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Girl can sue school for telling mom she's gay
MSNBC ^ | 12/02/05 | Associated Press

Posted on 12/03/2005 5:14:42 AM PST by bulldozer

SANTA ANA, Calif. - A federal judge ruled that a lesbian student can sue her school district and her principal for revealing her homosexuality to her mother.

Charlene Nguon, 17, may go forward with her suit claiming violation of privacy rights, U.S. District Judge James V. Selna ruled in a decision dated Nov. 28 and announced Thursday by the American Civil Liberties Union of Southern California.

Orange County’s Garden Grove district had argued that Nguon openly kissed and hugged her girlfriend on campus and thus had no expectation of privacy.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; US: California
KEYWORDS: aclu; bush43appointee; bushsfault; gay; homosexualagenda; ithoughtgayisgood; lawsuit; parentalrights; pda; principal; privacy; publicschools; teens; wnominee
Wait till the Ninth Circus weighs in.
1 posted on 12/03/2005 5:14:43 AM PST by bulldozer
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To: bulldozer

I wonder if a failing student can sue the school for sending a report card home to the parents and revealing that the child is an idiot...


2 posted on 12/03/2005 5:19:39 AM PST by jscd3
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To: bulldozer

[Charlene Nguon, 17, may go forward with her suit claiming violation of privacy rights, U.S. District Judge James V. Selna]

The fascist left continues it's assault on justice,morality,and God and will one day reap the wind.


3 posted on 12/03/2005 5:21:30 AM PST by kindred ( The LORD of hosts hath sworn, saying, Surely as I have thought, so shall it come to pass; and as)
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To: bulldozer

When it suits them, the left tries to impart the full constitutional rights to children. At 17 this young woman is nearly an adult in California, but she isn't.

Sorry, but IMO her parents have every right to this information. This girl needs some parental counseling. It may not accomplish much, but she should hear it anyway.


4 posted on 12/03/2005 5:21:35 AM PST by DoughtyOne (MSM: Public support for war waining. 403/3 House vote against pullout vaporizes another lie.)
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To: bulldozer
"Listen, Susie: I have bad news. I know how much you want to go to college, but we just don't have the money. I'm sorry."

"Mom, I have an idea. There's this dyke at school and I think she has a crush on me. It's gross, but this may work out. How about if I kiss her -- take it easy! Take it easy! -- right in front of a teacher. I bet the school will call you up."

"So?"

"So, you act all upset! Then I act all upset that I've been "outed"! Stop giggling, mom! Then we sue the school! We get a bunch of money, and then I can go to college!"

"It's so crazy it might work. But we better make sure if your father is OK with this."

5 posted on 12/03/2005 5:24:18 AM PST by ClearCase_guy
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To: bulldozer
Judge Neoplitano discussed this case on O'Rielly last night. The school has no rule about "making out" on school property, doesn't enforce the rule for opposite-sex relationships, but did report this incident of same-sex "making out" in public.

Sounds like a rebellious teenager to me. The problem is that teens have too much money, energy, and free time. They ought to be made to work 12-hour days, then go to school to boot. Being too busy keeps you out of trouble.
6 posted on 12/03/2005 5:25:13 AM PST by Woodworker
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To: bulldozer

Strange as it seems, she has a legit case [and its not easy for me to spit out those words].

From what I gather, the school had no written policy that speaks to public "displays of affection" and there are no "cases" of strait couples being suspended for similar behaviour.

Had the school had a written policy in hand, with evidense that actions were taken with couples in the past? She'd have no case.

I see a quiet settlement in her future.


7 posted on 12/03/2005 5:26:00 AM PST by jimzinsocal
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To: DoughtyOne

Her parents apparently are the ones who are upset! The article has the mom complaining that the daughter was in trouble for open lesbo behavior when heteros weren't puninshed.

“The person to decide when and how to talk with our family about this should have been my daughter, not her principal,” her mother, Crystal Chhun, said in a statement.

District officials have declined to comment on the lawsuit.

The lawsuit also claims discrimination, contending Nguon was suspended several times for ignoring orders from the principal to stop hugging and kissing her girlfriend. Heterosexual couples engaging in similar behavior were not disciplined, the lawsuit contends."

Sounds like a bunch of crap to me.


