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To: highball
Clearly, John Templeton and his Foundation do not outright reject ID as he/they provides/provide monetary grants for the research of ID and favorable quotes relative to ID exist on the Foundation's website.

The Foundation does not support the ID political/lobbying/legal wedge approach to the issue...But Templeton is quoted on the Foundation's website stating that "There is no knockdown argument for design and purpose" just "strong hints" for it.

John Templeton is deeply "religous", in a very universalist way, and believes that "Scientific revelations may be a goldmine for revitalizing religion in the 21st century."

Karl Giberson also states that, "Behe is right, of course, that there are many such complex things in nature that evolution cannot presently explain." (SAY IT AIN'T SO, Applied Developmental Science, Lawerence Erlbaum Associates, Inc., http://www.erlbaum.com)

It is obvious that the context in which Giberson and The John Templeton Foundation disagree with ID is not the same context in which those at Darwin Central disagree with it.

Other than disdain for creationists, those at Darwin Central will probably not find much in common with Karl Giberson and John Marks Templeton (In fact, given history, I believe that many at Darwin Central would be calling these guys crackpots).

Maybe that is enough context for you...The standard seems much higher when it is the other way around.

309 posted on 12/05/2005 2:42:30 PM PST by pby
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To: pby
Templeton called for research papers in ID, they were that gung-ho. They just had to rethink a bit when a year or more went by and they never got even one.
313 posted on 12/05/2005 2:47:36 PM PST by VadeRetro (Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
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To: pby
Nonsense. Just because I might not agree on everything with a person doesn't mean that I cannot ever agree with him. That's the "strange bedfellows" bit. It's still not quote mining, unless you can demonstrate that PatrickHenry took the words out of context to change their meaning (which is where the "mining" part comes in.
Karl Giberson also states that, "Behe is right, of course, that there are many such complex things in nature that evolution cannot presently explain."

I agree with that statement wholeheartedly. It's true on its face. Doesn't mean that we have to leap to supernatural conclusions.

The standard seems much higher when it is the other way around.

You might want to have that persecution complex checked out. Stop it before it spreads. ;-)

483 posted on 12/05/2005 7:58:27 PM PST by highball ("I find that the harder I work, the more luck I seem to have." -- Thomas Jefferson)
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