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Iranian Alert - December 3, 2005 - Ledeen says Bush's Plan for Victory is a Sucker's Game
Regime Change Iran ^ | 12.3.2005 | DoctorZin

Posted on 12/03/2005 11:23:19 PM PST by DoctorZIn

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Sucker's Game

By MICHAEL LEDEEN
December 1, 2005

The president gave us an often brilliant assessment of the war in Iraq, along with a welcome outline of his plan for victory over the terrorists there. It was full of vision and grit, both of which have been in alarmingly short supply in what has passed for our national debate, and it paid appropriate tribute to the armed forces - ours, our Coalition allies', and the growing numbers of Iraqi soldiers - deployed against the terrorists. No doubt we are making real progress. No doubt the areas of tranquility are multiplying, as the terrorists' death toll mounts relentlessly. No doubt, as Senator Lieberman reminds us, the great majority of Iraqis see reason for hope that they will govern themselves and dominate their enemies.

But the hard, unpleasant fact remains: we are playing a sucker's game in Iraq, because we are trying to win a regional war by fighting in a single country. The president knows this. He constantly describes Iraq as one battlefield in a broader war. He knows that the terrorists in Iraq are funded, trained, armed and inspired by the tyrannical regimes of three neighboring countries, Iran, Syria, and Saudi Arabia. He often names the first two, while finessing the third, which is both an ally and an enemy in the terror war. And he knows the one big thing: that this is a war of freedom against tyranny, and that the tyrants are waging an existential war against us in Iraq because they know that if we succeed, they are doomed to fall at the hands of their own people, who are hoping that our efforts to spread freedom will not be limited to Iraq, but will eventually embrace them as well.

That is why the president said, in Annapolis, "Freedom's victory (in Iraq) will inspire democratic reformers from Damascus to Tehran, and spread hope across a troubled region..."

Fine words indeed (although he would have done better to speak of "democratic revolutionaries," which is the correct designation; freedom will not defeat the Syrian, Saudi, and Iranian tyrants by a gradual process of reform), and they are words that cry out for action. But the president does not provide action.

He has convinced himself, and seeks to convince us, that if we stay the course in Iraq, democracy will spread to the other countries all by itself. And that is a sucker's game. Revolution has almost always required external support, it is not a natural process, it does not simply grow out of the failures of evil regimes, and it is not a spontaneous explosion of the righteous indignation of oppressed peoples. People do not have an intuitive understanding of revolution, they must learn its methods, and obtain its tools. In the great democratic revolution of our time, which has transformed the known world in ways no one foresaw back in the 1970s, when the dictatorships of Spain and Portugal gave way to peaceful revolutionary changes, the revolutionary forces have invariably had outside support.

* In Iberia, the combination of a brilliant and courageous Spanish king and a remarkable generation of political leaders ranging from Adolfo Suarez to Mario Soares, received wise council and material support from Western governments, progressive political parties and tough-minded trade union organizations.

* Throughout Latin America, military dictatorships were toppled in large part because their democratic opponents were supported by the Reagan administration (and the dictators were given harsh ultimata by Washington);

* In the Soviet Empire, with Poland the keystone of the revolutionary edifice, pro-democracy forces got money, advice, technology (such as fax machines, at the time a revolutionary device) and a steady flow of support and information from the radios of the free world, from Western governments, and from a heroic trade union network guided by Lane Kirkland and Irving Brown, and backed up by the American government.

* In recent democratic revolutions in Yugoslavia, the Ukraine, Lebanon, and Georgia, American support has been key.

Indeed, it is hard to think of a single case in which a successful democratic revolution has taken place all by itself, without an international network of support and, above all, without significant American help.

Thus, when the president speaks as if he believes that democratic revolution can succeed in the Middle East purely and simply because we defeat the terrorists in Iraq, he gainsays the lessons of the past 30 years, and demeans his own leadership by seemingly opting out of American participation in the spread of freedom. It is impossible to believe that this vision can be fulfilled. Indeed, it is more likely that, by limiting our actions to the Iraq theater, we will give our tyrannical enemies the chance to find a winning strategy that will lead to our defeat, to the triumph of the fanatical forces in Iraq, and to the consolidation of the dictatorships in Riyadh, Damascus, and Tehran.