8 posted on 12/03/2005 5:28:24 AM PST by Adder (Can we bring back stoning again? Please?)
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To: bulldozer; GatorGirl; maryz; afraidfortherepublic; Antoninus; Aquinasfan; livius; ...

Public schools are child abuse. Friends don't let their friends abuse children.


9 posted on 12/03/2005 5:29:22 AM PST by narses (St Thomas says “lex injusta non obligat”)
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To: jimzinsocal
I see your point, but wouldn't the school just need to argue that it had once reported on a straight relationship to a parent?

I would be hard to believe that the school had never once spoken to a parent and had commented on a relationship of the child. I would also be surprised if no children in the history of the school had not been admonished for physical contact.
10 posted on 12/03/2005 5:31:51 AM PST by FarmerW ("We have the freedoms we fight for, and we lose those we don't defend." -Rushdie)
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To: Adder

Thanks. I don't hit the links very often. I read what can be printed here and comment.

Well you certainly pointed out accurately what the problem is. Good ole mom is more concerned about 'privacy' than muff diving.

My what a great set of priorities.


11 posted on 12/03/2005 5:33:12 AM PST by DoughtyOne (MSM: Public support for war waining. 403/3 House vote against pullout vaporizes another lie.)
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To: jimzinsocal
Neither heterosexuals nor homosexuals should be making out in public. At one time, long ago, Americans, knew how to behave in public. Parents told their children how to behave and enforced proper behavior. A written policy was unnecessary. Now, thanks to liberals, public schools will need written policies the size of the tax code.
12 posted on 12/03/2005 5:59:08 AM PST by johndpringle
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To: bulldozer
If the kid was publically doing this in school it will come out that she was doing the same thing all over the place and had no concern about who knew she was a licket-D-splitter.

The real issue is if the school can be "slugmouthed" such that it will no longer disclose to the parents "sexual preference" the that can be used as a basis to not tell a parent of a child is pregnant and is considering or has had an abortion.

13 posted on 12/03/2005 6:02:34 AM PST by isthisnickcool (America!)
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To: bulldozer

CA AGAIN!


14 posted on 12/03/2005 6:19:35 AM PST by zzen01
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To: bulldozer

Ridiculous. If she did not want her mom to know, then she should not have told the school.


15 posted on 12/03/2005 6:20:48 AM PST by Brilliant
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To: bulldozer

How is it that the school knew if this is a matter of privacy?


16 posted on 12/03/2005 6:21:19 AM PST by Brilliant
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To: ClearCase_guy
Something does indeed smell of set-up here.
Let's hope it's limited to your scenario and no more.
17 posted on 12/03/2005 6:36:04 AM PST by labette (Opinions and Christian criticisms welcomed.)
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To: johndpringle

I know...the issue is absurd and a sad comment. And BTW....I also overheard Nappy talking on Fox about the issue....I wasnt expressing my personal view....but rather Nappy's....that sounded reasonable and organized.


18 posted on 12/03/2005 7:22:30 AM PST by jimzinsocal
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To: ClearCase_guy

If she wins the suit I wonder if the judge could set up the settlement something like: If you ever get married or give birth you pay back the school board with interest and penalty plus you get tried for fraud.


19 posted on 12/03/2005 7:49:56 AM PST by Poison Pill
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To: bulldozer

I didn't know that minor children had any legal or constitutional expectation of privacy FROM THEIR PARENTS!

Mind you, I said legal or constitutional. A child may feel, rightly, that certain personal activities, at home even, DESERVE some "privacy", but I believe that is a personal matter and not a legal matter, and should be breached by respsonsible parents when they think they have good grounds to do so.


20 posted on 12/03/2005 8:14:17 AM PST by Wuli
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To: bulldozer

It seems to me that the real issue is whether schools should report potentially troublesome behavior of a minor child to her parents. And the answer, clearly, is "Yes."

If a child is doing badly in one of her courses, the parents should be notified before they get the failing grade on a report card, so they can try to straighten it out. If a child vandalizes school property, the parents should be told. If a child misbehaves in any way, the parents should be told. The parents are the proper guardians of a child, and should normally be told about ANY potential problems their child is getting into.

