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Will The Real Murtha Stand Up?
Investor's Business Daily ^ | 11/21/2005

Posted on 12/02/2005 11:01:39 AM PST by george76

National Security: Contrary to popular opinion, Rep. John Murtha, the decorated ex-Marine who called for an immediate withdrawal from Iraq, is no hawk.

He may also soon be probed for misusing defense appropriations.

"If you want anything done on the committee, you go to Murtha."

He's delivered so much pork to his congressional district, an airport and a major highway are named after Murtha.

Ashdown and his nonpartisan watchdog group criticized Murtha for using the $417 billion fiscal 2005 Pentagon spending bill to give business to his lobbyist brother.

The Los Angeles Times in June reported that Murtha funneled nearly $21 million to 10 or more corporate clients of KSA Consulting, where Robert "Kit" Murtha is a senior partner.

Carmen Scialabba, a Murtha congressional aide for 27 years, is also a high-ranking official at KSA.

The newspaper Roll Call reported that there might be a House ethics committee investigation of Murtha's apparent improprieties.

But is that possible now that Murtha has become the media's "hawk with a conscience?"

Come to think of it, could Murtha have been thinking about a possible ethics investigation when he decided to throw himself into the public limelight last week?

(Excerpt) Read more at investors.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Alaska; US: Arkansas; US: California; US: District of Columbia; US: Pennsylvania; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: 109th; abscam; bush; cutnrunmurtha; exmarine; iraq; ksa; losangelestimes; murtha; pentagon; rollcall; scialabba; taxpayerscommonsense

1 posted on 12/02/2005 11:01:40 AM PST by george76
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To: george76

senile.


2 posted on 12/02/2005 11:02:27 AM PST by Brilliant
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To: george76

Freepers have been ahead of this author by WEEKS...

We have been saying this since before the House vote...


3 posted on 12/02/2005 11:03:45 AM PST by Txsleuth (9/11NEVER FORGET-NEVER SURRENDER, Sam Johnson, a REAL hero!)
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To: Brilliant

Murtha threw the US military under the bus to distract attention for his questionable dealings.


4 posted on 12/02/2005 11:04:12 AM PST by stocksthatgoup (Polls = Proof that when the MSM want your opinion it will give it to you.)
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To: Brilliant

Duke Murtha?


5 posted on 12/02/2005 11:06:16 AM PST by billhilly (If you're lurking here from DU (Democrats unglued), I trust this post will make you sick.)
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To: stocksthatgoup

For the past three years, Rep. John Murtha (D-Pa.), the ranking member of the Defense Appropriations Subcommittee, has been the No. 1 beneficiary of defense campaign donations in the House and has not fallen below No. 3 for Congress as a whole.

In fact, for just the 2006 cycle, Murtha ranks No. 1 overall, with $188,350 in donations from the defense industry. House Armed Services Committee Chairman Duncan Hunter (R-Calif.) follows with $118,350.

In 2004, Murtha ranked behind only President Bush and his Democratic opponent, Sen. John Kerry, in overall defense-industry contributions, with $284,750.

During the 2002 election cycle, when Murtha was forced to campaign for his seat because of state redistricting that pitted him against a fellow congressman in the primary, he again scored No. 1 in all Congress, pulling in $309,299 in political donations from defense companies.

http://www.hillnews.com/thehill/export/TheHill/News/Frontpage/101805/spending.html


6 posted on 12/02/2005 11:06:59 AM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: stocksthatgoup
Murtha threw the US military under the bus to distract attention for his questionable dealings.

And he knows that the MSM now has his back.

7 posted on 12/02/2005 11:07:55 AM PST by Semper Paratus
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To: Brilliant

"In one case, a small Arkansas manufacturer of military vehicles who was a KSA client was awarded $1.7 million — triple its total sales for 2004."

"One defense contractor based in Murtha's home state of Pennsylvania even told the Times he hired KSA on the recommendation of a top Murtha aide."


