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University Cancels Class on Creationism [Professor Paul Mirecki, chairman of religious studies...]
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Posted on 12/01/2005 11:47:39 AM PST by Sub-Driver

University Cancels Class on Creationism

By JOHN MILBURN, Associated Press Writer 19 minutes ago

A University of Kansas course devoted to debunking creationism and intelligent design has been canceled after the professor caused a furor by sending an e-mail mocking Christian fundamentalists.

Twenty-five students had enrolled in the course, "Special Topics in Religion: Intelligent Design, Creationism and Other Religious Mythologies," which had been scheduled for the spring.

Professor Paul Mirecki, chairman of religious studies, canceled the class Wednesday, the university said.

Mirecki recently posted an e-mail on a student organization forum in which he referred to religious conservatives as "fundies" and said a course depicting intelligent design as mythology would be a "nice slap in their big fat face."

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; US: Kansas
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1 posted on 12/01/2005 11:47:40 AM PST by Sub-Driver
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To: Sub-Driver

It will be a nice big slap in "his" face when he stands before God for judgement.


2 posted on 12/01/2005 11:54:45 AM PST by jerri
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To: Sub-Driver

Placemarker


3 posted on 12/01/2005 11:54:58 AM PST by Antonello
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To: jerri

... and asks him the Riddle of Steel. If he doesn't know, he'll be cast out of Valhalla and God will laugh at him.


4 posted on 12/01/2005 11:59:47 AM PST by orionblamblam ("You're the poster boy for what ID would turn out if it were taught in our schools." VadeRetro)
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To: Sub-Driver

This professor is clearly a total creep.

However, a straightforward course on "Survey of Creation Beliefs," or something of that nature, would be interesting and informative. Too bad this person is not really interested in teaching, only in posturing.


5 posted on 12/01/2005 12:02:06 PM PST by Tax-chick ("You don't HAVE to be a fat pervert to speak out about eating too much and lack of morals." ~ LG)
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To: Tax-chick

They were just testing the waters, and were shocked when students actually enrolled. Back to the drawing board.


6 posted on 12/01/2005 12:08:55 PM PST by ican'tbelieveit
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To: ican'tbelieveit

College students can recognize an easy A when they see it.


7 posted on 12/01/2005 12:56:46 PM PST by Tax-chick ("You don't HAVE to be a fat pervert to speak out about eating too much and lack of morals." ~ LG)
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To: Sub-Driver

Dang, I would have loved taking this course. I would have failed, but I would have made the professor life miserable. In fact, I probably would withdraw on the last day I was eligble, so my GPA would not be affected. I would like to hear how someone like this thinks and speaks.


8 posted on 12/01/2005 1:44:23 PM PST by rawhide
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To: rawhide
Looks like the University decide to cut its losses.

I bet the alumni were burning up the phone lines.

9 posted on 12/01/2005 3:20:56 PM PST by mware (That's Christmas with a C, not an X)
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To: Sub-Driver

GOOD!


10 posted on 12/01/2005 7:10:48 PM PST by ViLaLuz (Stop the ACLU - Support the Public Expression of Religion Act 2005 - Call your congressmen.)
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To: Sub-Driver

YEC INTREP


11 posted on 12/01/2005 7:36:42 PM PST by LiteKeeper (Beware the secularization of America)
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To: Sub-Driver; gobucks; mikeus_maximus; MeanWestTexan; JudyB1938; isaiah55version11_0; bondserv; ...
(((Creationist Ping)))



You have been pinged because of your interest regarding matters of Creation vs. Evolution - from the Creationist perspective. Freep-mail me if you want on/off this list.

Colossians 1:16 "For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him."



Why doesn't somebody PING me on this story!

By the way, isn't it interesting that Paul Mirecki was the one they looked to for a November article in USA Today about Intelligent Design? He was in that article pushing an agenda while pretending to be an objective scientist.
12 posted on 12/02/2005 9:43:57 AM PST by DaveLoneRanger (Celebrating my first full year on FR! Has it been one year already?? Has it only been one year??)
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To: rawhide

Only 25 students signed up for the thing.


13 posted on 12/02/2005 9:45:40 AM PST by DaveLoneRanger (Celebrating my first full year on FR! Has it been one year already?? Has it only been one year??)
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To: Sub-Driver

Another in a seemingly endless line of useless college professors.


14 posted on 12/02/2005 9:59:23 AM PST by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: DaveLoneRanger
Add me to the Genisis-predicted-every-step-of-the-latest-cosmological-physics-and-evolution ping list please.

I just can't figure out how a bunch of illiterate wandering shepherds were telling stories about creation long before anybody knew about plasma physics, the Big Bang, mass-energy conversion, solar formation, geophysics, geology, and plant development, and the domestication of mammals.