So, why is this different? No, I know, I don't need to ask. Gay relations are a political third rail. Nevertheless, it's quite proper to tell the parents if a child is smooching on school property, with a member of the same or opposite sex. Whether or not it's a legal offense, the parents should know what their children are doing.

The real problem is that liberal judges want to keep parents entirely out of schools, so they cannot enforce their own values on their children. The schools want total control, so they view informing parents about how their children are doing as a violation of privacy. Nonsense. Minor children don't have privacy from parents if they are doing something wrong or questionable. Parents need to know what their children are doing.

This child's name sounds Asian. I would guess that she has strict, traditional parents of the Asian school, but that she is turning into a rebellious American teenager. It's a tough situation, but it isn't the school's job to help her rebel against her parents.


21 posted on 12/03/2005 8:31:26 AM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: bulldozer
Orange County’s Garden Grove district had argued that Nguon openly kissed and hugged her girlfriend on campus and thus had no expectation of privacy.

Looks like a slam dunk case FOR the school district to me!

22 posted on 12/03/2005 8:56:51 AM PST by newzjunkey (Why we fight for a free Iraq: http://massgraves.info/ -- Don't spare Tookie, Arnold!)
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To: DoughtyOne
This girl needs some parental counseling. It may not accomplish much, but she should hear it anyway.

About 10 or 15 years ago, someone told me that many (he used the word most) gays were abused as children. Don't know how true it is, but it appears that if that hypothesis is true, and I've seen it repeated here on FR, then her parental counseling will probably be far worse than good.

23 posted on 12/03/2005 8:59:04 AM PST by joesbucks
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To: bulldozer
..may go forward with her suit claiming violation of privacy rights,..

The agenda of the ACLU and the Left is to afford minors, a protected class, with constitutional "rights". Soon, 10 year olds can flip their parents the "bird" and be protected under the 1st. Amendment.

Marx marches on.

24 posted on 12/03/2005 9:05:23 AM PST by elbucko
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To: johndpringle
Neither heterosexuals nor homosexuals should be making out in public. At one time, long ago, Americans, knew how to behave in public.

Maybe we need new street signs: "Someone's tongue down your throat? Get a room."

25 posted on 12/03/2005 9:08:13 AM PST by newzjunkey (Why we fight for a free Iraq: http://massgraves.info/ -- Don't spare Tookie, Arnold!)
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To: bulldozer
Selna, James V.
Born 1945 in San Jose, CA

Federal Judicial Service:
U. S. District Court, Central District of California Nominated by George W. Bush on January 29, 2003, to a seat vacated by J. Spencer Letts; Confirmed by the Senate on March 27, 2003, and received commission on March 27, 2003.

Education:
Stanford University, A.B., 1967

Stanford Law School, J.D., 1970

Professional Career:
Captain, U.S. Army Reserve, 1967-1978
Private practice, California, 1970-1998 Judge, Superior Court, Orange County, California, 1998-2003

Race or Ethnicity: White

Gender: Male

26 posted on 12/03/2005 9:13:11 AM PST by newzjunkey (Why we fight for a free Iraq: http://massgraves.info/ -- Don't spare Tookie, Arnold!)
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To: DoughtyOne
When it suits them, the left tries to impart the full constitutional rights to children.

However parents, at first blush, act offended when you try and explain to them that minors do not possess any constitutional rights unless the child commits a crime. Children are a protected class. Rights are conferred at eighteen. The majority of America's parents do not realize that the ACLU is taking their kids away from them by granting minors "Rights". It's a paradox and it's sad.

27 posted on 12/03/2005 9:16:07 AM PST by elbucko
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To: bulldozer

Nope!
17 year old can't sue on her own behalf.


28 posted on 12/03/2005 9:16:14 AM PST by G Larry (Only strict constructionists on the Supreme Court!)
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To: Cicero
It's a tough situation, but it isn't the school's job to help her rebel against her parents.

Well said.

29 posted on 12/03/2005 9:20:07 AM PST by elbucko
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To: Wuli
"I didn't know that minor children had any legal or constitutional expectation of privacy FROM THEIR PARENTS!"

Well, according to the leftist judges, children have a right to privacy when it comes to their parents knowing who, or what, they're screwing and whether or not a child is produced that they want to kill.