Worse still, it is folly to believe that we can defeat the terrorists in Iraq without directly challenging the terror masters in Syria, Iran, and Saudi Arabia.They cannot accept such an outcome, and they will constantly raise the stakes, escalating the level of violence in the Middle East and in our own capitals. This is implicit in the very nature of the terror war, for they are not fighting for the control of a small piece of territory, but for domination of the West itself in the name of a totalitarian vision called jihad, to establish a global dictatorship called caliphate.

There is no escape from this war, which grows out of the terrorists' hatred of our success and our power. They know that our very existence threatens the legitimacy of their regimes, both those that hold sway today in the Middle East, and the dream of global domination that motivates them. We, and they, are doomed to see it through until there is a winner and a loser.

That is why, despite his fine words and his dazzling insight into the nature of the war, President Bush's strategy is not good enough. It leaves the initiative where it has been all along - in the capitals of the terror masters - instead of shifting it where it belongs - in our hands. We are making excellent progress in Iraq, and I have no doubt that the terror masters are enraged at their failure to break the will of American fighting forces, and to create a mass anti-American movement on the ground in Iraq. They had hoped to do that, and they have failed. But they must believe that they can reverse the tide, and they will find new ways to menace us and menace those Iraqis who so desperately want to be free.

Left to their own devices, the Iranians, Saudis, and Syrians will find new stratagems, no doubt hoping to win a political victory in America even if they cannot win a terror war in the Middle East. The president cannot permit them the luxury of time. He must threaten them with the revolution of their own people, who today dominate the real Islamic street.

That would be the right thing to do, even if there were no terror war, and even if the attacks of September 11, 2001, had never happened. Freeing oppressed peoples is the heart of the American mission, and it is the winning strategy in the current crisis. The president knows all this. Thus far he has failed to act on that knowledge, and his latest speech gives no reason to believe he will soon do so.

More's the pity, for us and for all those who seek their share of freedom.

Mr. Ledeen is Freedom Scholar at the American Enterprise Institute and author of "The War Against the Terror Masters."

  • Iran Press News reported on the regime’s laughable description of Tehran University demonstrations.
  • Iran Press News reported on the prosecution of four publishers and editors-in-chief.
  • Iran Press News reported that protesting workers blocked the Rasht-Bandar’eh Anzali main road.
  • Iran Press News reported on the regime's anxiety over the proximity of the Persian Gulf countries with NATO.
  • Iran Press News reported that the deputy of Iran's family court said: Women are subjugated to legal violence.
  • Iran Press News reported that Iran has imported 3 times its export of Gas.
  • Iran Press News reported that Alireza Akbari, Director of the Establishment of Advancement of Resolution, said of Russia's nuclear proposal: Russia’s proposal is beneficial neither in the short term nor the long term.
  • Statfor provided their interpretation of the Khalilzad initiative with the Iranians.
  • Ha'aretz reported that for the EU, the ball is now in Iran's court.
  • American Enterprise Institute published the ninth chapter of Gaffney's "War Footing: 10 Steps America Must Take in the War for the Free World." A must read.
  • The Foreign Press Association reported that Akbar Ganji was a recipient of the "Dialogue of Cultures" Award.
  • The Jerusalem Post reported that Israeli Military Intelligence Chief Aharon Ze'evi Farkash said: it is clear that Iran has passed the point of no return ... unless Iran encounters a major interference, it will have a functioning nuclear arsenal within one or two years.
  • Richard Bernstein, The New York Times argued that Mao's 'Fight Talk' strategy is a winning one for Iran.
  • United Press International reported that U.S. Under Secretary for Political Affairs Nicholas Burns explained the U.S. policy toward Iran.
  • DEBKAfile reported on the abrupt firing of Alexander Rumyantsev as head of the Russian Agency for Atomic Energy, trusted by the US and Israeli governments.
  • CBS 2 Chicago reported that Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon said that he is confident all diplomatic efforts will be exhausted before any military action might be taken against the Iranian nuclear program.
  • Eli Lake, New York Sun reported that Iranian Major General Yahya Rahim Safavi told reporters that his side is winning in Iraq.
  • Iran va Jahan published "A Word with the Nation, A Warning to the Regime." A statement dated November 2005 signed by 674 personalities including former Members of the Iranian Majles (parliament); well know academics, political and cultural personalities as well as student activists.
  • Rooz Online reported on yet another unlawful imprisonment.
  • Farhad Mahdavi, Rooz Online reported on the announcement of Iran's Foreign Ministry spokesman Hamid-Reza Asefi that talks with the US are on Iran’s agenda.
  • And finally, Meysam Tavab, Rooz Online reported that one of the first acts of Farhad Rahbar, responsible for drawing up plans and budgets for the country was to categorize a large number of documents formerly available to the public as ‘Confidential.”


