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Evangelist Luis Palau Regrets Remarks on Religious Freedom in China
www.crosswalk.com ^ | Dec 1, 2005 | Patrick Goodenough

Posted on 12/02/2005 6:48:46 AM PST by Esther Ruth

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1 posted on 12/02/2005 6:48:47 AM PST by Esther Ruth
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To: Esther Ruth

Sure. Sign up for the state-approved and state-monitored list of churches. You'll be able to freely worship at will. Suuuuure you will.


2 posted on 12/02/2005 6:52:01 AM PST by Choose Ye This Day (Win the war. Confirm the judges. Cut the taxes. Control the spending. Secure the border.)
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To: Esther Ruth

I can't believe this character has the unmitigated gall to call himself a Christian, let alone a pastor.


3 posted on 12/02/2005 6:58:39 AM PST by wideawake
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To: Esther Ruth

This really makes me mad. I have listened to this man and read his articles and he is a fine christian, but the minute he has a chance to explain to the president about what the real persecution is in China he screws it all up!!!! Did he tell the president that China isn't all that bad? Obviously Mr Palau did not make his mind ready for spiritual deception and now he has possibly brought the president in on it. This is really disappointing and discouraging.


4 posted on 12/02/2005 7:02:24 AM PST by Lemondropkid31 (Conroe, TX)
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To: Lemondropkid31
he is a fine christian

Wrong.

5 posted on 12/02/2005 7:03:43 AM PST by wideawake
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To: Choose Ye This Day
You suppose this spirit of appeasement is contagious? Could this appeasement virus be spread by physical contact or airborne? Maybe someone will soon pronounce Communism a peaceful form of government?

1Peter 4:12 Beloved, think it not strange concerning the fiery trial which is to try you, as though some strange thing happened unto you:
6 posted on 12/02/2005 7:03:56 AM PST by Esther Ruth (I have loved thee with an EVERLASTING LOVE, Jeremiah 31:3 Genesis 12:1-3 ***ZECH 12:3)
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To: wideawake

Just saying wrong doesn't show anything. Please back up your, uhh, statement.


7 posted on 12/02/2005 7:05:06 AM PST by Lemondropkid31 (Conroe, TX)
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To: Lemondropkid31
Obviously Mr Palau did not make his mind ready for spiritual deception and now he has possibly brought the president in on it.
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Wow! Worth repeating - and can it be - could this be the case - spiritual deception or attack? I just cannot believe (again) that anyone could truly be ignorant of the situation over there.
8 posted on 12/02/2005 7:08:08 AM PST by Esther Ruth (I have loved thee with an EVERLASTING LOVE, Jeremiah 31:3 Genesis 12:1-3 ***ZECH 12:3)
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To: Lemondropkid31
Please back up

Anyone who supports the persecution of other Christians in order to curry favor with a despot in the hopes of expanding his own ministry has turned against the Church.

He is what the apostle Paul referred to in 2 Timothy 3: 12-13 as a seducer, a person who has attempted to lead Christians out of their obedience.

While it is possible that he may be severely developmentally disabled and therefore unaware of or unable to comprehend the extremely well-documented persecution of Christians by the Chinese government, I think that he is actually in full possession of his faculties.

Therefore, he did not act out of ignorance of stupidity and is completely culpable for his vile actions.

9 posted on 12/02/2005 7:15:32 AM PST by wideawake
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To: wideawake

what do you know about his preaching? is it biblical??


10 posted on 12/02/2005 7:17:28 AM PST by wallcrawlr (http://www.bionicear.com)
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To: Esther Ruth
I just cannot believe (again) that anyone could truly be ignorant of the situation over there.

No serious American Christian, let alone a self-proclaimed pastor and evangelist, is ignorant of the situation over there.

Palau's pleading ignorance in this case is really an insult to our intelligence.

11 posted on 12/02/2005 7:17:33 AM PST by wideawake
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Some argue that it is not:

http://www.rapidnet.com/~jbeard/bdm/exposes/palau/general.htm

The linked assessment may or may not be unduly harsh.

And as a Roman Catholic myself, you probably wouldn't trust my personal assessment of what is or is not biblical - even though I search the Scriptures every day.

My criticism is that one simply cannot tell Christians to submit themselves to the Chinese government instead of to Christ and to the pastors that Christ has given them.

12 posted on 12/02/2005 7:23:09 AM PST by wideawake
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what do you know about his preaching? is it biblical??

Yes. The sermons I've heard have been very similar to the types of things I've heard preached by Billy Graham. He preaches Christ, Christ crucified, and risen again. He preaches the Grace and Mercy of our Lord.

I heard him live a few years back and his preaching was powerful and Spirit-filled.
13 posted on 12/02/2005 7:24:35 AM PST by Texas2step (<><)
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To: wideawake

He has not done anything that you claim he has, and he regrets his remarks. What part of what he said do you not understand. You have got to be totally NOT in control of YOUR faculties to think he actually supports christian persecution. You have no idea who Mr Palau is and you are making statements that prove it.