8 posted on 12/02/2005 11:10:06 AM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: george76
Political Graveyard's List of Politicians Who Got Into Trouble or Disgrace

John Patrick Murtha, Jr. (b. 1932) (also known as John P. Murtha) of Johnstown, Cambria County, Pa.
* Born in New Martinsville, Wetzel County, W.Va., June 17, 1932.
* Democrat.
* Served in the U.S. Marine Corps during the Vietnam War
* Member of Pennsylvania state house of representatives, 1969-74
* U.S. Representative from Pennsylvania 12th District, 1974-
* Elected unopposed 1992
* Delegate to Democratic National Convention from Pennsylvania, 2000, 2004

* Implicated in the Abscam sting, in which FBI agents impersonating Arab businessmen offered bribes to political figures;
never charged, but cited by the grand jury in 1980 as an unindicted co-conspirator.

9 posted on 12/02/2005 11:11:24 AM PST by Zacs Mom (Proud wife of a Marine! ... and purveyor of "rampant, unedited dialogue")
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To: Semper Paratus

"And he knows that the MSM now has his back."

This story about Murtha does not surprise me. He was one of a numer of House Demorcrats and one Republican who were involved with the 1979 ABSCAM investigation. He, as I recall, was the one that was able to slip away.


10 posted on 12/02/2005 11:13:33 AM PST by wmileo
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To: Zacs Mom

Lobbyist's Brother Guided House Bill

A family member's ties to special interests raise questions in the case of Democrat John Murtha.

By Ken Silverstein and Richard Simon
Times Staff Writers

June 13, 2005

WASHINGTON — When Congress passed the $417-billion Pentagon spending bill last year, Rep. John P. Murtha, the top Democrat on the House defense appropriations subcommittee, boasted about the money he secured to create jobs in his Pennsylvania district.

But the bill Murtha helped write also benefited at least 10 companies represented by a lobbying firm where his brother, Robert "Kit" Murtha, is a senior partner, according to disclosure records, interviews and an analysis of the bill by The Times.

Clients of the lobbying firm KSA Consulting — whose top officials also include former congressional aide Carmen V. Scialabba, who worked for Rep. Murtha for 27 years — received a total of $20.8 million from the bill.

One of the clients, a small Arkansas maker of military vehicles, received $1.7 million, triple its total sales for 2004. Several other clients received money that represented more than half of their annual sales from last year.

http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:U-IrKdIGzTMJ:www.livejournal.com/~mparent7777/103785.html+Kit+Murtha&hl=en


11 posted on 12/02/2005 11:14:28 AM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: george76
...boasted about the money he secured to create jobs...

Politicians are incapable of creating jobs.

12 posted on 12/02/2005 11:17:59 AM PST by FerdieMurphy (For English press one. Only in America!)
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To: Brilliant

I agree (see my tag line).


13 posted on 12/02/2005 11:19:02 AM PST by msnimje (Everyday there is a new example of the Democrats "Culture of Dementia")
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To: george76

Just another example of why we should demand term limits on all elected representatives. Once these dolts get into office, they lose sight of what they're there for.


14 posted on 12/02/2005 11:22:41 AM PST by FatherFig1o155 (A conservative in NJ, and proud of it. The conservative part, that is.)
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But... but... HALLIBURTON!!!! CH-CH-CH-CHENEYYYYYYYY! OIL!!!!!!! Yeargh.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05165/521223.stm


15 posted on 12/02/2005 11:25:50 AM PST by oolatec
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To: george76
OK here it goes, I will not sit around and listen anymore to the MSM claiming Murtha is a war vet congressman that has it right and is speaking in an honorable fashion. I'm sickened at this administration praising Murtha before saying he's wrong. I will say it, Murtha is a coward, traitor, enemy spokesperson, propagandist for the enemy and has it wrong! Who gives a crap that he served given that he's dishonoring our current servicemen by his BS mouth? Maybe Murtha went to Cambodia on secret missions too?
16 posted on 12/02/2005 11:28:56 AM PST by tobyhill (The War on Terrorism is not for the weak.)
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To: stocksthatgoup

"Murtha threw the US military under the bus to distract attention for his questionable dealings."

And for that I hope they hang him high!


17 posted on 12/02/2005 11:31:57 AM PST by DarthVader (Do something positive for America today: Insult an America hating leftie.)
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To: george76

This link to a page of Murtha ethics posts may show why he came out of nowhere with his bring the troops home now garbage.

This couldn't be an effort to stave off an investigation into his life could it? I mean now he can say the probe is politically motivated - payback for his back stabbing of the WOT effort. Or house dim leadership may have promised him protection from the investigation if he became their new pawn a la sindee sheehan.