And these shepherds even knew that birds came from dinosaurs!
15 posted on 12/02/2005 9:59:24 AM PST by Robert A. Cook, PE (-I contribute to FR monthly, but ABBCNNBCBS supports Hillary's Secular Sexual Socialism every day.)
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To: Sub-Driver

Wooh! Hooh!


16 posted on 12/02/2005 10:19:08 AM PST by Jo Nuvark (Those who bless Israel will be blessed, those who curse Israel will be cursed. Gen 12:3)
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE
"And these shepherds even knew that birds came from dinosaurs!"

I must have played hookey from sunday school the day that they revealed that.

17 posted on 12/02/2005 10:27:30 AM PST by editor-surveyor (Atheist and Fool are synonyms; Evolution is where fools hide from the sunrise)
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To: Tax-chick

He may be a creep, but he is a child of God. I think he knows the truth. There is no other reason for his militancy. They say the dog that yelps the loudest is the one the "Rock" hit. We must ask God for him by name.


18 posted on 12/02/2005 10:34:26 AM PST by Jo Nuvark (Those who bless Israel will be blessed, those who curse Israel will be cursed. Gen 12:3)
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To: Tax-chick
By one of those quirks of fate, I have had personal correspondence with Professor Mirecki on biblical issues. He’s a believer as far as I know. He’s not a fundamentalist, if by fundamentalist is meant a believer in the literal meaning of selective portions of the creation accounts.

I bought one of his books as a gift for my parish priest a few years ago, a book called “Gospel of the Savior,” a translation of a late gospel. Since my priest was taking a sabbatical to further study Biblical languages, he was very much pleased with Mirecki's book that includes an interlinear Greek/English section, showcasing the non-canonical gospel.

At any rate, I’m sure the Professor Mirecki regrets his rude outburst, and I hope he continues his contribution to biblical scholarship in the future.

19 posted on 12/02/2005 10:43:11 AM PST by george wythe
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To: george wythe

[...Mirecki is a believer...)

He believes in something, but I don't know that it is Christianity. Read this article from World Net Daily.

Religious Studies Prof Slurs Christians and Jews
World Net Daily ^ | 12-1-05 | Jack Cashill


Posted on 12/01/2005 1:06:53 PM PST by Jo Nuvark


20 posted on 12/02/2005 10:52:57 AM PST by Jo Nuvark (Those who bless Israel will be blessed, those who curse Israel will be cursed. Gen 12:3)
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To: george wythe
FYI…
21 posted on 12/02/2005 11:00:19 AM PST by Heartlander (Doing my part to expose the atheist ‘fundies’… Merry Christmas!)
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To: orionblamblam
... and asks him the Riddle of Steel. If he doesn't know, he'll be cast out of Valhalla and God will laugh at him

Er, dont you mean "Crom"?

22 posted on 12/02/2005 11:02:57 AM PST by Windsong (FighterPilot)
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To: Aquinasfan

Not that you helped your kids get any, right?


23 posted on 12/02/2005 11:03:44 AM PST by Windsong (FighterPilot)
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To: Jo Nuvark
I take the World Net Daily with a grain of salt. Furthermore, all the quotes from Mirecki seemed to reveal a guy with a caustic sense of humor. What I read as sarcasm, the WND author seems to take it literally.

As I already posted, I have had personal correspondence with him, and my experience was that Mirecki was a believer in God. Also, his supposed anti-Catholic bias was missing in our correspondence.

24 posted on 12/02/2005 11:04:33 AM PST by george wythe
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To: Windsong

God, Crom, Cosmic Muffin... whatever.


25 posted on 12/02/2005 11:07:45 AM PST by orionblamblam ("You're the poster boy for what ID would turn out if it were taught in our schools." VadeRetro)
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To: PatrickHenry; Junior

FYI


26 posted on 12/02/2005 11:11:16 AM PST by dread78645 (Sorry Mr. Franklin, We couldn't keep it.)
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To: Heartlander
I know that people change, so I might have an outdated idea of Mirecki's philosophy.

That being said, his posts read like an Emo Philips' routine. Mirecki wrote:

“I had my first Catholic ‘holy communion’ when I was a kid in Chicago and when I took the bread-wafer the first time, it stuck to the roof of my mouth, and as I was secretly trying to pry it off with my tongue as I was walking back to my pew with white clothes and with my hands folded, all I could think was that it was Jesus’ skin, and I started to puke, but I sucked it in and drank my own puke.
Do you really think that the above anecdote is factual? It seems to me that Mirecki's is a manqué humorist.

It reminds me of Emo Philips' joke:

‘When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bike. Then I realized that the Lord doesn’t work that way, so I stole one and asked him to forgive me.’