14 posted on 12/02/2005 7:24:57 AM PST by Lemondropkid31 (Conroe, TX)
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To: Esther Ruth

" I just cannot believe (again) that anyone could truly be ignorant of the situation over there."

It is amazing what Satan can do to somebody in an uncompromising position, and when you enter such a godless country as China, you are in that position. I would consider this to be both deception and attack, and its doubly bad because he has influenced the president in some way.


15 posted on 12/02/2005 7:27:20 AM PST by Lemondropkid31 (Conroe, TX)
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To: wideawake
No serious American Christian, let alone a self-proclaimed pastor and evangelist, is ignorant of the situation over there.

Well, I consider myself a "serious" American Christian, and I was not aware that there were even any openly Christian churches, state-registered or not.

We weren't there. Perhaps they really pulled the wool over his eyes and deceived him about the actual acceptance of Christianity and he said some things he shouldn't have.

He made a mistake, and he owned up to it as soon as he realized the true situation. That make's him evil?

Man, us Christians sure do know all about mercy and grace, huh? One mess-up, and it's time for a crucifixion!
16 posted on 12/02/2005 7:28:59 AM PST by Texas2step (<><)
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To: Lemondropkid31
It is amazing what Satan can do to somebody in an uncompromising position, and when you enter such a godless country as China, you are in that position.

Thank you for some words of wisdom on this thread.
17 posted on 12/02/2005 7:30:11 AM PST by Texas2step (<><)
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To: wideawake
And as a Roman Catholic myself, you probably wouldn't trust my personal assessment of what is or is not biblical

ha ha thanks for that disclaimer... ;)

I will go research him for myself. I agree...we should not put anything between ourselves and Jesus. Submit to an earthly authority but there is only one God.
The chinese have much to account for with their religious persecution.

18 posted on 12/02/2005 7:33:10 AM PST by wallcrawlr (http://www.bionicear.com)
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To: Lemondropkid31
He has not done anything that you claim he has

There is only one thing I claim that he has done, and the article above describes it.

Take issue with the author of the article - but Palau apparently isn't denying that he gave the vile advice he gave.

and he regrets his remarks

He says he regrets some of his remarks.

What part of what he said do you not understand.

You are the one who is apparently unable to grasp the import of his comments.

He said that Christians should register with the fake "official" churches of China, and then he Clintonesquely said "it's not my role" to suggest that.

Either it is right or it is not right for a Christian to apostatize in favor of the Chinese government policy. His final response indicates that while he used to advocate apostasy, he is now expressing no opinion either way because it is not "his role."

That's indefensible.

You have got to be totally NOT in control of YOUR faculties to think he actually supports christian persecution.

He advocated that Christians apostatize from their faith and join the official Chinese-run churches that actively persecute real Christians. These official state churches infiltrate real congregations and spy on real Christians for the government.

At first he said that Christians should join these persecutors and now he is saying that it's not his role to advise people to persecute Christians or not persecute Christians. He's just washing his hands and walking away.

You have no idea who Mr Palau is and you are making statements that prove it.

Palau is an elderly gentleman from Argentina who is affiliated with the Multnomah school of evangelism. He is a world traveler who preaches everywhere in a Billy Grahamish mold.

Am I missing any salient points?

Just because you have formed a personal attachment to the guy for whatever reason does not put his egregious actions above criticism.

19 posted on 12/02/2005 7:39:25 AM PST by wideawake
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I was not aware that there were even any openly Christian churches, state-registered or not.

That's an amazing statement. I'm not sure what school of Christianity you identify with but the Southern Baptist, Catholic, conservative Lutheran, Assemblies of God and large nondenominationals have been all over the situation in China for decades, informing their congregations about the persecutions over there and the struggles Christians are going through in China.

There have been thousands of stories in the Christian media about the situation for years and hundreds of stories even in the MSM, including the Washington Post, NY Times, Wall Street journal, CNN, FNC and others.

He made a mistake, and he owned up to it as soon as he realized the true situation.

You mischaracterize the situation.

he started by advocating that Christians apostatize.

When actual Christians raised a hue and cry about this vile advice, he responded by saying "Um, I have no opinion any more. Not my role. Do what you want."

A true Christian would express solidarity with millions of Chinese Christians being persecuted by the Chinese government - he wouldn't just slink off and say "forget the whole thing."

Man, us Christians sure do know all about mercy and grace, huh?

If he had said: "I was wrong. The Chinese government should immediately stop persecuting Christians and allow all Chinese Christians to worship freely without government interference" you would have a point.

But someone who, in effect, says that it doesn't matter to him one way or another if the Chinese government persecutes Christians - well grace may be free, but it is not cheap.

20 posted on 12/02/2005 7:51:12 AM PST by wideawake
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