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1 posted on 12/03/2005 11:23:28 PM PST by DoctorZIn
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2 posted on 12/03/2005 11:26:54 PM PST by DoctorZIn (Until they are Free, "We shall all be Iranians!")
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To: DoctorZIn

What a nut job this guy is! We've got the idiot morons in the halls of Congress calling for surrender, and this jerk thinks we should attack 3 other countries.


4 posted on 12/03/2005 11:33:38 PM PST by Just A Nobody (I - LOVE - my attitude problem! WBB lives on. Beware the Enemedia.)
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To: DoctorZIn

bump


5 posted on 12/03/2005 11:37:23 PM PST by F14 Pilot (Democracy is a process not a product)
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To: DoctorZIn
For anyone who's keeping score, let's first list the contestants:

In the well-lit corner is the stay-the-course hawk who defends Bush at every turn. He used to be called a neo-conservative, but the press no longer finds it to be a good scare-label.

In the slightly well-lit corner is the "vietnam-quagmire-let's pull out now" guy. His coach is a "no blood for oil" wacko leftist.

The fellow shadow boxing in the third corner is the "Iraq should be split up" advocate.

In the fourth corner is yet another fellow who repeatedly asks "what are we doing about syria and Iran"?
6 posted on 12/03/2005 11:45:38 PM PST by dr_who_2
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To: DoctorZIn
"But the hard, unpleasant fact remains: we are playing a sucker's game in Iraq, because we are trying to win a regional war by fighting in a single country."


-We beat Osama out of Afghanistan and removed the Taliban from power and planted democracy.

-We removed Saddam Hussein from power and planted democracy.

-We have a very close relationship with Israel.

-Pressure on Syria as forced them to miscalculate with an assasination that got them chucked from Lebanon.

-Pressure on Egypt has further opened the door to democracy.

-Pressure on Libya has forced them to give up their WMD programs.

-Pressure on Iran has them on defense with their nuke program.

-Pressure on the Palestinians has brought them closer to a much more moderate political stance.

-Israel is out of Gaza.

That's just off the top of my head before morning coffee.

Only a FOOL says "we are trying to win a regional war by fighting in a single country."

Any reasoned person should know that the fact that we are up against a REGION means we need a different strategy for each and every country in that REGION- DUH.

I guess for some that hurts the brains too much.
7 posted on 12/03/2005 11:46:43 PM PST by Berlin_Freeper (ETERNAL SHAME on the treasonous Democrats!)
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To: Chevy Sales

People have been arm chair quarter backing since 2001, and I think he's been consistently for taking out Iran since that time.


8 posted on 12/03/2005 11:48:19 PM PST by dr_who_2
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To: Berlin_Freeper
Pressure on Iran has them on defense with their nuke program.

They're out-doing Saddam Hussein. I don't think he got anywhere as far with nukes as Iran has. Iran has little to lose by being "defensive". It just buys them more time.
10 posted on 12/03/2005 11:52:07 PM PST by dr_who_2
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To: Chevy Sales

I was talking about Ledeen's stance.


11 posted on 12/03/2005 11:53:13 PM PST by dr_who_2
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To: DoctorZIn

bomb cambodia...and make sure you hit kerry this time


12 posted on 12/03/2005 11:54:36 PM PST by wildcatf4f3 (admittedly too unstable for public office)
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To: dr_who_2

The fact remains they ARE on defense with their nuclear goals.

The crucial question is how long till they actually produce nukes?

We can bomb them today and start a huge stink about it or we can bomb them 6 years (or 3 or 9 or 7?) from now and smoke everything they got a few months before they produce one.

But if we hold off then we got a CHANCE we can get traction for change from within.

It's not a great chance but once we bomb we bomb so what is the difference. Either way they end up with no nukes.