27 posted on 12/02/2005 11:16:30 AM PST by george wythe
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To: dread78645

Ah, another good thread to take us into the weekend. Cranking up the ping machine ...


28 posted on 12/02/2005 11:16:47 AM PST by PatrickHenry (No response if you're a troll, lunatic, dotard, common scold, or incurable ignoramus.)
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To: VadeRetro; Junior; longshadow; RadioAstronomer; Doctor Stochastic; js1138; Shryke; RightWhale; ...
Evolution Ping

The List-O-Links
A conservative, pro-evolution science list, now with over 320 names.
See the list's explanation, then FReepmail to be added or dropped.
To assist beginners: But it's "just a theory", Evo-Troll's Toolkit,
and How to argue against a scientific theory.

29 posted on 12/02/2005 11:18:01 AM PST by PatrickHenry (No response if you're a troll, lunatic, dotard, common scold, or incurable ignoramus.)
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To: Sub-Driver

Too many militant idiots sign up for the class?


30 posted on 12/02/2005 11:21:58 AM PST by balrog666 (A myth by any other name is still inane.)
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To: Windsong
Not that you helped your kids get any, right?

?

31 posted on 12/02/2005 11:42:43 AM PST by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: rawhide
I would have loved taking this course. I would have failed, but I would have made the professor life miserable.

I'm sure there were many others who felt like you, and that's the real reason why they canceled the course.

A little Christian intimidation always works.

32 posted on 12/02/2005 12:06:49 PM PST by narby (Hillary! The Wicked Witch of the Left)
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To: george wythe
I take the World Net Daily with a grain of salt.

I stopped reading WND when it became a vehicle for Joe Farah's campaign against evolution.

It could have been a serious conservative news outlet with a real future. But Farah's an idiot.

There are lots of us out here with no respect for anti-evolution zealots, as proved by the overwelming loss of all the Dover Pa school board members.

33 posted on 12/02/2005 12:10:37 PM PST by narby (Hillary! The Wicked Witch of the Left)
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To: george wythe

"I’m sure the Professor Mirecki regrets his rude outburst"

If your correspondent is the Professor Mirecki mentioned in the article
linked below...he's still got some 'splaining to do.

http://wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=47664


34 posted on 12/02/2005 12:20:37 PM PST by VOA
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To: george wythe

A tree is known by its fruit. Mirecki's fruit looks more like road kill.


35 posted on 12/02/2005 12:32:26 PM PST by Jo Nuvark (Those who bless Israel will be blessed, those who curse Israel will be cursed. Gen 12:3)
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To: george wythe
What I read as sarcasm, the WND author seems to take it literally.

That's a good point, which might have occurred to me if I didn't have Pregnancy Brain :-).

36 posted on 12/02/2005 1:13:38 PM PST by Tax-chick ("You don't HAVE to be a fat pervert to speak out about eating too much and lack of morals." ~ LG)
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE
"And these shepherds even knew that birds came from dinosaurs!"

And they knew that bats were birds too!! (Leviticus near chapter 13 or so IIRC)

37 posted on 12/02/2005 2:51:01 PM PST by muir_redwoods (Free Sirhan Sirhan, after all, the bastard who killed Mary Jo Kopechne is walking around free)
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To: orionblamblam
... and asks him the Riddle of Steel. If he doesn't know, he'll be cast out of Valhalla and God will laugh at him.

Tha's got to be one of the best movies made; great music too.

38 posted on 12/02/2005 3:51:32 PM PST by Coyoteman (I love the sound of beta decay in the morning!)
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To: rawhide
Dang, I would have loved taking this course. I would have failed, but I would have made the professor life miserable.

So, you would probably support "evo fundies" going into churches, "teaching the controversy," and making people's lives miserable?

You should be glad scientists have more consideration and courtesy than that.

39 posted on 12/02/2005 4:17:53 PM PST by Coyoteman (I love the sound of beta decay in the morning!)
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To: Coyoteman
Courteous placemarker.
40 posted on 12/02/2005 5:29:15 PM PST by PatrickHenry (No response if you're a troll, lunatic, dotard, common scold, or incurable ignoramus.)
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To: Coyoteman
So, you would probably support "evo fundies" going into churches, "teaching the controversy," and making people's lives miserable? You should be glad scientists have more consideration and courtesy than that.

In a church service? No, I would not, but they are welcome to be present and speak up in a class room environment, or a Sunday School class. Sure they are welcome, but I would doubt they would come.

Now back to this course: I would like to take this course and challenge every falsehood that this professor mentions. I would definitely stand up for the creationist's point of view. Professors like this get away with everything because few people want to challenge them and affect their grades, or maybe peer pressure causes them to just be quiet. That would be the least of my concerns. I would ask the professor back up every point that goes against creation, like he would really know, ha! Of course, I would be courteous, but firm in my requests. I am not for loud-mouth actions. I really enjoy hearing 'so-called smart intelligent' people like this prove what little they really know, so that is what would make this an exciting class for me.

