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2nd Look at Bush Service Award: White House panel unaware honoree was on Death Row (TOOKIE)
SF Chronicle ^ | 8-6-05 | Bob Egelko

Posted on 12/03/2005 10:24:16 AM PST by cgk

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1 posted on 12/03/2005 10:24:17 AM PST by cgk
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To: cgk
A spokesman for the President's Council on Service and Civic Participation said that neither the council nor Bush had any way of knowing that the person they were honoring was a condemned multiple murderer.

This is identical to what is happening with the murderous thug being nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize. Just being nominated doesn't mean a thing other than someone filled out the paperwork and submitted it.

2 posted on 12/03/2005 10:26:00 AM PST by Spiff ("They start yelling, 'Murderer!' 'Traitor!' They call me by name." - Gael Murphy, Code Pink leader)
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The "Catholic Archbishop" who nominated Tookie for the award is listed here:

Listing of Gnostic Churches

Gnostic/Other Related Churches

Africano Gnostica Catholica Apostolica - Primacia De North America       Archbishop William A. Harrison (Tau Moses I)

 

Mailing address

P. O. Box 1050, West Monroe, Louisiana 71294-1050

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318-324-8383

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africanognostica@bellsouth.net


3 posted on 12/03/2005 10:26:37 AM PST by cgk (I don't see myself as a conservative. I see myself as a religious, right-wing, wacko extremist.)
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To: Spiff

Exactly right. :)


4 posted on 12/03/2005 10:27:06 AM PST by cgk (I don't see myself as a conservative. I see myself as a religious, right-wing, wacko extremist.)
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To: cgk
A spokesman for the President's Council on Service and Civic Participation said that neither the council nor Bush had any way of knowing that the person they were honoring was a condemned multiple murderer.

Duhhhhh...how about trying a freakin' Google Search for starters??

5 posted on 12/03/2005 10:29:24 AM PST by Prime Choice (Mechanical Engineers build weapons. Civil Engineers build targets.)
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To: Spiff
"Tookie" Williams, a California Death Row inmate who has written a series of books warning young people against the gang life.

I think they are all titled "Join a Gang and I'll Crush Your Skull."

6 posted on 12/03/2005 10:29:36 AM PST by Moonman62 (Federal creed: If it moves tax it. If it keeps moving regulate it. If it stops moving subsidize it)
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To: cgk

Quote "A White House council on volunteerism said Friday it's taking another look at how the President's Call to Service Award -- accompanied by a laudatory letter from President Bush -- was issued "

HOW STUPID. Don't they check anything out first? You would think this administration would have learned the hard way by now. There is no excuse for this one. Someone didn't do their homework. Bush probably never even saw the paperwork and I doubt he actually issues the award.

Someone should be in trouble of something this absurd.

I guess the buck stops with Bush since his name is on it. Still I doubt he is the one who issued it.

GEESH

Isn't this the same guy that is trying to get off of death row?

heh


7 posted on 12/03/2005 10:30:06 AM PST by silentknight
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To: Spiff
This is identical to what is happening with the murderous thug being nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize. Just being nominated doesn't mean a thing other than someone filled out the paperwork and submitted it.

Speaking of which, a local radio talk show host (Bill Handel) got the nomination for the Nobel Peace Prize, too. It's really burning the biscuits of the "Save Tookie" crowd. It was a brilliant move that totally invalidated the whole "Nobel nomination" crap that the liberals were parading around.   :o)

8 posted on 12/03/2005 10:32:42 AM PST by Prime Choice (Mechanical Engineers build weapons. Civil Engineers build targets.)
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To: Baynative

What's the big deal here?
maybe he had a true change of heart.
Award him for his books against violence and crime, and execute him for his actions of violence and crime.

I've got no problem with that.


10 posted on 12/03/2005 10:43:31 AM PST by inpajamas
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To: inpajamas

Only in america can the man who helped invent the entire gang mess we have in this country today. A man who murdered an innocent store clerk and laughed about it. Get nominated for a Peace prize. Makes you wish we had Singapore justice for situations like this.


11 posted on 12/03/2005 10:46:27 AM PST by Pushkin
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To: jan in Colorado

ping


12 posted on 12/03/2005 10:55:18 AM PST by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: cgk
I have mixed feelings about this... I'm not sure being on death row should disqualify him for the President's Call to Service Award.

Has he or has he not he made an appropriate contribution? Isn't that really the question?

Under the circumstances (unfortunately), the best thing for Bush to do would be to commute the sentence and defend the award.