30 posted on 12/03/2005 9:43:18 AM PST by sweetliberty (Stupidity should make you sterile.)
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To: joesbucks

But on the other hand, it that abuse was at the hands of another (not the parents) the counseling could lead to the kid opening up and busting some cretan.


31 posted on 12/03/2005 9:52:34 AM PST by DoughtyOne (MSM: Public support for war waining. 403/3 House vote against pullout vaporizes another lie.)
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To: elbucko

I agree. The left seems hell bent on destroying a parent's ability to "parent" their children. Look at Rob Reiner's attempt to start manditory Pre-School at four. Then it would be three, two...

Hillary's "It Takes a Village" is nothing more than an attempt to introduce this concept into the American psyche IMO.


32 posted on 12/03/2005 9:56:35 AM PST by DoughtyOne (MSM: Public support for war waining. 403/3 House vote against pullout vaporizes another lie.)
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To: johndpringle
Indeed. Now you have some "parents" who give their child condoms, Klanned Parenthood's phone number, and don't believe in parental notification and think that's adequate parenting. Sick.
33 posted on 12/03/2005 10:58:19 AM PST by CounterCounterCulture (Abortion is a weapon of mass destruction)
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To: DoughtyOne
But on the other hand, it that abuse was at the hands of another (not the parents) the counseling could lead to the kid opening up and busting some cretan.

Certainly true, but instead of a cookie cutter solution of letting the parents handle it, if they are the root of the problem, letting them handle it will probably not repair the issue.

34 posted on 12/03/2005 1:33:27 PM PST by joesbucks
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To: joesbucks

I don't buy the theory that the majority of homosexual's parents influenced their choices.

You are advocating the prevention of parents being in the loop in all cases (of this variety), and I think that's unfortunate.


35 posted on 12/03/2005 2:57:28 PM PST by DoughtyOne (MSM: Public support for war waining. 403/3 House vote against pullout vaporizes another lie.)
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36 posted on 12/03/2005 4:23:16 PM PST by DirtyHarryY2K (http://soapboxharry.blogspot.com/)
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To: zzen01
CA AGAIN!

Yep, one out of six people in the U.S. lives in CA. You're going to read a lot of stories about weirdos, liberals, normal people, brave people, heroes and conservatives -- all from California. If you choose to make a note of just the weirdos, you will have the impression that everyone here is a nut job. It doesn't serve any purpose but to make you sound ignorant. If that's what you want though, go for it.

I'll get to work on my stupid farmer from Nebraska list.

37 posted on 12/03/2005 4:52:03 PM PST by ElkGroveDan (California bashers will be called out)
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To: DoughtyOne
"But on the other hand, it that abuse was at the hands of another (not the parents) the counseling could lead to the kid opening up and busting some cretin."


Bingo! MOST of the time, it isn't a parent. It's a relative, or a babysitter, or a neighbor. And again MOST of the time, the parents are unaware.
38 posted on 12/03/2005 5:10:47 PM PST by gidget7 (Get GLSEN out of our schools!!!!!!)
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To: ClearCase_guy
"It's so crazy it might work. But we better make sure if your father other mother is OK with this."
39 posted on 12/03/2005 5:12:04 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Vote Democrat--it's Easier than Getting a Job.)
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To: bulldozer

I have been before Selna. He is a very smart, diligent, and cerebral judge.


40 posted on 12/03/2005 5:12:11 PM PST by Torie
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To: kindred

And they wonder why Virgin statues are weeping tears of blood in California. ...


41 posted on 12/03/2005 5:18:31 PM PST by CWW (He)
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To: DoughtyOne
You are advocating the prevention of parents being in the loop in all cases (of this variety), and I think that's unfortunate

Not at all. I want good parents involved and told of problems with their children. I think parents, responsible and loving parents, need to be intimately and actively involved in their childrens lives, problems, sucesses and activities.

The problem is, there are many parents who simply aren't good parents.

Even some sheltered children seem to find gay lifestyles now. Those sheltered children likely were influenced by the home. Maybe not a culture of homosexuality in that home, but something very unnormal.

42 posted on 12/03/2005 8:52:40 PM PST by joesbucks
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To: bulldozer

Reason #289 to homeschool. Bump.


43 posted on 12/04/2005 2:56:11 PM PST by Antoninus (Hillary smiles every time a Freeper trashes Rick Santorum)
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