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Murtha: Army 'Broken, Worn Out'
http://www.11alive.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=72653 ^ | December 1, 2005

Posted on 12/01/2005 2:04:13 PM PST by johnmecainrino

Murtha: Army 'Broken, Worn Out'

LATROBE, Pa. (AP) -- Most U.S. troops will leave Iraq within a year because the Army is "broken, worn out" and "living hand to mouth," Rep. John Murtha told a civic group.

Two weeks ago, Murtha created a storm of comment when he called for U.S. troops to leave Iraq now. The Democratic congressman spoke to a group of community and business leaders in Latrobe on Wednesday, the same day President Bush said troops would be withdrawn when they've achieved victory, not under an artificial deadline set by politicians.

Murtha predicted most troops will be out of Iraq within a year.

"I predict he'll make it look like we're staying the course," Murtha said, referring to Bush. "Staying the course is not a policy."

Murtha, 73, the ranking Democrat on the House Appropriations defense subcommittee, expressed pessimism about Iraq's stability and said the Iraqis know who the insurgents are, but don't always share that information with U.S. troops. He said a civil war is likely because of ongoing factionalism among Sunni Arabs, and Kurds and Shiites.

He also said he was wrong to vote to support the war.

"I admit I made a mistake when I voted for war," Murtha said. "I'm looking at the future of the United States military."

Murtha, a decorated Vietnam war veteran, said the Pennsylvania National Guard is "stretched so thin" that it won't be able to send fully equipped units to Iraq next year. Murtha predicted it will cost $50 billion to upgrade military equipment nationwide, but says the federal government is already reducing future purchases to save money.

Murtha, who represents a western Pennsylvania district that includes Latrobe, was first elected to Congress in 1974.

Lt. Col. Chris Cleaver, spokesman for the Pennsylvania National Guard at Fort Indiantown Gap, said "there are some deployment concerns."

Cleaver said some guard units had to leave equipment in Iraq when they returned to the United States, which could cause training problems here.

But Cleaver also said most of the 2,100 Guard troops now deployed with the 2nd Brigade Combat Team can't be sent back to Iraq for a second tour of duty anyway, because of regulations that limit redeployment.


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1 posted on 12/01/2005 2:04:13 PM PST by johnmecainrino
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To: johnmecainrino

What the hail would he know?


2 posted on 12/01/2005 2:05:31 PM PST by yldstrk (My heros have always been cowboys-Reagan and Bush)
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To: johnmecainrino

my bad

mods delete

dupe


3 posted on 12/01/2005 2:05:34 PM PST by johnmecainrino
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To: johnmecainrino; Admin Moderator
If you would have searched on even "Murtha", you would have found this duplicate post.
5 posted on 12/01/2005 2:06:48 PM PST by TChris ("Unless you act, you're going to lose your world." - Mark Steyn)
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To: johnmecainrino

They misunderstood him. He was talking about his wife.


6 posted on 12/01/2005 2:07:13 PM PST by conservativecorner
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To: johnmecainrino
I hope Senator Murtha is the recipient of much angry mail from our BRAVE men and women currently helping the Iraqi citizens strengthen their country.
7 posted on 12/01/2005 2:07:39 PM PST by msnimje (Bob Woodward is the GRINCH who stole Fitzmas............Cindy Lou (sheehan) WHO?)
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To: TChris

HEY NEWBIE, are you the post police for today? This item should be posted multiple times a day. Don't read it if it is old news to you.


8 posted on 12/01/2005 2:08:40 PM PST by freeplancer
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To: johnmecainrino

Murtha seems to do a really good job of encouraging our enemies.


9 posted on 12/01/2005 2:11:34 PM PST by ghost of nixon
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To: johnmecainrino
"Murtha: Army 'Broken, Worn Out"

This jacka@@ has his head buried in the sand. He should retire.
10 posted on 12/01/2005 2:11:51 PM PST by Logical me (Oh, well!!!)
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To: freeplancer
HEY NEWBIE

HEY PINHEAD

Cool, I can play that game too. ;-)

Relax a little, mmmmm kaaaay?

Duplicate posts are against FR posting policy. If you don't like that policy, talk to JimRob about it.

Dupes just eat up more of Jim's limited resources and cumulatively waste people's time.

"Search twice; post once."