The world is not going to end if this guy spends the rest of his life in prison instead of being executed. There is apparently no question that this creep has done some good in the last two decades. Perhaps he will do more. Executing him now will just make Bush look like a fool.
13 posted on 12/03/2005 10:57:01 AM PST by babygene (Viable after 87 trimesters)
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To: Prime Choice

"Tookie" needs to gurney on up to the Juice Bar.


14 posted on 12/03/2005 11:01:33 AM PST by elbucko
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To: cgk

"Here's your award, Tookie, now get in the chair."


15 posted on 12/03/2005 11:05:13 AM PST by Ben Hecks
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To: Ben Hecks

Right on .et him carry his award to hell with him.


16 posted on 12/03/2005 11:28:14 AM PST by sgtbono2002
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To: cgk

Either they are morons, or they are Democrats trying to sabbotage the Bush Admin. I'm betting on Dems, but I suppose you could say by definition, they are both.


17 posted on 12/03/2005 11:28:17 AM PST by Brilliant
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To: Ben Hecks

Right on let him carry his award to hell with him. I am sure the devil will find a cool spot to hang it.


18 posted on 12/03/2005 11:28:47 AM PST by sgtbono2002
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To: Prime Choice

Oh, for crying out loud!! What a pain. I'm sure Ahnold appreciates the help.


19 posted on 12/03/2005 11:29:01 AM PST by Mamzelle (evolofty#5--try rereading for content)
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To: cgk

Last I saw they were still defending giving a patriotism award to draft dodger Cassius Clay.

They really do need a shake up at the upper levels of the White House staff.


20 posted on 12/03/2005 11:37:57 AM PST by PAR35
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To: cgk

Oy freaking veh!


22 posted on 12/03/2005 11:55:09 AM PST by jocon307
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To: elbucko

"Tookie" needs to gurney on up to the Juice Bar.

Ohmigosh, I like the way you said that.


23 posted on 12/03/2005 11:57:25 AM PST by jocon307
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To: babygene

death row conversions are not a reason to commute a sentence.

the woman in Texas was executed while Bush was Governor under similar circumstances.

if you make this a valid reason for clemency, everyone will claim to be converted and born again.

our justice system determines guilt or innocence on this Earth, God can decide on the bigger picture.


24 posted on 12/03/2005 12:00:16 PM PST by RobFromGa (Polls are for people who can't think for themselves.)
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To: cgk
"A White House council on volunteerism said Friday it's taking another look at how the President's Call to Service Award -- accompanied by a laudatory letter from President Bush -- was issued to Stanley "Tookie" Williams, a California Death Row inmate who has written a series of books warning young people against the gang life."

I'll bet he'll just die if they take the award back.

25 posted on 12/03/2005 1:03:57 PM PST by Jaxter ("Vivit Post Funera Virtus")
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To: babygene
Has he or has he not he made an appropriate contribution? Isn't that really the question?

My guess is that you haven't followed this story closely. Am I right?

California penal officials at San Quentin indicate that Williams is still directing the Crips from his prison cell.

26 posted on 12/03/2005 1:18:31 PM PST by Amerigomag
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To: All
Local talkshow host Mark Williams (KFBK Sacramento) reports that the books were ghost written and total sales were in the low hundreds.

Also, Schwarzenegger and "Tookie" used to lift weight together many years ago, Mark and others say. Prison guards tell Mark and listerners that "Tookie" is still one mean, dangerous SOB who has never been anything but high-risk, unlike most death row prisoners.

We'll be lucky if the Governor doesn't free the con. The Governor's hearing is closed to the public. So much for that pesky California "sunshine" law.

Maybe the Bush White House knows something.

27 posted on 12/03/2005 1:20:22 PM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (Hillary is the she in shenanigans.)
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To: silentknight

Dubya was so good at watching his #41's back, who is watching his, it is like all of these incidents are done on purpose


28 posted on 12/03/2005 1:28:07 PM PST by dubyawhoiluv
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To: All
This is most likely just like the time the "White House" send a card to some pro-homosexual "church" and the media made a big story out of it.

Turned out the "church" was simply one of several thousand churches that were on a mailing list (put there because they sent something to the White House) and later every church on the mailing list was sent the same card by the White House.

