - In Memory Always)
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To: quefstar

Unfortunately the MSM honchos probably infiltrated Iraqi media before US did.


30 posted on 12/01/2005 8:53:09 AM PST by Rennes Templar ("The future ain't what it used to be".........Yogi Berra)
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To: martin_fierro
I've heard it said that that the biggest cover-up in recent history is the MSM's failure to report the "good news" in Iraq.

More people need to be convinced that his is so and there may well be a change in how the war is reported in the MSM.
31 posted on 12/01/2005 9:11:41 AM PST by street_lawyer (Conservative Defender of the Faith)
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To: correctthought

When the DNC does it, it's PR (as in NPR). When a conservative administration does it, it's "propaganda".

Propaganda was not considered criminal until recent years.

Ain't no brag if it's true.


32 posted on 12/01/2005 9:33:18 AM PST by weegee (Christmas - the holiday that dare not speak its name.)
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To: Rennes Templar

If your Joe Wilson, you don't have to pay to plant an article in the New York Times.


33 posted on 12/01/2005 9:52:21 AM PST by popdonnelly
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To: speedy

In europe it is standard procedure for reporters to be given "gratuities" from politicians.

The NYT KNOWS this information.

It is like cassablanca, "shocked, shocked, shocked I say..."

What is REALLY going on is that the NYT is trying to help the Democrats declare "defeat" as the reason troops are being pulled.

By the standards of the democrat party, the United States lost the revolutionary war because the soldiers went back to their homes at the end.


34 posted on 12/01/2005 10:58:34 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: martin_fierro; Liz; Ernest_at_the_Beach; devolve

"The NYT & WaPo charge subscriptions to ignore good news in Iraq."

The best line, best laugh and best insight of the day.



35 posted on 12/01/2005 11:04:45 AM PST by Grampa Dave (Watch the rats re Iraq in 1998: http://media1.streamtoyou.com/rnc/111505.wmv)
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To: TexasCajun

There is more to it than just that.

The NYT hates the USA, they NYT favors socialis/communism/anti-captialism despite the fact that the NYT does nothing to represent the USA or report news without bias.

It may just be a simple matter of who owns a printing press.

The only reason FR can thrive and the information flows on the internet is that we are NOT dependent on a printing press or a MSM distribution network.

IOW they may not be able to bypass their version of the MSM as easily as we at FR.

(even in some european contries you STILL pay for internet by the minute!)


36 posted on 12/01/2005 11:04:52 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: Grampa Dave; martin_fierro
And the NYT & WaPo charge subscriptions to ignore good news in Iraq.

Great line!

37 posted on 12/01/2005 11:35:02 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (History is soon Forgotten,)
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To: Rennes Templar; PhilDragoo; potlatch; ntnychik; Grampa Dave; Interesting Times; bitt; ...




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38 posted on 12/01/2005 12:51:43 PM PST by devolve (<--- (--------(--do not check out my lame FR home page--)-------)
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To: devolve
Love the graphic.

Too bad the Bush family has helped rehabilitate the traitorous, impeached rapist of a horn-dog.

39 posted on 12/01/2005 3:09:17 PM PST by Czar (StillFedUptotheTeeth@Washington)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; martin_fierro; Liz

Check my new tagline. Thanks Martin


40 posted on 12/01/2005 3:22:41 PM PST by Grampa Dave (NY / LA Slimes and Wash Compost charge subscribers for their lies about Iraq and the USA!)
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To: Rennes Templar

Planted stories during a vicious war with Jihadist mass murderers? Why should I care? Sounds like excellent wartime propaganda too me. More fair and balanced than our RAT press


41 posted on 12/01/2005 4:25:55 PM PST by dennisw (You shouldn't let other people get your kicks for you - Bob Dylan)
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To: dennisw
A vendor shows newspapers for sale at his stall in Baghdad. The Pentagon is paying millions to a public-relations firm for work that appears to violate fundamental principles of Western journalism.

There's a war going on ya freaking moron. Propaganda is part of it and this is very low key

42 posted on 12/01/2005 4:28:11 PM PST by dennisw (You shouldn't let other people get your kicks for you - Bob Dylan)
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To: devolve

ROTFLOL!

I love it! ;o)


43 posted on 12/01/2005 4:29:37 PM PST by dixiechick2000 ("Virtute et armis" - By valor and arms)
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To: speedy

I literally yelled (almost) the same thing at the girl reading the 6:00 update on ABC radio news.


44 posted on 12/01/2005 4:34:47 PM PST by SelmaLee
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To: dixiechick2000


Subtlety is the key

- -

Hard to keep up with Kerry's "plan" for Iraq

It changed again today

- -

MoveOn.hateLieberman is getting testy too


45 posted on 12/01/2005 4:42:12 PM PST by devolve (<--- (--------(--do not check out my lame FR home page--)-------)
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To: devolve

"Subtlety is the key"


You've got that down pat!


"Hard to keep up with Kerry's "plan" for Iraq
It changed again today"


Just wait until tomorrow. ;o)
Thankfully, he keeps giving you more material than you do what to do with.


"MoveOn.hateLieberman is getting testy too"


When are they NOT testy?
Lieberman has shown a lot of courage.


46 posted on 12/01/2005 4:46:37 PM PST by dixiechick2000 ("Virtute et armis" - By valor and arms)
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To: SelmaLee

ABC Radio news is especially irritating. It's like listening to North Korean radio or something. Almost chilling in its bloodless propaganda.


47 posted on 12/01/2005 5:02:40 PM PST by speedy
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To: JustAnotherOkie

"So what!!! What do these pompus arrogant ignorant pinheads think war is all about."


Yeah, really! If things aren't going your way, just make some $hit up and pass it off as truth!


48 posted on 12/01/2005 5:26:33 PM PST by Blzbba (For a man who does not know to which port he is sailing, no wind is favorable - Seneca)
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To: Rennes Templar
fundamental principles of Western journalism

Are they talking about fundamental principles as in the nature of time, space, and motion in Newtonian physics?

No? Maybe the fundamental principles of getting Leftist politicians to look good when their scam has been hit by the light of day?

49 posted on 12/01/2005 5:31:35 PM PST by RightWhale (Not transferable -- Good only for this trip)
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To: Rennes Templar

While I agree with the points about the American media, this is an incredibly stupid move on our part. This undercuts trust in the Iraqi media and confirms the accustations by the anti-American crowd that the freedoms we're supposedly bestowing on Iraq are a sham. Any positive news printed in Iraqi newspapers will now immediately be dismissed as U.S. propaganda.


50 posted on 12/01/2005 6:05:48 PM PST by uberPatriot
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