11 posted on 12/01/2005 2:15:29 PM PST by TChris ("Unless you act, you're going to lose your world." - Mark Steyn)
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To: All

Murtha is the broken down tired old man - obviously getting senile to boot - not to mention he is a frickin' @hole


12 posted on 12/01/2005 2:16:25 PM PST by michaelbfree
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To: johnmecainrino
What would Murtha have said in January, 1942? At that time what was left of the Army was broken. There wasn't much left to be worn out. We didn't have much of an Air Force. A good deal of our Naval power was sitting on the bottom of Pearl Harbor. And German U-boats were sinking merchant ships within site of the east coast and there was little we could do about it.

I guess we should have asked the Japanese and the Germans for terms at that point. Maybe Murtha thinks things have to get that bad again to justify a fight. Murtha is a tired old man who should just step aside.
13 posted on 12/01/2005 2:16:35 PM PST by ml1954 (NOT the disruptive troll seen frequently on CREVO threads)
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To: michaelbfree

Murtha is the broken down tired old man

You beat me by 10 seconds.

14 posted on 12/01/2005 2:18:31 PM PST by ml1954 (NOT the disruptive troll seen frequently on CREVO threads)
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To: johnmecainrino

He sounds as f*****g stoopid as John Traitor Kerry.


15 posted on 12/01/2005 2:19:26 PM PST by pissant
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To: johnmecainrino

Of course, he has the right to say what he wants, but when the media makes a deliberate choice to circulate his remarks far beyond what they would do for another elected official of a different stripe, we have to question both intention and purpose. And, maybe, even start to think about challenging broadcast licenses in the public interest.


16 posted on 12/01/2005 2:23:29 PM PST by Continental Soldier
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To: pissant

He is.


17 posted on 12/01/2005 2:23:42 PM PST by sgtbono2002
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To: ml1954

I wish some Rs would turn the "broken and worn out" phrase against the 'Rats and start proclaiming that it is the Demagogic Party and its leaders which is "broken and worn out"!!!!!!! That phrase could become the new tag-line to describe the demagogues who are trying to drag the mission in Iraq into their puerile and pathetic world of defeat and surrender. I'm sorry, Rep. Murtha, if you think your honored military service makes your word in politics unquestionable, but there are lots and lots of other distinguished veterans who now despise you for your recent attempts to degrade our military and our government.


18 posted on 12/01/2005 2:24:21 PM PST by Enchante (Democrats: "We are ALL broken and worn out, our party & ideas, what else is new?")
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To: sgtbono2002

He's been Pelosified!


19 posted on 12/01/2005 2:24:48 PM PST by pissant
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To: TChris
cumulatively waste people's time - I won't argue with what Jim wants to do, its his baby, BUT, I appreciate sometimes when there is a repost (this one was 6 hours later). I personally think (IMHO) it should be okay to re-post maybe after 3-4 hours, for those people that only come on a couple of times a day and maybe do not spend their day here.
20 posted on 12/01/2005 2:32:49 PM PST by SF Republican
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To: johnmecainrino
Image hosted by Photobucket.com what ever you say there SunTzu...
21 posted on 12/01/2005 2:33:56 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist )
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To: johnmecainrino

Murtha is a sissified ex-Marine who has become a goffer for nancy pelosi. Marines don't fall much lower than that.


22 posted on 12/01/2005 2:35:36 PM PST by caisson71
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To: TChris

All hail the post police.

They aspire to be grammar police.


23 posted on 12/01/2005 2:37:52 PM PST by USAFJeeper
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To: johnmecainrino; TChris; All

First, Thank you johnmecainrino, THANK YOU for posting this !! I didn't get to see or hear what "teflon-because-I-fought-in-a-war-and-i'm-old" crap from the "NEW mouthpiece of the DNC" murtha spewed TODAY. Thanks for posting it as I haven't yet seen the "other" thread.

As for TChris.....can you smell the "ozone"????


25 posted on 12/01/2005 2:41:27 PM PST by musicman
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To: USAFJeeper
They aspire to be grammar police.

Oh, I suppose I could do that too, but I don't want to be a jerk. :-)

26 posted on 12/01/2005 2:41:54 PM PST by TChris ("Unless you act, you're going to lose your world." - Mark Steyn)
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To: johnmecainrino

"Staying the course is not a policy."