29 posted on 12/03/2005 1:36:19 PM PST by COEXERJ145 (Those Who Want to Impeach President Bush Are the Party of Treason.)
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To: cgk
Too bad Tookie is someone the left really supports. This would probably give the left the proof that they seek to prove the White House is run by ninnies. I am tired of hearing that somebody just didn't check the facts. Maybe they can give Kennedy a driving award too. Firings at the White House and throughout the administration would be a small start toward real government.
30 posted on 12/03/2005 2:45:08 PM PST by Steamburg (Pretenders everywhere)
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To: babygene
I'm not sure being on death row should disqualify him for the President's Call to Service Award.

Well I am sure. Being on death row should disqualify someone for getting any award and should certainly disqualify them for a presidential award FCOL. You get the stupidest post of the month award. Of course we are only two days into.

31 posted on 12/03/2005 2:52:54 PM PST by plain talk
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To: plain talk

"You get the stupidest post of the month award."

And this being from the stupidest person of the month...


32 posted on 12/03/2005 2:56:08 PM PST by babygene (Viable after 87 trimesters)
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To: plain talk

"You get the stupidest post of the month award."

And this being from the stupidest person of the month...


33 posted on 12/03/2005 2:56:42 PM PST by babygene (Viable after 87 trimesters)
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To: cgk

http://netministries.org/see/churches/ch27481

Welcome to Cathedral of St. Moses the Black
P.O. Box 1050
West Monroe, LA 71294-1050

About Us...
The Cathedral of St. Moses the Black is a faith community of the Old Catholic Orthodox Church (OCOC). We are a family of committed Christians, not under the jurisdictionof Rome (however, we are in loving unity with are sister church), who are committed to Our Lord, Jesus Christ and His teachings.


34 posted on 12/03/2005 3:09:39 PM PST by calcowgirl
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To: babygene

Stupid and confused is no way to go through life, son.


35 posted on 12/03/2005 3:12:55 PM PST by plain talk
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To: plain talk
"Stupid and confused is no way to go through life, son."

Since I'm 60 dad, you must be at least 80. Perhaps you are getting oldtimers disease. That would explain you lack of mental power...
36 posted on 12/03/2005 3:25:10 PM PST by babygene (Viable after 87 trimesters)
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To: Prime Choice
Hey now, it's the White House. You can't expect them to have access to such sophisticated research resources as Google!

Yes, that is sarcasm.

Haven't seen you post in a while. Merry Christmas. :)

37 posted on 12/03/2005 4:37:16 PM PST by newzjunkey (Why we fight for a free Iraq: http://massgraves.info/ -- Don't spare Tookie, Arnold!)
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To: babygene

Well perhaps you're just a contrarian and like to throw out stupid statements to get a reaction. But if you were serious, then you're an embarrassment for 60 then to be unable to reason why a Death Row convict should be an automatic exclusion for a presidential award.


38 posted on 12/03/2005 5:03:06 PM PST by plain talk
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To: Prime Choice

You're right of course..they should have searched more. But it just goes to show that the people the nominated him purposely LEFT OUT his murderous past knowing that he awards like this are given fairly easily. They KNEW that getting an award like this would bolster their case...


39 posted on 12/03/2005 5:14:01 PM PST by t2buckeye
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To: cgk

I just noticed--they don't even have a church location. They meet at 307 Natchitoches Street. According to google, that is either an art gallery called "A Strange Brew" or a dog groomer called "Groomingdales".


http://www.netministries.org/see/churches.exe/ch27481?frame=n

Worship Location...

We are meeting at: 307 Natchitoches Street West Monroe, Louisiana 71291 (* Historic Antique Alley, off Trenton Street)


40 posted on 12/03/2005 5:17:50 PM PST by calcowgirl
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To: All
The presidential citation, which arrived last week, was a lifetime award for more than 4,000 hours of volunteer service.

4,000 hours of volunteer service. Good grief.

41 posted on 12/03/2005 5:29:35 PM PST by pepperhead (Kennedy's float, Mary Jo's don't!)
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To: calcowgirl

Church of St. Moses the Black??? Sounds like the " Church of what's happening tomorrow".....geesh.


42 posted on 12/03/2005 8:25:40 PM PST by Ann Archy (Abortion: The Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience. T)
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To: Ann Archy
I can't vouch for the source, but I found similar descriptions elsewhere on the web.
(from www.stmaryofegypt.net/saints_moses.shtml )
St. Moses the Black

St. Moses the Black was a former gang leader, murderer, and thief in ancient Africa. However, he became a model of transformation. His is one of the most inspiring stories among the African saints.