14 posted on 12/04/2005 12:00:34 AM PST by Berlin_Freeper (ETERNAL SHAME on the treasonous Democrats!)
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To: DoctorZIn
If Ledeen truly believes that we are not doing things throughout the region, I've lost all respect for him. There is more than one way to skin a cat, and a Military invasion of Syria and Iran is not the answer. We won the cold war without launching a single missile or moved a Tank across any Soviet Block nations border. When the suffering masses in these Mullah controlled nations see and hear what's spreading in Iraq, the pressure builds, and much like what happened in Poland, a Blue Collar worker on a loading dock stands up and says, "Enough of this BS"

The Iranians and the Syrians need not to fear our Tanks, Cruise Missiles and our magnificent Warriors, those Tyrants need to worry about their own people.

Nobody wakes up in the morning and looks forward to another day of bondage. On the other hand, When we succeed in Iraq, hope will become one with the desert winds and those winds will bring major change throughout the Middle East, just like it did Eastern Europe

15 posted on 12/04/2005 12:02:53 AM PST by MJY1288 (THE DEMOCRATS OFFER NOTHING FOR THE FUTURE AND THEY LIE ABOUT THE PAST)
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To: MJY1288; All

he is not talking about military action against Iran or Syria


16 posted on 12/04/2005 12:03:48 AM PST by F14 Pilot (Democracy is a process not a product)
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To: F14 Pilot
Well if Ledeen thinks we are not doing things in those countries, he is a fool. I have a family member who works for one of our Intel organizations and I can guarantee you that we have operatives that are hard at work in those countries and most of what is going on is this area has been ratcheted up 10 fold since 9/11

This whole piece by Ledeen is Bravo Sierra

17 posted on 12/04/2005 12:12:08 AM PST by MJY1288 (THE DEMOCRATS OFFER NOTHING FOR THE FUTURE AND THEY LIE ABOUT THE PAST)
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To: MJY1288

Ledeen is talking about support for democracy movement inside Iran and that is what our government has done nothing about!


18 posted on 12/04/2005 12:44:56 AM PST by F14 Pilot (Democracy is a process not a product)
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To: MJY1288

and fyi

Pres. Bush has just authorized our ambassador in Iraq to hold direct talks with Mullahs!


19 posted on 12/04/2005 12:48:12 AM PST by F14 Pilot (Democracy is a process not a product)
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To: All

Bush permits talks with Iran over border security crisis

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/12/04/wiran04.xml&sSheet=/news/2005/12/04/ixworld.html


20 posted on 12/04/2005 12:55:00 AM PST by F14 Pilot (Democracy is a process not a product)
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To: DoctorZIn
I would direct Mr MICHAEL Ledeen to the principle of the bug zapper. Like Iraq, the bug zapper lures bugs in and then kills them. Does anyone ever report how many terrorist have been zapped since the war started?
21 posted on 12/04/2005 1:19:34 AM PST by jonrick46
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To: Justanobody

seems you didnt read the entire article!


22 posted on 12/04/2005 2:16:07 AM PST by F14 Pilot (Democracy is a process not a product)
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To: Justanobody
Actually, he has for several years now called for support for Iranian resistence, and for continuing diplomatic pressure on Syria over Lebanon, but does not demand direct military action on either. He thinks we can be doing a lot more to support Iranian revolutionaries, applying more pressure through trade etc on the Saudis to police their nutjobs, etc.

Personally, I do not see how we can possibly avoid direct military action in the case of Iran. If we sit, which at present is what we are doing, they get nukes. Those nukes will not long remained unused. I understand the political box the president is in, thanks to our domestic traitors leading the left and their merely weak-kneed rank and file. But the Iranian nuclear program won't wait for a US domestic consensus on any of it, which isn't going to appear in our lifetimes.

23 posted on 12/04/2005 5:59:39 AM PST by JasonC
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To: F14 Pilot
It was late and I confess to skimming the latter part of the article. Seems that most posters had the same initial reaction. I have now read it slowly and deliberately. I still do not think much of it. This game of diminishing the President and everything he says and does has gotten very old.

That is why, despite his fine words and his dazzling insight into the nature of the war, President Bush's strategy is not good enough. It leaves the initiative where it has been all along - in the capitals of the terror masters - instead of shifting it where it belongs - in our hands.

If he believes that the US is not actively involved within Iran, then he has no credibility. Why does everyone feel the need to announce to the world, in great detail, every strategy and operation we implement?