Nah, they wouldn't do that /s

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/search?s=murtha+ethics&ok=Search&q=quick&m=any&o=score&SX=4390a17c23369325ec3d9bfc53c252add8f8cf7a


18 posted on 12/02/2005 11:39:01 AM PST by Let's Roll ( "Congressmen who ... undermine the military ... should be arrested, exiled or hanged" - A. Lincoln)
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To: george76

Let me first say that I have nothing but the greatest respect for Rep. Murtha...


19 posted on 12/02/2005 11:42:39 AM PST by PeoplesRepublicOfWashington (Dream Ticket: Cheney/Rice '08)
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To: Let's Roll; Mo1; Marine_Uncle; river rat

Thanks for the link....

"It's not the first time Congressman Murtha has had a problem with ethics"

"Though not indicted .. he was involved with ABSCAM"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abscam

7 posted on 11/21/2005 9:18:30 AM PST by Mo1

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1526109/posts


20 posted on 12/02/2005 11:46:27 AM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: george76

I can predict the first words to come out of the Dems' mouths if an investigation is started against Murtha...

WITCH HUNT!


21 posted on 12/02/2005 11:53:00 AM PST by MplsSteve
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To: Zacs Mom; Marine_Uncle; george76
Sweetness & Light - Jack Murtha - From ABSCAM to Amscray
22 posted on 12/02/2005 11:57:26 AM PST by smoothsailing
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To: smoothsailing
Nice picture and link...


23 posted on 12/02/2005 12:00:01 PM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: george76
It gets better....

Murtha - "Don't Indict Me, I'm A Whistleblower"

24 posted on 12/02/2005 12:07:51 PM PST by smoothsailing
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To: DarthVader

"Murtha threw the US military under the bus to distract attention for his questionable dealings."

And for that I hope they hang him high!

Col. North said that Murtha was about to be investigated, and that His Smear of our Military was a Diversion so when the Crap Hit the fan, the media would cover for Him by saying that the investigation was in retaliation for Murthas attack on the American military.

If True, Murtha and the Democrats, Especially Nancy "Pinko" Pelosi are seditious Traitors
at Best.

But don't worry Maddame Bin will tell John Kerry what to say next week about it.


25 posted on 12/02/2005 12:16:48 PM PST by LtKerst (Lt Kerst)
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To: smoothsailing

Reference: ABSCAM. It would appear Jack old boy is not so honorable as one might imagine. A continuing saga between honor/honesty and human frailty.


26 posted on 12/02/2005 12:27:50 PM PST by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned)
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To: Brilliant
senile.

No. Traitor!

27 posted on 12/02/2005 12:29:55 PM PST by Bommer (Serving in the military doesn't excuse you from being an @sshole! Just ask Kerry, McCain, & Murtha!)
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To: george76

Sheppard Smith just now had a temper tantrum while taking up for Murtha. I have vowed to no longer watch a SS show on FNC..


28 posted on 12/02/2005 12:31:29 PM PST by JFC (W, I am with YA)
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To: JFC

Yes, SS is very lucky to have a job.

Rarely can I watch him for more than ten seconds.


29 posted on 12/02/2005 12:38:07 PM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: tobyhill
I will say it, Murtha is a coward, traitor, enemy spokesperson, propagandist for the enemy and has it wrong!

Exactly right. John Murtha, meet Benedict Arnold, another war hero. I'm sure you two will have lots to talk about when you meet each other....

30 posted on 12/02/2005 12:39:29 PM PST by COBOL2Java (The Katrina Media never gets anything right, so why should I believe them?)
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To: stocksthatgoup
"Murtha threw the US military under the bus to distract attention for his questionable dealings."

He threw the US Military AND the American people under that bus.

31 posted on 12/02/2005 12:48:54 PM PST by GloriaJane (http://music.download.com/gloriajane "Merry Christmas To Our Troops In Iraq (My Hero's)")
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To: george76

Murtha is a fraud and Nancy Pelosi helped Murtha come up with this pull out of Iraq idea .. per Harold Fineman

IMO .. this pull out stunt was nothing but a cover


http://msnbc.msn.com/id/10118733/site/newsweek/

(snip)
Which was precisely what the Democratic leadership wanted Murtha to do. A close ally, Democratic leader Nancy Pelosi, was anxious to open a second axis of attack on Iraq—and was aware of his growing antagonism toward the war. The two met and agreed that he would make his case in private to the party conference. After that, on his own, he would introduce a resolution calling for withdrawal of troops from Iraq "at the earliest practicable date." Pelosi and the other liberals would keep their distance, while their own Marine charged up the Hill. Framed by long rows of American flags at a press conference, he denounced the Iraq war as a "flawed policy wrapped in an illusion."