I guess he has trouble remembering his Semper Fi training?

AND

"I admit I made a mistake when I voted for war," Murtha said. "I'm looking at the future of the United States military."

What is the military to Murtha? A big family that gives Dim Wing Nut handouts to the good chillens? The hand out era is over? Surprise, surprise!

The problem is that the military had 8 years of Clintonization and now it is getting back to normal and the Clintonian military supporters don't like the military
changing back into an effective projection of foreign policy. The military is being ruined because it is an all volunteer effective fighting force, not a semi-armed peace corps?

Little do I believe that the "military" is worn out. Why would the re-up rates be so high in theater, if that was true? Murthra is a desparado rep who is about to become unelected. Now his whining is invoking an intense dislike in our citizenry.


27 posted on 12/01/2005 3:01:21 PM PST by Candor7 (Into Liberal Flatulence Goes the Hope of the West)
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To: johnmecainrino
The all slammed Bush for not serving in Vietnam, yet he is showing more balls then those Senators/Congressman that have.

Kerry/Murtha 2008 WIMPHERO Ticket!


28 posted on 12/01/2005 3:10:38 PM PST by Bommer (Serving in the military doesn't excuse you from being an @sshole! Just ask Kerry, McCain, & Murtha!)
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To: All

The mods decide when a duplicate should be pulled.
A simple thing.
Too many people have yet to understand that.


29 posted on 12/01/2005 3:11:28 PM PST by somemoreequalthanothers (All for the betterment of "the state", comrade)
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To: michaelbfree
Just a thought: It would be interesting to see just what this "hero" did in Viet Nam.

I know for a fact that Bronze Stars were awarded to the senior and field-grade officers -- just like good conduct ribbons for the troops -- sort of like like popcorn at the movies. Everyone had some.

All one had to do was stay vertical -- and pass the PCOD! *S* I wrote those awards up with tongue-in-cheek -- all part of the days routine; usually late at night, after finishing up serious work: the frag for the next day's Rolling Thunder joint strike ops, etc.

So, if Murtha was a real hot shot -- let's hear it?

I doubt it very much, thank you!!

All in a day's work.
30 posted on 12/01/2005 3:11:59 PM PST by dk/coro
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To: johnmecainrino
Murtha does not have a clue as to the effectiveness of todays military. It is light years beyond whatever he experienced in Viet Nam in 1967. Today's military is the most effective military machine on earth because it is composed of men and women from all levels of American life who volunteered to join. The all volunteer military is something Murtha does not get. He is one who would reinstate the draft.

Is Murtha going senile or something? The guy needs to get on some meds!
31 posted on 12/01/2005 3:14:37 PM PST by jonrick46
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To: Continental Soldier

"Of course, he has the right to say what he wants"

Well, perhaps, but what about my right to demand he be tried for treason?


32 posted on 12/01/2005 3:14:41 PM PST by Veritas et equitas ad Votum (If the Constitution "lives and breathes", it dies.)
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To: johnmecainrino
Most U.S. troops will leave Iraq within a year because the Army is "broken, worn out" and "living hand to mouth," Rep. John Murtha told a civic group.

Senility is so sad to see in a once brave man.

33 posted on 12/01/2005 3:17:33 PM PST by Mike Darancette (Mesocons for Rice '08)
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To: Mike Darancette
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34 posted on 12/01/2005 3:27:27 PM PST by MilleniumBug
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To: johnmecainrino

Murtha is broken and need to be retired for a new model that is an American.


35 posted on 12/01/2005 3:34:31 PM PST by Soul Seeker (Mr. President: It is now time to turn over the money changers' tables.)
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To: Bommer

Vietnam sired two types of people.

G.W.B. vs. the Clinton's

John Kerry vs. John O'Neil

On one side we have the losers, the people that brought down the United States Government and standing in the world. The people that Left Vietnamese to be murdered. The people responsible for the 'nam vets being split on, and for the higher concentration of emotional damage and suicide rates because they were told they were baby killers.

On the other side we have people that love this country. Knew that war was lost in D.C., not in the swamps. Knew that a Strong U.S. was to our benefit and those that yearn for Freedom. Knew in their souls that our troops are our brightest, most heroric and honorable given they are willing to give their life so that others may have life.