I also find his use of the idea that the initiative "belongs in our hands" given the penchant to rail against the US as imperialists. Remember, "Imperial Hubris?" I haven't heard that charge for some time...perhaps he is trying to bring it back to life.

SOTU February 2, 2005 - President George W. Bush:
To promote peace in the broader Middle East, we must confront regimes that continue to harbor terrorists and pursue weapons of mass murder. Syria still allows its territory, and parts of Lebanon, to be used by terrorists who seek to destroy every chance of peace in the region. You have passed, and we are applying, the Syrian Accountability Act -- and we expect the Syrian government to end all support for terror and open the door to freedom. And to the Iranian people, I say tonight: As you stand for your own liberty, America stands with you.

In eleven days, Iraq will elect a permanent government to lead them for the next four years. All this bluster from the talking heads in the media and the halls of CONgress, days away from this momentous occasion, is not being done for any good reason, imho. Let the Iraqis vote before we undertake any other MAJOR advances.

24 posted on 12/04/2005 6:19:03 AM PST by Just A Nobody (I - LOVE - my attitude problem! WBB lives on. Beware the Enemedia.)
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To: Justanobody

Mr. Ledeen has been a speaker for the cause of freedom in Iran on behalf of milions of us!

He deserves more respect!


25 posted on 12/04/2005 6:23:30 AM PST by Khashayar (No Banana Allowed!)
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To: Justanobody

AFAIK, Ledeen has never talked about any military action against Iran!

and yes, most of us are upset with what Bush admin hasn't done to deal with Iranian regime since 9/11


26 posted on 12/04/2005 6:27:16 AM PST by F14 Pilot (Democracy is a process not a product)
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To: JasonC
Actually, he has for several years now called for support for Iranian resistence, and for continuing diplomatic pressure on Syria over Lebanon, but does not demand direct military action on either.

Exactly! See the post below yours, that was being written while you were writing yours as I was getting coffee etc.

Personally, I do not see how we can possibly avoid direct military action in the case of Iran.

I am not convinced it can be avoided either. Perhaps that is what CONgress is trying to avoid with all their yammering, just days away from the national election in Iraq.

I feel President Bush would like to allow the Iranian people to have the honor of setting themselves free. I watch in awe at what the Iranian people have accomplished thus far.

They made a statement a while back, IIRC, that they did not need the USA or anyone else to do the work for them, they were capable of that. They wished only for support of their efforts.

27 posted on 12/04/2005 6:35:54 AM PST by Just A Nobody (I - LOVE - my attitude problem! WBB lives on. Beware the Enemedia.)
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To: Khashayar
He deserves more respect!

I'm sorry Khashayar! I will study him more closely now. I was not aware of this.

28 posted on 12/04/2005 6:40:16 AM PST by Just A Nobody (I - LOVE - my attitude problem! WBB lives on. Beware the Enemedia.)
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To: Justanobody

no worries!


29 posted on 12/04/2005 7:12:53 AM PST by Khashayar (No Banana Allowed!)
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To: Justanobody
"what the Iranian people have accomplished thus far"

Sorry, I am not impressed. The nuke drive marches on, the president is a complete whackjob, he has absolute power and is purging the slightest opposition, and they continue to actively support serious terrorism against both us and the Brits in Iraq. Meanwhile, the EU is limp and they have concluded we are bluffing. Russia is providing them SAMs meant to shoot down smart munitions aimed at their nuke sites, continues to flak for them diplomatically, and continues to support their naked drive for nukes. Just what have the Iranian people supposedly achieved that helps in the slightest with any of it? What pressure does their government feel? Not a thing. The Iranians have a better chance of changing our government - and installing defeatist Dems - than we have of overthrowing theirs.

30 posted on 12/04/2005 8:20:40 AM PST by JasonC
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To: DoctorZIn

But the hard, unpleasant fact remains: we are playing a sucker's game in Iraq, because we are trying to win a regional war by fighting in a single country.

Sorry you are wrong Mike! By changing Iraq we change the entire area, without having to invade every country.


31 posted on 12/04/2005 9:14:32 AM PST by Valin (Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but some abuse the privilege)
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To: DoctorZIn
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32 posted on 12/04/2005 5:44:17 PM PST by DoctorZIn (Until they are Free, "We shall all be Iranians!")
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