41 posted on 12/02/2005 5:30:26 PM PST by rawhide
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Placemarker
42 posted on 12/02/2005 7:14:15 PM PST by PatrickHenry (No response if you're a troll, lunatic, dotard, common scold, or incurable ignoramus.)
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To: Coyoteman

I was told by a Kansan that the class was "withdrawn" rather than cancelled and may be given with someone else teaching it.


43 posted on 12/02/2005 7:38:23 PM PST by From many - one.
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To: rawhide

Um, rawhide, the course wasn't a biology course. YOu'd have wasted your hard-earned money.

Esp since if I taught the course, I'd treat the christian creation myth on equal footing with the 100 or so other top creation myths, and you would sit there and stew (and, oh, perhaps maybe even learn a little something like how your creation myth contains bits and peices of many other creation myths that predate yours by millenia. As if by maaagic.)

But no, you would have only enrolled to be a disruptor. So I'd just fail your ass. Until you withdrew in the nick of time, of course.


44 posted on 12/02/2005 7:53:35 PM PST by whattajoke (I'm back... kinda.)
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To: whattajoke
But no, you would have only enrolled to be a disruptor. So I'd just fail your ass. Until you withdrew in the nick of time, of course.

Sorry, professor, I would enjoy being in your class. Would you care to tell everyone where you teach, if you even do? Yes, I would be a courteous disruptor for the cause of creation vs your pack of lies. You need more faith to believe in your pack of lies, than I do with the creation story. And if you go back to my first post, I would withdraw before you could fail me, ha! But maybe I would accept the failing grade just to stick it out to the end with you. And you call it a waste of money, but I call it a balance to the what you be teaching the other students, and maybe some would not be so gullible to believe your lies, which is all you would be teaching.

45 posted on 12/02/2005 8:21:47 PM PST by rawhide
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To: rawhide; Coyoteman

So, Rawhide, you would have made the profs life miserable.

You know something about creation, resurrection and flood myths that the rest of us don't, perhaps? New aspects of monotheism in dynastic Egypt? A previously unknown and unanticipated Sumerian translation? New insights on the development of winter solstice myths or agriculture and resurrection myths?

And with this wonderful knowledge that you alone possess, rather than share it respectfully with fellow scholars, you would make the profs life miserable. That would be your goal?

I don't think you would last long in the class. It's not like public school. Disprutors can be tossed. I think you need a reality check on how college classes work.


46 posted on 12/03/2005 3:09:02 AM PST by From many - one.
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To: rawhide; whattajoke

You (Rawhide) don't seem to get it.

If the prof is teaching, say, commonalities among New and Old world agricultural resurrection myths, you don't get to disrupt and say the others are wrong. You're there to find out what they are.

Your fellow students will shut you up even before the prof tosses you out.


47 posted on 12/03/2005 3:24:50 AM PST by From many - one.
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To: Tax-chick

"Too bad this person is not really interested in teaching, only in posturing"

Well said!


48 posted on 12/03/2005 9:45:26 AM PST by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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To: From many - one.
Have you ever been to college? The classroom is where learning and discussions are done. We, the students, are not there to be spoon-fed whatever wild hair-brain thoughts a professor might have. We, the students, have a right and a responsibility to challenge the lies that are being taught, even by the so-called 'elite professors'. Back to this course, the purpose of this course that was to be taught is stated by this professor in the original post of this thread: Mirecki recently posted an e-mail on a student organization forum in which he referred to religious conservatives as "fundies" and said a course depicting intelligent design as mythology would be a "nice slap in their big fat face. This guy is just looking for a fight.

If you call a student 'a disruptor' who disagrees with a professor because he is teaching nothing but lies, then I would gladly wear that label. I would have been courteous but firm in my discussions. I would not let this professor get away with spreading his lies. Too many times, these liberal professors get away with filling the minds up of impressionable students without so much of a peep from the students. Well, I read this professor's challenge from his comment that I posted, and I would gladly accept it. to be a part of his class and discussions. I would not fear getting tossed, nor being told to shut up. It is obvious that this guy has an agenda.

49 posted on 12/03/2005 1:48:19 PM PST by rawhide
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To: rawhide

Your post spent a lot of words repeating your prior points.

Unfortunately, you failed to respond to my post other than to question my credentials.

Not only have I taught in college, I taught a specific class in biology for non-science majors.

When the creationism issue came up (only once in a serious way) I explained that the student was in my class to learn what scientists thought. There was no problem since the student involved could see my point. We did have a few interesting after class discussions.


50 posted on 12/03/2005 2:23:58 PM PST by From many - one.
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