Moses, an escaped slave, was the leader of a group of 75 robbers. He was a large and powerful man, who with his gang terrorized the entire region. Moses was transformed after he and his group attacked a monastery, intending to rob it. He was met by the abbot, whose peaceful and warm manner overwhelmed him. He immediately felt remorse for all his past sins, sincerely repented, and begged to remain at the monastery.

Moses was tortured by his past and for years was tempted to return to his old ways. One day, as he was confessing his sins to St. Macarius, an angel appeared with a tablet full of his sins. As he confessed, the angel began wiping the tablet clean. The more he confessed, the more the angel wiped, until by the end it was completely clean. After meeting St. Macarius and St. Isidore, he completely left his old ways behind him and became a monk.

Later, St. Moses was ordained to the priesthood -- a rare honor among the Desert Fathers -- and founded a monastery of 75 monks, the same number as his former group of thieves. He was known for his wisdom, humility, love, and non-judgment of others. Once a brother had been caught in a particular sin, and the abbot asked St. Moses to come to the church and render judgment. He came reluctantly, carrying on his back a leaking bag of sand. When he arrived, the brothers asked him why he was carrying such a thing. He simply said, "This sand is my sins which are trailing out behind me, while I go to judge the sins of another." At that reply, the brothers forgave the offender and returned to focusing on their own salvation rather than the sins of their brother.

In 405 A.D., at age 75, St. Moses suffered a martyr's death, when his monastery was attacked by a group of barbarians. He is remembered on the 28th of August. Today he is considered the patron saint of African Americans. St. Moses the Black, pray to God for us!


43 posted on 12/03/2005 8:59:57 PM PST by calcowgirl
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To: sgtbono2002
I am sure the devil will find a cool spot to hang it.

...in HELL? What, are the Vikings about to win the Super Bowl?

44 posted on 12/03/2005 11:37:34 PM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: calcowgirl
This is why we should continue to pray...

Cheers!

45 posted on 12/03/2005 11:39:54 PM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: RobFromGa
"the woman in Texas was executed while Bush was Governor under similar circumstances. "

I haven't yet heard about the Pope calling for tookie's commutation.

46 posted on 12/04/2005 12:22:52 AM PST by de Buillion (The Fat Turd from MA is an Enemy, domestic.)
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To: cgk; Spiff

The nomination and selection process

Each year there are 100 to 250 nominees for each prize. Although anyone can be nominated, not everyone can nominate someone for a Nobel Prize. For example the website of the Nobel Foundation says that in the case of the peace prize the following people may nominate:

Similar requirements are in place for the other prizes. However, unlike many other awards, the Nobel Prize nominees are never publicly announced, and they are not supposed to be told that they were ever considered for the prize. These records are sealed for 50 years to avoid turning the awarding of the prize into a popularity contest.

The strictly enforced deadline for postmarking of nominations is February 1. Self-nominations are automatically disqualified. Only living persons may be nominated for the Nobel Prize. This has sometimes sparked criticism that people deserving of a Nobel Prize did not receive the award because they died before being nominated.

In two cases the prize has been awarded posthumously to people that were nominated when they were still alive. This was the case with UN Secretary General Dag Hammarskjöld (1961, Peace Prize) and Erik Axel Karlfeldt (1931, Literature) — both of whom were awarded the prize in the years they died.

47 posted on 12/04/2005 12:31:42 AM PST by Howlin ("Victory is not a strategy. " ``Jack Murtha 11/18/05)
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To: WilliamofCarmichael
We'll be lucky if the Governor doesn't free the con.

I think that if Arnold grants the murderous thug clemency we will see a move to recall the Governor - and rightly so.

48 posted on 12/04/2005 6:00:40 AM PST by Spiff ("They start yelling, 'Murderer!' 'Traitor!' They call me by name." - Gael Murphy, Code Pink leader)
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To: plain talk; babygene
You get the stupidest post of the month award.

I second plain talk's assessment. In fact, your post wasn't just stupid, it was appallingly stupid. How would California's executing the violent thug make Bush look stupid? Bush has nothing to do with it.

49 posted on 12/04/2005 6:04:22 AM PST by Spiff ("They start yelling, 'Murderer!' 'Traitor!' They call me by name." - Gael Murphy, Code Pink leader)
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To: Spiff
Recall is preferable to what some of the Crips may try to do if Gov. Schwarzenkennedy doesn't kiss "Tootie's" and his liberal supporters' butts.

This is something most had not thought of until a talkshow caller suggested that just maybe gangs are crazy enough to try revenge.

50 posted on 12/04/2005 7:56:08 AM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (Hillary is the she in shenanigans.)
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