32 posted on 12/02/2005 12:53:01 PM PST by Mo1 (Message to Democrats .... We do not surrender and run from a fight !!)
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To: tobyhill

Benedict Arnold was a American hero before becoming a American traitor.


33 posted on 12/02/2005 12:53:16 PM PST by spna
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To: george76

Sure looks like this is one less then honorable Marine. To err is human. But Darn, there has to be a rule book to follow when dealing with American tax dollars.


34 posted on 12/02/2005 12:59:52 PM PST by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned)
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To: GloriaJane

So, today he is saying that the military is broken, and it will take $50b to resupply it. I'll bet he has the defense contractors in mind who will get those contracts, too.


35 posted on 12/02/2005 1:01:13 PM PST by ClaireSolt (.)
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To: Marine_Uncle
Some of my old Marine buddies tell me the worst thing a Marine can call a disgraced Marine to his face is an EX-MARINE. They say it is the most humilating thing of all.

You know that I'm just an old Army Cav. guy, so I can't call Murtha that, but I've heard some of my buddies say it.

36 posted on 12/02/2005 1:29:50 PM PST by smoothsailing
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To: ClaireSolt
"So, today he is saying that the military is broken, and it will take $50b to resupply it. I'll bet he has the defense contractors in mind who will get those contracts, too."

Yep! That's what it looks like. Sell America out for a few dollars. You can't go much lower then that.

37 posted on 12/02/2005 1:34:06 PM PST by GloriaJane (http://music.download.com/gloriajane "Merry Christmas To Our Troops In Iraq (My Hero's)")
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To: george76

Scratch that. Will Murtha - real or otherwise - please sit down and shut up?


38 posted on 12/02/2005 1:35:57 PM PST by relictele
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To: smoothsailing
"You know that I'm just an old Army Cav. guy, so I can't call Murtha that, but I've heard some of my buddies say it."

It is truely sad. Sometimes I write stuff I later regret saying. It is so easy to bash people and make comments like they aught to be shot etc., in which I am guilty of saying.
As we all know Randy "Duke" Cunningham fell pray to similiar shortcomings. We all fall short of the glory of God, and are sinners. But I guess it just comes down hard when we hear about those that served often with distinction to let their guard down and fall into the pit.
We most likely will never know why this Marine has acted as he has in full.

39 posted on 12/02/2005 2:01:33 PM PST by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned)
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To: stocksthatgoup
Murtha threw the US military under the bus to distract attention for his questionable dealings.
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could it be that dems are trying to co opt the war issue and spin the US victory into a defeat. by using the withdrawals as the lever. If we turn Iraq over to Iraqis in the next 6 months, and start to draw down, which is quite possible, the dems will say that we are really drawing down troop levels because we lost and the republicans are just spinning iraq as a win. Dems will then campaign on "we ended the war with our persistent anti-war movement, and thats why the troops are home.
40 posted on 12/02/2005 2:08:43 PM PST by photodawg
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To: photodawg

He at least spent a full tour in Nam not like JFINGK but he made 90% of his rank in the reserves.


41 posted on 12/02/2005 3:14:55 PM PST by snowman1
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To: Marine_Uncle

"an unindicted co-conspirator in the ABSCAM matter..."

The next shoe is likely to fall soon...on this ex-marine.


42 posted on 12/02/2005 4:22:17 PM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: george76
"The next shoe is likely to fall soon...on this ex-marine."

Let the shoe fall where it may. Let justice prevail. These people have to realize their positions of trust are just that, we want to trust them to be honest reps for us.

43 posted on 12/02/2005 6:11:04 PM PST by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned)
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To: GloriaJane
Sell America out for a few dollars.


I wonder how much he got from MZM...

http://www.citizensforethics.org/filelibrary/ComplaintandExhibits.pdf
44 posted on 12/02/2005 8:22:18 PM PST by P-40 (http://www.590klbj.com/forum/index.php?referrerid=1854)
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