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Iraq is not a political game [More Murtha Leftist Support]
sanfordherald ^ | December 2, 2005 | Charley Reese

Posted on 12/02/2005 12:13:46 PM PST by ncountylee

As any professional debater will tell you, framing the terms of the debate is more than half the battle. We saw a good example of that in the Republican reaction to Democratic Rep. John Murtha's call for withdrawal of U.S. forces from Iraq.

If the choice is between “cutting and running,” which connotes cowardice and weakness, or “staying the course,” which connotes strength and manliness, then of course we will stay the course. Trouble is, that is not the choice offered by Murtha's suggested resolution. Murtha, a battle-scarred ex-Marine, argues that the American military has done all it can be expected to do. It defeated Saddam's army and toppled his government. By hanging around as an occupation force, it has now become a target, not only for jihadists but for nationalistic Iraqis. A recent poll of Iraqis showed that 80 percent want us out, and about 45 percent believe it is acceptable to attack and kill Americans.

Murtha advocates an orderly redeployment, which he estimates could be done safely in about six months. He advocates keeping a Marine force close enough that it could come back in if the new Iraqi government needs its help. In other words, Murtha's proposal is a new strategy for the situation. He wants hearings and an intelligent debate.

The political stunt the Republicans pulled was designed to make sure there would be no debate. They voted to suspend the rules and force a vote after one hour's debate on a cut-and-run resolution, yes or no. The idea was to sandbag the Democrats, but they voted virtually unanimously to stay. And they were right to condemn the tactic as a cheap political trick.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: antiwarright; bitterpaleos; charleyreese; cutnrunmurtha; murtha; reese; sorrycharley

1 posted on 12/02/2005 12:13:47 PM PST by ncountylee
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To: ncountylee

Charley needs to start drinking again...he made more sense.


2 posted on 12/02/2005 12:15:51 PM PST by nina0113
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To: ncountylee
Murtha has called for all US troops to be out of Iraq within 6 months and for US troops to be repositioned on the Iraq border so they can go back in quickly if the situation calls for it.

What I would like to see somone ask Murtha is "What countries bordering Iraq have agreed to allow us to stage our military on their borders for quick reentry into Iraq if needed?"

I can only imagine the evasion he would reply with.

3 posted on 12/02/2005 12:19:16 PM PST by Phantom Lord (Fall on to your knees for the Phantom Lord)
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To: nina0113

What, did Charly lose his hit talk program that ran at 3:00 A.M. on the Toothbrushing channel?


4 posted on 12/02/2005 12:19:32 PM PST by mikeybaby (long time lurker)
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To: nina0113

Can we have another house vote NOW!


5 posted on 12/02/2005 12:19:35 PM PST by jocko12
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To: mikeybaby

My mistake-I thought the Author was Charly Rose--my bad.


6 posted on 12/02/2005 12:21:57 PM PST by mikeybaby (long time lurker)
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To: nina0113

Yes, he has changed. In the mid-90s, I used to look forward to Charlie's columns. He "changed". I got to witness a number of once-stellar commentators "change". And always after they came into affiliation with a special interest group. Hmm.


7 posted on 12/02/2005 12:23:45 PM PST by Alia
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To: ncountylee
Ah, Charley Reese.

Good to see he was able to stop servicing Justin Raimondo just long enough to write another of his awful columns.

8 posted on 12/02/2005 12:24:32 PM PST by wideawake
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To: Phantom Lord
is "What countries bordering Iraq have agreed to allow us to stage our military on their borders for quick reentry into Iraq if needed?"

The new governments in Iran and Syria....ohhh, I forget - loose lips sink ships. Forget I said anything.

9 posted on 12/02/2005 12:25:02 PM PST by KarlInOhio (In memory of Alvin Owen, Thsai-Shai Yang, Yen-I Yang and Yee Chen Lin:the victims of Tookie Williams)
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To: ncountylee
Iraq is not a political game

Well, this is typical liberal pablum. Make a statement and hope everyone assumes it to be true. Charlie lied in this title. The correct phraseology is:

Iraq is not supposed to be a political game

However, the dims have turned it into one.

10 posted on 12/02/2005 12:31:32 PM PST by Real Cynic No More (Liberals and MSM manipulate the news.)
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To: ncountylee

It's funny that these pointy heads can't figure out that a fake time table is cut and run or informing the ENEMY of your plans ahead of time.

Either way it's a crock!

They have been outted as cowards!

And this will resonate come the 06 elects, that "IS" what they are trying to cloud in shades of GREY now.


11 posted on 12/02/2005 12:31:54 PM PST by funkywbr
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To: ncountylee
And they were right to condemn the tactic as a cheap political trick.

And I condemn this article as being cheap political tripe.

12 posted on 12/02/2005 12:39:59 PM PST by Condor51 (Leftists are moral and intellectual parasites - Standing Wolf)
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To: ncountylee
He advocates keeping a Marine force close enough that it could come back in if the new Iraqi government needs its help.

"I don't like paying for the same real estate twice." - George S. Patton

13 posted on 12/02/2005 12:40:40 PM PST by Calvin Locke
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To: Condor51

No mention of Reid's closed session though.


14 posted on 12/02/2005 12:41:20 PM PST by ncountylee (Dead terrorists smell like victory)
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To: ncountylee

I think Charlie Reese and Maureen Dowd should start dating.....


15 posted on 12/02/2005 12:49:06 PM PST by oneofmany (I'll dance on Tookie's grave......)
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To: ncountylee
Murtha advocates an orderly redeployment, which he estimates could be done safely in about six months.


If Murtha wanted to present that image, he should have done so in his initial press briefing. Having to go to his website to dig up the info was not the best move on his part.

Reading through Murtha's statements makes me wonder what has gotten into him. The sentences are so disjointed that he sounds pretty out of it. Maybe seeing a company, MZM, that contributed to his campaign getting caught up in such shady dealings has rattled him.
16 posted on 12/02/2005 1:18:51 PM PST by P-40 (http://www.590klbj.com/forum/index.php?referrerid=1854)
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To: ncountylee
Murtha's a coward and traitor.
17 posted on 12/02/2005 1:20:56 PM PST by tobyhill (The War on Terrorism is not for the weak.)
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To: ncountylee

If Iraq is not a political game, the Democrats should stop playing like it is one.


19 posted on 12/02/2005 2:06:33 PM PST by popdonnelly
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To: ncountylee
Did the Kong movie get permission to use Murtha's likeness?



20 posted on 12/02/2005 8:13:00 PM PST by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: Bavarian Leprechaun
Well said.

This guy claims to be a retired Marine Colonel (which he is not - there is a difference between a colonel in the reserves and an active-duty colonel) and yet he doesn't have the strategic knowledge of the average 9 year old videogame player.

He is either too stupid to remember how to breathe, or he is a conscious and deliberate traitor.

21 posted on 12/05/2005 5:31:23 AM PST by wideawake
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