G.W.B. witnessed the 'peace' movement and turned his back on it. G.W.B witnessed the cowardice in D.C., and as result will not waver.

The opposite was true of those like the Clinton's.

I'd take a 1000 like G.W.B over someone like Kerry or Murtha that learned all the wrong lessons from Vietnam.


36 posted on 12/01/2005 3:43:20 PM PST by Soul Seeker (Mr. President: It is now time to turn over the money changers' tables.)
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To: yldstrk
CONTACT THIS CUT & RUN COWARD:
800-289-2642 from Western PA
(or)
814-535-2642
(or)
202-225-2065

37 posted on 12/01/2005 3:43:46 PM PST by Recovering_Democrat (I am SO glad to no longer be associated with the party of Dependence on Government!)
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To: Recovering_Democrat

Mail box full. Do you have a fax #?


38 posted on 12/01/2005 3:46:18 PM PST by swheats
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To: johnmecainrino

just another big mouth dim wit


39 posted on 12/01/2005 3:46:39 PM PST by vigilante2 (proud parent of a soldier)
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To: johnmecainrino

You can think Bill Clinton for that.


40 posted on 12/01/2005 3:46:58 PM PST by sport
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To: johnmecainrino

That sounds like an excellent description of Muthra!


41 posted on 12/01/2005 3:51:14 PM PST by Redleg Duke (9/11 - "WE WILL NEVER FORGET!")
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To: johnmecainrino
The army broken and worn out? I don't know about the Army, but there's this old and busted Congressman that needs to be put out to pasture.
42 posted on 12/01/2005 3:55:22 PM PST by semaj (qu)
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To: semaj


43 posted on 12/01/2005 4:03:19 PM PST by semaj (.....and by their fruit you shall know them.)
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To: swheats
Do you have a fax #?

YEAH, I'VE GOT THIS CLOWN'S FAX:

814-539-6229 -- District
202-225-5709 -- Washington

44 posted on 12/01/2005 4:06:59 PM PST by Recovering_Democrat (I am SO glad to no longer be associated with the party of Dependence on Government!)
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To: Recovering_Democrat

Thanks fax sent.


45 posted on 12/01/2005 4:36:12 PM PST by swheats
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To: johnmecainrino

John Murtha is a traitor to this country.


46 posted on 12/01/2005 4:47:16 PM PST by tomahawk
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To: johnmecainrino

What a worn-out old p**ck.


47 posted on 12/01/2005 6:22:33 PM PST by BlackjackPershing (Laissez les bon temps roulez)
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To: Recovering_Democrat

Fax sent: RESIGN TRAITOR!


48 posted on 12/01/2005 6:26:06 PM PST by BlackjackPershing (Laissez les bon temps roulez)
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To: Recovering_Democrat

Ask him if he meant "Marines" or just the Army... surely he can give us specific examples, right?


49 posted on 12/01/2005 7:11:00 PM PST by SteveMcKing ("No empire collapses because of technical reasons. They collapse because they are unnatural.")
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To: johnmecainrino

Boy, that Dick Cheney. He sure is evil!

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Ok, ok. Thank you. Thank you. All right. Our first guest is Congressman John
Murtha, a fierce hawk and recent critic of the Iraq War.

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Welcome, Congressman! Now, the press has been hammering this point pretty
hard all week. It's true, isn't it, I mean regarding Iraq, that you've always been a
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That's correct, Bill.

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So why the sudden turnabout. Why now?

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Bill, our Army is broken! Worn out! Troops are living hand to mouth and moral is
low! Lower than I've ever seen it! I want everyone in the entire world to
understand what I am about to say: We can not win in Iraq! WE CAN NOT
WIN IN IRAQ!!

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Whooooooooooooooo! Whoop!Whoop! Whooooo!!

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EFFING A!!!

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Christopher Hitchens, you have a point to make...

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Yes, thank you, Bill. I would like to point out to the congressman that.....

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Now just a darn minute there, young fella. The tombstones at Arlington National
Cemetery don't say Democrat or Republican. They say American!

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That is a complete non sequitur.

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Fascist! Fascist! Fascist!

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Carrot Top, you have anything to add? No? Well, good night, folks.

50 posted on 12/01/2005 7:16:11 PM PST by Roscoe Karns
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